FLYJACK
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Are you speaking for Mark now.. So, according to you military didn't use it and according to Mark sport jumpers didn't use it... Not military and not sport jumpers. Is it so rare that no sightly experienced jumper would use that term..
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No, that isn't the right one. I do appreciate you falsely and dishonestly asserting my source of error.
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It wasn't used by skydivers... that is the whole point.. Mark (377) said so.. FACT.. Hahneman was old school military, he used the term. Cooper was old enough to be in WW2 and used the term,, sport jumpers don't use that term. If Cooper was not a sport jumper he was military.. Why is this so hard for you to understand.
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You are a serial liar... Ryan
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I never said that... I said it wasn't exclusive. You are the most dishonest person around...
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I didn't mean the very very first sketch.. Clearly, Rose met with the stews for A.. I didn't say she didn't meet Rose in Minneapolis,, I believe she met with him after the other two did together.. All three met Rose but only two were at the same time. It isn't clear due to redactions but it appears one stew likely Tina met with Rose after the other two.
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Rose said he met with two stews, not three. The files said he met with three. One redacted file indicates that one stew saw the sketch produced by the others.. I believe that third stew was Tina.. Rose met with three but only two at the same time...
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It is true,, Hahneman and Cooper said it.. A front and back is a reserve and main not a bailout rig as Ryan tried to claim.
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Now your arguments make sense... you are wrong. He had some parachute experience.. it was not his first jump. He rejected instructions.. (not believable for a first timer) He knew about D rings. He asked for a "parachute" proper term. He used "front and back" for clarification. He put it on easily as if he had done it before. He was not nervous. He jumped in about 2 minutes after getting to the bottom of the stairs. He rigged the money in a so called "drag bag". He acknowledged chutes were coming from McChord,,, (erroneous from the crew)
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What the... are you talking about.
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I never said it was exclusive.. Nicky you asked your military contact the wrong question... Cooper asked for "front and back", would a sport jumper say that or a WW2 military person say that?
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He was asking for skydiver rigs, not military,, are you sure about that? and I said it was old school terminology not current to 1971... Cooper was probably born in 1920's.. WW2 eligible.
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Rose met with two stews together as he said, the third later viewed the resulting sketch for input.
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So, as usual you are very confused.. Cooper initially demanded 2 "parachutes" that meant 2 sets of 1 back and 1 front.. he clarified and said "front and back chute".. I never said it was exclusive.. that is in your imagination. and I said when Ryan didn't understand that bailout rigs and mains are not the same.. "Asking for a "front and back" is old school military jargon for main and reserve.." which is true.. sport jumpers did not use that term. You and Ryan have twisted things far out of context.
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Alice is the only who said small nose... Alice and Flo made the initial sketch and Tina saw it later. Flo picked out KK5-1 with a large nose and NEVER said the nose was too big. It is never a good idea to have multiple witnesses together. Logiical inference.. Alice came up with the small nose.
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How do you know what happened, you are speaking for Rose now.. It is very bad procedure to have witnesses together... Why didn't Flo say the nose was too large when she picked out KK5-1.. answer: it wasn't.
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Sure, I said it wasn't exclusive... that isn't the point. You keep claiming something opposite to what I already said. You are missing the logic.. Cooper has some parachute experience. CHECK Cooper was either a sport jumper or military. CHECK (smokejumper is more advanced) Cooper used "front and back" CHECK Sport jumpers use "main and reserve" CHECK Hahneman, WW2 military used "front and back" CHECK Conclusion = Cooper was not a sport jumper.. Cooper must have been military.
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KK5-1 had a large nose,, The small nose for sketch A came from Alice..
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It isn't false,, that doesn't mean anything. I specifically said it WASN'T exclusive. You guys are so dishonest... Sport jumpers do not use "fronts and backs" even Mark (377) said that. If sport jumpers didn't use that term who does?? ALIENS If Cooper had jump experience and evidence indicates he did then he was military... not a sport jumper. So, Hahneman military used that term and Cooper most certainly military used that term... aka it is used by military not sport jumpers. I realize you guys don't like inconvenient facts.
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It's the backup JV team.. Still flogging Vordahl.. or Klansnic.. or Skip... or a new one... maybe all were Cooper. Referring to chutes as front and back is not sport parachuting even Mark (377) said so. This is the 90% question... if Cooper had some parachute experience and he wasn't a sport jumper (wrong term), and he wasn't a smokejumper (not high level experience) then where did he get his experience.. Vordahl didn't have military experience.. sounds like confirmation bias.
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Sometimes, I think you guys are not being honest..
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Those are bailout rigs... Sport jumpers use "reserve and mains" not military. Cooper initially asked for two "parachutes",, that meant a set including a front and back. He clarified and said "front and back",, not "reserve and main". Referring to chutes as front and backs is military, not sport jumping.. Since Cooper had some jump experience there are only three ways.. Smokejumper,, he didn't have that much experience. Sport jumper,, he used the wrong term. Military,, he initially used the term "parachute" then clarified "front and back".. military refers to chutes as front and back not reserve and main. Not difficult.
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Can you guys read,,, I just said it isn't exclusive to military. We know Cooper had some parachute experience, the contrast is between a sport jumper and military.. Sport parachutists used "reserves and mains", military used "fronts and backs".. that is the difference.. Hahneman was military he used "fronts and backs"... I guess aliens used some other term....
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I agree with you conclusion, he was not a sport jumper,, but your premise is still wrong, he was being specific. Fronts and backs is military jargon for front reserves and mains.. the fact that he didn't receive what he asked for was not his error.
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Your premise is wrong,, His demand was specific..
