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I doubt that is Emerick... they would have mentioned the chutes. Linn unknowingly grabbed a dummy chute, that description is for the missing chute. Makes no sense. and the entire lengthy 5:10 AM doc was issued in 10 minutes.. nope. Nice try though. My guess is, it was somebody who handled the chutes right before they went on the plane. Somebody viewed the chutes and wrote down a description. and the Hayden description may have been the same source in whole or part (conflated),, that is why it has "civilian luxury" and burp sacks, frayed, etc.. and Hayden disagreed with the description attributed to him. I am not sure exactly what happened but it is not as clear as you guys think,,

Who supplied this description.. prior to 5:10AM Nov 25th

This is the attitude that maintained the status quo in this case for decades... Fortunately for this case, you aren't the arbiter of realty.. You can't take things on "face value" when there is contradictory evidence. Ironically, I took the cigarette stains on the fingers on face value BECAUSE there was NO contradictory evidence and about 5 mentions of it. Here, we have contradictory evidence and testimony... I am consistent, others are not...

No, it still doesn't make sense. "Hayden described" could be through a third party.. it doesn't necessarily mean the agent got the info from Hayden directly.. it could still be misattributed. The problem is that file is a summary, not a transcript. Hayden said he didn't agree with the chute descriptions, the "civilian luxury chute" for chute #1 and that he thought chute #2 was "identical".. and that both were "military".. He essentially denied those descriptions came from him, but agreed chute #1 basically matches. "Civilian luxury chute" suggests somebody is paraphrasing.. Hayden also said he didn't talk directly to FBI agents referring to those descriptions. Hayden is confirmed to have talked to Harrison and Halstad. Chute #2 , 28' size doesn't match the card for the missing chute. Cossey said he was CALLED and asked about the chute Cooper used after the plane landed in Reno. That isn't confirmed in the FBI docs,, who was his initial contact? Were several people trying to contact Cossey? On the 26th Cossey was interviewed in person by the FBI. He must have been contacted before that by phone. When? The FBI was trying to track down Cossey on the 25th... unable to up to at least 3:30. This is where it gets really weird,, A document dated the 25th attributes and ADDS "flat circular" to the initial description of #2 chute.. Where did that come from? It does not match the packing card for the missing chute but does match Cossey's description.. it wasn't in the "Hayden" description. A flat circular is specific and different from a conical, Hayden didn't know parachutes, it was a conical on both cards not a flat circular.. Who added it before Cossey's interview on the 26th. Something just does not add up... Weighing an FBI summary over a witness and conflicting descriptions just doesn't work for me.. Many FBI summaries have errors or are misleading. Something else happened here...

Cossey's formal FBI interview in person on the 26th.. Packing the chutes for Hayden is mentioned... though not attributed to Cossey directly, could have been added by agent. Cossey must have had telephone contact with the FBI before this in person interview..

Not so fast. I am not finished. It still doesn't make sense. You give up too early.. When something doesn't make sense to me, I keep going until it is resolved. Hayden's so called description dated the 25th includes "flat circular" the packing card for the missing chute is a conical,, these are completely different. So, we have both the 28' and type that doesn't match.. This is dated the 25th.. At 2:00 AM Harrison was contacted.. At 2:50 AM it could have been Halstad that was contacted.. That description could have come from or through Haltsad.. Barry Halstad and Norman Hayden have the same number of letters. and somehow "flat circular" got added for the 25th FBI page above. FWW, Cossey claims he got a call after the jet landed in Reno... not two days later.

"burp sack" was a pilot/plane thing not a parachute thing.. putting them in the folds of a chute was just a handy place to have them available. The chutes were emergency bailout rigs for pilots not regular jumper rigs.. Of course both Hayden and Cossey were pilots.

Yes, "cards" and the descriptions are conflated throughout the files. It is easier to catch on a computer with OCR... back then you would have to read all the paper files to catch it. How many agents studied all the files. These FBI files are not conclusions but investigative notes.. probably lots of communication and bureaucratic errors... Sure, they relied on Cossey as the expert,, he packed the chutes, he should have the best knowledge... but Cossey made an incorrect assumption and never corrected it. They should have better documented the chutes and cards right before they went on the plane.. with pictures. Maybe Cooper's chute was found.

