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Not sure about the timing, Cossey was contacted on the 24th, those descriptions are dated 25th... Cossey was also contacted on the 26th. The 26 ft chute was accurate other than the "civilian luxury" part.. Hayden rejected that the description and denied talking to the FBI so it wasn't from him. There are only three ways to get those descriptions.. From Hayden,, he denies talking to the FBI and the description. From Cossey, he was called on the 24th after the chute was found in Reno.. but his description changed from the original description on the 26th. From somebody checking the cards right before the chutes went on the plane.. unlikely because they didn't note the serial numbers. The 26' was correct for #226, but the 28' for the other chute is inconsistent with the 24' on the card for #60-9707.. Maybe, the description was from Cossey on the 24th but got falsely attributed to Hayden.. if so, the 28' came from the same source,, Cossey. Something like, the owner of the chutes was called on the 24th and described the chutes as._____ Cossey claimed he was the owner.. but it was actually Hayden. So, Cossey's description gets attributed to the owner, Hayden.

and if the #60-9707 chute was a 24' as indicated by the card then it wasn't an NB-6.. Cossey was mistaken, he thought the back chutes were going to be taken from Issaquah with the fronts but meanwhile Hayden's back chutes were secured so they told Emrich only to send the fronts. Cossey was contacted the night of the hijacking and told a Pioneer was left so he assumed the chute taken by Cooper was his 28' NB-6... He would have figured out that he was wrong within a day or so but never corrected it,,, He managed to keep the lie going due to the chute confusion.. But because of this they were looking for the wrong chute for over 50 years.

Yup, crazy,, this is what I have been saying for a while.. Cooper must have removed the card from the chute he used,, either he put it in the other chute pocket or somebody found the card on the plane and put it in the pocket.. But, the chute returned to Hayden ended up with the correct #226 card. Cossey really played the FBI and undermined this case.. A 2003 interview.. He was still claiming the back chutes were his from Issaquah and the chute differences were obvious.. Hayden thought they were identical.. We can't rely on Cossey's descriptions at all..

1060 is Lyle Collins Franklin. 1058 is Arthur Durham

Hayden disagreed with the "civilian luxury chute" description so in that context his "identical" comment was referring to them both being military.. The one returned to him was an early 1940's P2,,, old and cheap... It makes sense that he bought the cheapest and minimum emergency chutes for regulations as he never intended to actually use them.. I believe the P2 was both civilian and military... whereas an NB-6 would be military. Based on "civilian luxury" somebody other than Hayden described the chutes.. But, from who or where did those chute descriptions originate.

Hayden disagreed with the chute descriptions in the FBI files and said he never talked to the FBI... Further, Norman emphatically declares that he never spoke directly to the FBI during the parachute delivery nor subsequent investigation, yet, the Bureau’s document claims that their detailed parachute information comes from Norman. Hayden didn't talk to the FBI, he talked to Harrison and Halstad. From Bruce Smith interview.. with Norman and Barry. https://themountainnewswa.net/2011/10/25/db-cooper-case-heats-up-again-with-controversy-over-parachutes/ Harrison called Hayden, but the latter says that he “was too busy” to deliver the chutes himself directly, so he called a taxi and put his two back parachutes into the cab. He gave the cabbie the address for Harrison at Northwest Orient operations and a receipt book for NWO to sign in confirmation of their “rental” of Hayden’s chutes. Barry says he also had called Norman and advised him that NWO had called him looking for back chutes, and that the matter was “hush-hush” and a “matter of life and death.” Barry also said that NWO’s Harrison did not mention the DB Cooper skyjacking specifically, but he soon deduced the actual circumstances by listening to the radio. “This is a luxury chute?” Norman sighed when I read the FBI document to him, clearly refuting this aspect of the Bureau’s characterization of the “chute not-taken.” In addition, Barry supports Norman’s claim that as far as they know, both back chutes were identical. In fact, Norman seemed a bit dismayed about bureaucratic in-accuracies when I read aloud the FBI description of the two back parachutes and their many differences. Since Barry was there with Norman during Bruce's interview, that means the chute info in the FBI files likely came from Harrison and not directly from Hayden. This summary appears to attribute the chute descriptions to Hayden but he denies the accuracy of the description. Either, it never came from Hayden at all or it was passed though Harrison. It did not go directly from Hayden to the FBI. Since, Hayden disagrees with the description, the description must have come from somebody else.

It isn't, it is a p2, it is written on the container. Those are only 24'..

True,, R99 has always said the WSHM is not an NB-6.. He claims it is a 26' container with a 28' canopy.. it isn't. It is a P2... it is printed on it. The p2 is early 1940's and only comes in a B24,, The p2-B-24 is a 24' container originally with a 24' silk chute.. The card indicates it had a 26' canopy since Cossey packed it in May 1971. The reason the container colours are important is because the initial description of Hayden's other chute, the one Cooper used differed from Cossey's description. Initially, Hayden's chute used by Cooper in documents dated November 25th was described as military Olive Drab w tan cotton civilian type harness. Cossey interviewed on November 26th described it as an NB-6 Sage Green Nylon container and Sage Green nylon harness. IMO, Cossey was describing his NB-6 back chute that he thought was taken from Issaquah. Confused yet... who's on first. I never said this case would be easy..

Like the DMV..

No idea what you are referring to.

