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QuoteThanks all....I'm learning a lot.... *** Lots of good points, my last two cents worth drawing from 22 years police and 26 yrs military experience. .45 the ultimate manstopper, but heavy and lots of recoil. The ammo is also expensive. .40 makes up for the most shortcomings of the 9mm,sort of a .45 Lite. Ammo is expensive and sometimes good ammo is hard to find. .380 a nice little round but is sort of a 9mm lite, less stopping power I still prefer the 9mm for casual shooting and home defense. The round has limitations, I've been in real world situations where the round did not penetrate a car door. Addtionally the rounds didn't overpenetrate the houses across the streeteither (no it wasn't me that fired). 9mm is plentiful and relatively cheap=more range time to practice. IMHO the best overall round for a casual/home defense type shooter. I've only talked about semi-autos, I have no experience with .357 auto rounds. One can never go wrong with a .38 or .357 wheelgun, just make sure you don't need more than 6 rounds Good luck! "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Glock Model 19 or 26 9mm, as long as you use hotter ammo. I'd recommend 115 grn Corbon hollow points, they fly at about 1.300 fps. Blazer 9mm for practice, 9mm ammo is cheaper and easier to get. JMHO "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Nothing but avatar envy............. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

I'm with you!! I didn't vote for Obama, but he is MY president and my 5th CIC. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

My point exactly, when you and your friends turn on Mr. Obama, e-mail me your new suggestions for bumper stickers such as: "I voted for Obama and all I got was this shitty president" "I did'nt know change required real leadership" "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help" Well, you may like that one....... Mr. Obama will learn that leadership is a bitch, I think the reason he and 'ole GW had a smooth transition was that REALITY slapped him in the face. I wish Obama much luck, he is a smart guy and hopefully he makes smart decisions. Our lives are linked to his success. Blue Skies "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Shows the typical (lack of) class by some. Good luck in the next four years. When the expectations meet reality in the future you can display more catchy stickers. Meanwhile us grown-ups will be dealing with and solving problems. Let the flaming begin............ "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Why do cat owners freak out over their cat "stuck in a tree"? *** It's funny, we had a cat in tree many years ago, the Fire Department tried, I repeat, TRIED to get that thing out of the tree. The tree was at least 30' high. It scratched the shit of the fine Fireman who attempted to get it. We (the cops) and Fire Dept. said we weren't going to try any more and the cat will come down when it's ready. The friggin' outcry was incredible, they even posted signs around the area saying we didn't care and such over two or three days. I'm a multiple cat owner and I know the thing will come down when it's hungry enough. After two or three days one of our burliest, gruff, pissed-off fireman got a pair of long-shoreman gloves and grabbed that friggin' cat as hard as he could. The cat absolutely freaked, sounded like six cats fighting in an alley.It must have flipped in his hands two or three times down the ladder. The fireman climbs down and throws the cat at it's owner, "here's your goddamn cat", it proceeded to bite and scratch the owner. I was laughing so hard I was crying. I KNOW as a cat lover that cats are stubborn but, when they get hungry enough they will come down. Enough misplaced emotion and the rescuers are the bad guys. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

The answer would be yes and no. http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/169587.pdf (don't know how to make it clicky) It's a lengthy report but covers the bases. In answer to John's original post, the vast majority of line cops favor CCDW. It's administrators and Chiefs that bark the loudest against it. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Ever watched the movie "Shakes the Clown", he (and Robin Williams) took care of those mimes! BTW, Brighton Michigan is a pretty cool small town, free speech not withstanding "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

You're easy, Nerdgirl uses all those pesky facts...... She is my hero......... "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Climate != weather *** That was deep, thanks Doc!!! "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Well duh, We all know where the little head goes the big head follows............ Winning hearts and co........minds........... "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

It's 70 degrees in Cincinnati today, should I invite Al Gore over to discuss my carbon footprint? Or, is this just the natural up and downs of weather? We broke the record today big time, as did many in the midwest. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Holy crap, We agree............... "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

It's funny, I've heard the comparison of Obama to the Chicago political machine as this: The piano player in a whore house, he keeps playing his song, not really knowing whats going on upstairs. He certainly has an idea, but chooses to keep on playing........ "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Exactly, No one ever said the sky was falling. I will predict though the far left will turn on him, followed by the media. I'm sure many will disagree with his Supreme Court picks, those may be the bones thrown to the left to slow down the whine-o-meter...... "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

The next time I dare post anything remotely critical of Obama, I'll make sure the author is properly vetted. I did'nt fail to do anything, you COMPLETELY missed my point. It is a freakin' shame that some of Obama's far-left base MAY start to turn on him BEFORE one day in office. This is one article that contains a theme I've seen lately from various media outlets. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Ya got me, you are just too smart for me...... Uncle, Uncle....... "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Yep, sure isn't moral relativism........... Rummy and ole' Saddam shaking hands has one heck of alot to do with Chicago politics. I blame this whole situation on George Bush!! "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Ah yes, Just a few posts into the thread and moral relativism rears it's left leaning head..... But I guess it may not be a stretch that Saddam may have made it in Chicago politics. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

See, Even MSNBC is turning on him so to speak. Have no fear, Keith Olberman is coming to the rescue.........(maybe) If MSNBC runs anything remotely critical of Obama then the world as we know it may be coming to an end......... "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

'roooby doooo........ what the heck does +1 mean? "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

I don't whine, I don't like those who do. I know my military left from my military right....... Unless I am really hung over......... lol "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

JHC - he hasn't DONE anything yet - he's not even the fucking president yet, how can he possibly have done so much wrong already? I love this shit. Yep, There it is, exactly what I'm talking about. I like the anger, I'm sure it keeps you warm.... He has done nothing wrong, he SEEMS to be doing things right. Take a deep breath........ Let reason prevail "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

I think there may be legit questions about his citizenship however, the supreme court would'nt touch it with a ten foot pole. If there were issues they are in the rear view mirror, talk about unrest if they said he could'nt be president........ "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"