As I said, the bottom line is Cossey's description is completely incompatible with the packing card found.. Cossey initially believed all four including his back chutes were about to be taken from Issaquah but Hayden's back chutes were secured and Emrich was informed to only send the two fronts. Cossey still believed his back chutes were used when asked for a description of the missing one he described his chute from Issaquah, not Hayden's. Cossey would have figured out his error but never corrected it. He never gave the FBI his packing records for the Hayden chutes. He even lied and said he gave them all his records.. I can only speculate on Hayden's description,, some of the descriptions appear blended.. but the facts are clear that Cossey's description is incompatible with the card.. What does this mean. The FBI were looking for the wrong chute for over 50 years and rejected some that may have been Cooper's. The FBI trusted Cossey but he was initially mistaken then maintained his error.. Cooper's chute was.. A Pioneer with a 24' ripstop conical Steinthal, July/1960, S/N 60-9707.. likely a similar vintage to Hayden's other chute and NOT an NB6 or modified NB8 container. Likely olive drab green container and cotton tan harness. Canopy may or may not be all white. The FBI had Cooper's chute info but never figured it out.

You are confused. My argument is that Cossey was describing his chute he thought was taken from Issaquah, not Hayden's.. I already said that the size is the only discrepancy for the initial description. Cossey's documented descriptions are completely incompatible with the card.. You seem to still claim Cossey was describing Hayden's chute from memory.. No way. He was describing his own.

That could have come from somebody who saw the chute before it went on the plane. It doesn't make any difference... even if it came from Hayden.. Cossey's description is completely incompatible.

Look, you have this so screwed up.. Cossey claimed it was a modified NB6, calling it an NB8 at times with a 28' chute.. You want to explain how a 24' chute gets into a modified NB6/8.. Cossey is a documented liar... the only NB6/8 source is Cossey. But there are other problems.. the container colour, the harness colour, the chute type (conical on card vs flat circular by Cossey) these are not the same Steinthal, on the card not mentioned by Cossey the size, 24' on card container type NB6 (26' not 24') Cossey claimed he modified it to an NB8 for a 28' and it is also a Pioneer, not mentioned by Cossey in files. The chute left in the plane was referred to as the Pioneer. An NB6 can be a Pioneer but it is telling that it is never mentioned in the files. If it was a "Pioneer NB6", Cossey would have said so. He only called it an NB6 or NB8..

They are barf bags,, a pilot would have them. These are emergency bailout rigs for PILOTS. Barf bags are stuffed in the chute for quick access. Cossey was also a PILOT.

I did find the term used, it is a barf bag..

No, it doesn't, Hayden is actually irrelevant here you are clinging to a strawman.. Bottom line is Cossey's description is completely incompatible with the packing card found.. his later claims that HIS chutes were taken from Issaquah and Emrich's statement about only needing to send the fronts support Cossey's error in believing his chute was taken by Cooper and not Hayden's.. That card is from the chute Cooper took... Cossey was describing his chute he thought Cooper used but didn't.

Nope,, You have distorted what Hayden said and meant creating a false premise.. Hayden was shown the description of the chutes in the files that was attributed to him.. he responded saying he didn't agree with the descriptions and didn't talk to the FBI.. Essentially, he meant that description did not come from him.. he never meant that he never ever talked to the FBI because he also relayed the story about an FBI agent rudely giving him his chute back.. So, clearly he knew he had talked to the FBI later.. He was referring to the initial contact and that is documented to have been with Harrison and Halsted. The term "burp sack" is a throwup bag.. Pilots use it, Cossey was also a pilot. As for the "museum chute" the description is somewhat accurate but they had the chute and it was described to Cossey. They didn't need Cossey for the description, he may not have even given that full description. That chute container is a P2-B-24, Cossey never identified it as such. Hayden would not know what a flat circular chute was and if it was in his pack vs a conical for the other one.. these are different types of chutes... that has to have come from Cossey. So, it isn't just the 28' that is different from the #60-9707 card.. the container colour, the harness colour, the chute type (conical vs flat circular), Steinthal, the size, container type NB6 (26' not 24') and it is also a Pioneer. (Hayden thought they were identical/similar) Hayden was not a parachute expert, he bought cheap old emergency rigs to meet minimum regulations, he was never going to use them. Hayden's second rig a 24' was likely the same vintage as the museum rig and not an NB-6 container.. You can't explain away all these differences claiming Hayden misremembered.. that argument doesn't explain the packing card, it still makes no sense. If Hayden said the chute was a 28' when it was actually a 24' that wouldn't change the wildly different description by Cossey. That 24' card belonged to Hayden's second chute, either there was a third backchute involved somehow or my scenario is close to what actually happened. You have basically three descriptions, the initial, Cossey's and the packing card found missing a back chute.. The most reliable is the packing card.. the initial only differs with the size,, Cossey's differs far more... it is incompatible with the packing card.