There are Sage Green NB-6's.. the flap is the design. They were made by different companies using the same design. Hayden's chute left behind is not an NB-6, it is a P2-B24, hard to find info on it but I found the Pioneer P3 called a civilian chute and also supplied to the military.. So, maybe Hayden's P2 was called a civilian chute because it was both civilian and military whereas the other chute was military only. Hayden would not have known that, which is why he disputed the description in the FBI docs calling it a civilian luxury chute. That suggests the description was falsely attributed to Hayden. We don't know the model of container used by Cooper other than it was a Pioneer. Cossey called it an NB-6, it could have been, we just can't use Cossey's description to confirm. Initially, Hayden's chute used by Cooper in documents dated November 25th was described as military Olive Drab w tan cotton civilian type harness. Cossey interviewed on November 26th described it as an NB-6 Sage Green Nylon container and Sage Green nylon harness. IMO, Cossey was describing his back chute he had assumed was taken from Issaquah but was not. Everybody confused yet.. Cossey's actual Cooper replica chute.. Sage Green

This is getting mixed up.. R99 is correct Hayden told Bruce the chutes were similar not identical in response to the description in the FBI files,, one was described as a civilian luxury type chute and one military... Hayden was inferring they were both military and the description in the FBI description was wrong and not from him. The Pioneer back chute that was left behind in the plane by Cooper went back to Hayden then to the Washington Museum is not an NB6, nobody ever claimed it was. It is a Pioneer P2-B-24 container circa 1942, a 24' foot container originally with a 24' silk canopy, later a 26' canopy. This is chute # 226.. The chute container Cooper used was claimed by Cossey to be his NB6.. after being told that a Pioneer was left in the plane, he assumed it was his NB6. There is no evidence it was an NB6. If it is a 24' as some descriptions indicate, it is not an NB6. The fact that both of Hayden's chutes were Pioneers as indicated on the cards proves that Cossey's assumption was wrong.. Let's be clear,, Cossey claimed one was a Pioneer and one an NB6, when he was told a Pioneer was found he claimed the chute Cooper used was the NB6,, but the two packing cards indicate they were both Pioneers. So, Cossey was incorrect.. IMO, Cossey believed his two back chutes were used from Issaquah..a Pioneer and an NB6. They were not. So, Cossey's claim that Cooper used an NB6 is based on his false assumption. We don't know what the model of chute container that Cooper used. It is very unlikely it was an NB6... MAKE: Pioneer Parachute Co. TYPE: Ripstop Conical (24' Steinthal) SERIAL NO: 60-9707 DATE OF MFR: July, 1960 INSPECTED BY: May 21, 1971 by E J Cossey on riggers license number 159638 PACKING CARD: listed Brown Engineering Company, Post Office Box 1436, Patterson, California, 95363.

Well, Cossey was initially describing his chute.. He was told a Pioneer was left behind in the plane and assumed his NB6 was used by Cooper.. Hayden's P2 was bought at a surplus store with the other one,, if the chute Cooper took was a 24' as the card data indicates then it wasn't an NB6/8 as Cossey claimed.

Yes, Hayden's chute left on the plane was never called a NB6/8.. it has been called a civilian luxury chute, a sport chute and a B-4.... It was only the one Cooper used that was called an NB6/8 by Cossey...

Mixed DNA,,

Better side by side images,, 1940 Pioneer P1-B24, 24' container on the right.. Hayden's chute left in the plane now at the Washington Museum.. an early 1940's Pioneer P2-B24 a 24' container. This is the update to the P1 with slight changes.. same size, both 24' containers originally had 24' silk chutes.

Why don't you admit you have no evidence. The chute at the museum is not an NB6..it is not a 28' canopy.. it is a Pioneer P2-B-24, a 24' container with a 26' canopy stuffed in it.

Hayden chute card, 26' canopy You can't compare a seat chute.. There is ZERO evidence Hayden's chute at WSHM is a 28'.. NONE It is a P2,, it says so on it, they are 24 ft containers,, they were early 1940's and originally had silk chutes. It is stuffed with a 26' chute, visually and per the packing card.... making it look slightly bigger. Perspective,, it is small, a Pioneer 24' P2 stuffed with a 26'.. This is a 1940 Pioneer P1-B-24 (label) a 24' container that preceded Hayden's updated early 40's Pioneer P2... same size slightly updated design.. This is also a 24'

The chute returned to Hayden is a Pioneer P2-B-24' container with a 26' chute... not an NB6 Cossey claimed Cooper's chute was the NB6/8 but that is probably not true. Cooper used the 24'.

How do you know. The container is a 24' The card originally written by Cossey says 26' and was repacked twice.. as a 26' Can you even put a 28' in a 24' container??

Well, only two people knew what actually happened,,, If Cooper was caught, maybe some money is missing he could say hey I gave that stew a few packets of cash.. I can only speculate,, but IMO, the narrative does not make sense. Something else is going on.

Can't see your pic, is it the one where she is holding the book... but she has a purse here..

Tina asked for some ransom money, took it then returned it claiming company no tip policy.. not believable.. that is not duress and she would not have taken it in the first place. She suddenly remembered the policy after she took it. After Tina informed Cooper of the no tip policy he tried to tip $19 between all three stews.. not believable.. I don't know what is going on but the narrative is not correct. BTW.. there is a no tip policy.

IMO, the inside edge of the card pocket would be better to test..

In this case it is isn't just a few inconsistencies, elements of the narrative are not believable..