Seriously, Cossey forgot the colour,, he used the colour to eliminate found chutes. You have to take all the evidence into consideration to sort this out.. My conclusion is that Hayden's chute taken by Cooper was the one for that 2nd packing card,, a July, 1960 - 24 ft Steinthal conical #60-9707 in a Pioneer container, likely, olive drab green. This back pack differs greatly from both the early description and Cossey's. So, how do we rationalize this within all the evidence we have.. Hayden said he didn't talk to the FBI at that time about the chutes or anything, the files clearly state he talked to Harrison and then Halsted. Hayden vehemently disagreed with the FBI descriptions.. Clearly, the initial descriptions did not come from Hayden... He only bought those chutes to meet a regulatory requirement and never intended to use them. He has also stated he was told the chutes were military and he hadn't looked inside at the canopies.. So, he likely wouldn't have known it was a white flat circular chute.. That description did not come from Hayden.. if it didn't then it could have only come from Cossey or somebody who handled the chute right before they went on the plane. We know Cossey was formally interviewed on the 26th.. but his comments infer that he was called after the plane landed in Reno and given the description of the remaining chute. The FBI were trying to call late on the 24th early 25th.. For a person handling the chutes to give the info in that early description they would have had to have pulled and read the cards,, but this is unlikely because they didn't note the serial numbers.. if they pulled the cards before the chutes went on the plane they would have the serial numbers. So, what happened,, that initial description is from Cossey, the olive drab likely from somebody who handled the chutes.. Somebody talked to Cossey on the 24th or very early 25th, he claimed he was the owner of the chutes and his initial descriptions got mistakenly attributed the actual owner Hayden. That is why both the initial and Cossey's description are noted as 28' not 24'... The chute Cooper used was that 24' Pioneer #60-9707. That card had to be Hayden's missing chute. The chute Cooper used. Cossey legitimately believed HIS back chutes from Issaquah were taken, but Hayden's were secured and used Cossey's weren't sent. Cossey didn't know that when he was contacted and gave the description of HIS chute he thought was used.. There is no other way to explain this.. both 28' descriptions came from Cossey except the initial colour. That was the actual colour of Hayden's 2nd chute #60-9707.

The descriptions are NOT consistent.. Besides the container colour,,, Cossey also said sage green nylon harness whereas the initial description was tan soft cotton harness. Hayden denied the initial description.. only two people could claim they would recognize the chutes,, Cossey or Hayden. Then there is the packing card found....

Cossey doesn't describe the chute left behind directly to the FBI, he does in media and those are in the FBI files. If Cossey had described the chute left behind before he had seen that would confirm he remembered the chutes he packed for Hayden and his description of the chute Cooper used would have credibility. He didn't. The smoking gun.. Cossey's story in 2003,, HIS back chutes were taken from Issaquah and used and Cooper used HIS NB6... Is Cossey making it up,,, No, Emrich was asked to grab two fronts and two backs from Issaquah but Hayden's two back chutes were acquired and Emrich only sent the fronts.. Cossey, had assumed Emrich sent HIS back chutes for Cooper when he was contacted by the FBI and asked to describe the missing chute.. Cossey described HIS chute he believed Cooper used.. Cossey just never corrected the error. The FBI had the packing card for the chute Cooper used but never figured it out because they were relying on Cossey and his description. The result is that for over 50 years the FBI was looking for the wrong chute. The initial description of the chute Cooper used never matched Cossey's description.. Hayden said he never talked to the FBI in the early days.. So, that early description came 3rd hand from somebody who talked to Hayden or somebody who saw the chutes just before they went on the plane. The anomaly is that the early description was 28' and the packing card is a 24'..

No, you miss the nuance here. Before he could have seen them, the chutes left behind were described to Cossey on the 26th, and he described the chute Cooper used.. I am interested in the first detailed description from Cossey of the chute left in the plane, not Cooper's chute. Did Cossey give a detailed description of #226 before he examined it??? I haven't had time to do a deep look yet.. my hunch is he never described chute #226 before he saw it...

Cossey inspected the two chutes left on the plane.. The date of that inspection is not clear. It is important. Was it before his description of back chute #226 that was left behind????

In this version, Cooper asked for "small bills"

There was no problem, the initial plotted map had 1 mile error, it was re-evaluated to a half mile error..

Here, Soderlind indicates all three flight crew felt the "pressure bump" THEN checked the Gauge.. found to have a very significant change. IMO, this makes sense, minor oscillations were normal but there was a rapid increase in oscillations on the needle culminating in an extreme measurement corresponding to a pressure bump.. The "pressure bump" and extreme oscillations were simultaneous. There was no time delay between extreme oscillations and pressure bump.

Cossey had claimed the canopy Cooper used was a "flat circular" but the packing card found in the chute left behind (wrong chute) for #60-9707 stated a "conical".. They are not the same.