FLYJACK

You're making me laugh now.... Forget everything you think you know. Read those docs I posted very carefully. We have both of Hayden's back chutes in FBI evidence custody 11/26/71, plus the front reserve with cut lines.. Hayden got back the top one, the 26 ft 1957 one that matched the card. The FBI has the other Hayden chute, the 24 ft 1960 Pioneer found on the plane. What did Cooper jump with? You keep saying the Hayden chute,, Well, the FBI had both of them on 11/26/71.

I am referring to the FBI document posted. Not what happened afterward. Both of Hayden's back chutes were in FBI evidence custody plus the cut open reserve chute. You have this all messed up, go noodle it for a while.

You have it mixed up, the lines were not cut from that chute. That is the Hayden back chute. The packing card is correct, it is for the 1957 chute given back to Hayden, it matches the top chute in evidence custody. The other chute in evidence custody is Hayden's other back chute that was left on the plane,, get it. We have both of Hayden's chutes in evidence custody,, Cooper didn't use either of Hayden's chutes. I have found the black hole in the Vortex... it sucks in all logic and reason... Cooper used one of Cossey's chutes, there is no other explanation.

It is a list of in custody evidence. They had both of Hayden's chutes in evidence so both listed, they didn't have the dummy reserve so it wasn't listed. They didn't have Cooper's chute so it isn't listed either. (Cossey's) Both were packed by Cossey on 5/21/71. They have different types and S/N. The 3rd was the chest reserve packed on 9/6/71. The fourth dummy would not have a packing card/requirement. Clearly, they are referring to the two Hayden chutes, the top one is the one he got back, the 1957 26ft type 226. The next one, found on the plane is the 1960 24 ft. So, both are accounted for,, What did Cooper use? Also matches this FBI doc.. the info would have been right on the card.

No, I lost tons of files in an HD crash a couple years back, I looked but only can recall nothing specific to Sauvie, but generally that material was barged from downstream including the Lewis R for erosion mitigation in many areas. I worked on it for a while a few years ago but couldn't get any further than confirming the massive 200,000 cu/yd shore remediation project in 1976/77 right across and upstream from TBAR, beyond that it is speculation. I kept seeing it, one example.. Hahneman was in the 316th.. “Gentlemen, you will be taking part in the largest Airborne Armada ever assembled. The 316th Troop Carrier Group will be sending 72 planes into the air from here. There are thirteen more identical groups just like ours - 72 planes in each group - taking off from different locations. In total, 800 planes will blend mid-air into V-Formation to complete the 2-hour, 51-minute flight to Normandy. Let’s do the job you men have been trained for. Keep the formation tight, and give your troops a good trip to the DZ. Good luck. Let’s go!”

You don't have to believe Cossey to see the issue, the FBI files clearly state the chute and packing card found on the plane at Reno was a 1960 Pioneer back chute 24 ft packed by Cossey May 21/1971. That is one of Hayden's. Hayden received a 1957 26 ft from the FBI. Both are confirmed seperately in the FBI files and the 24ft as found on the plane in Reno. So, we have accounted for both of Hayden's back chutes.. What did Cooper jump with?

also, when researching the C-47 crewman, I kept reading the phrase "do the job" was that a WW2 phrase?

That doc is accurate. If you read it carefully it doesn't say that Cooper received both Hayden chutes. Hayden furnished to Northwest Airlines two backpack chutes. Forget about the front reserves.. We have two Hayden back chutes accounted for.. The 1960 left on the plane in Reno.. and the 1957 returned to him. What did Cooper jump with? this is not a trick question. Cossey claimed Cooper used his customized chute and it came from his house.. everyone thought he was lying, he wasn't. I live in Canada, 2 minutes from the US border.

Cossey claimed the back chutes came from his house.. The 1960 chute left on the plane was a Pioneer back chute. Hayden got his 1957 back chute returned to him, now at the museum, What did Cooper jump with? Both of Hayden's back chutes are accounted for. Cooper could have only jumped with Cossey's back chute. Do the math...

This is really simple.. The back chute left on the plane in Reno was inspected, the card was found, it was packed by Cossey May 21/1971, it was a 1960 24ft. The chute given back to Hayden was packed by Cossey May 21/1971, it was a 1957 26ft. Written right on the card. Cossey claimed to have supplied two chute to Norjak. FBI notes state Cossey owned the chutes. Hayden got the 1957 chute back, the 1960 chute was left on the plane, what did Cooper jump with?

Really.. I did not think of that. thanks, I'll have to dig into it more..

HE? could be correct, possible only four went to SeaTac Airport, but six were collected. They didn't go straight to SeaTac.

Yes, six chutes collected and four given to Cooper. The back chute found on the plane in Reno was a Pioneer 1960 24ft, Hayden received a 1957 26 ft... Cooper didn't use either of Hayden's chutes. You can work out the rest..

It refers to two different Hayden chutes.. In Reno, the 24 ft found was Hayden's 1960. He received his 1957 26 ft. the top one listed. Cossey claimed he gave two back chutes which he owned. They were at his house. I realize four chutes were given to Cooper but for clarity I am ignoring the two front reserve chutes. Just focus on the back chutes. 2 back chutes from Cossey, 2 back chutes from Hayden. four total = 2 front reserves, one was a dummy, Hayden's 1960 24 ft and one of Cossey's chutes delivered to Cooper. Hayden's 1960 24 ft was left on the plane. Cossey's back chute was used by Cooper.

My read of the evidence is there were 4 back chutes gathered, 2 from Cossey and 2 from Hayden,, (ignore the front reserve chutes) Two were sent to Cooper, Hayden's 1960 24ft and one of Cossey's.. Hayden's 1960 24 ft chute was left on the plane. FBI returned Hayden's 1957 26ft chute to him which wasn't sent to Cooper. Cossey never got the unused chute back and Cooper used the other. Advancing this one step,, Cossey claimed he supplied a Pioneer and another customized type.. When Cossey heard that a Pioneer was left on the plane he would have naturally assumed his other chute, the customized one was used by Cooper. If the unused Pioneer was Hayden's then Cossey's assumption may have been wrong. Further, if Cooper used Cossey's Pioneer then all the found chutes/parts shown to Cossey would have been wrongly compared.

More confusion, the cut lines was Cossey's reserve chute... sounds like the FBI was confused or intentionally misleading. The FBI kept it because it was left on the plane, they gave him back the other chute.. that can only mean Cooper jumped with Cossey's chute.

I doubt the 302 is wrong, the size and year are clearly written on the card.. which was noted as found, I doubt the chute was measured. They just wrote down what the card said.. and Hayden's other chute clearly says 1957 26 ft. E. is 26 ft the chute returned to Hayden, never on the plane. the other 24 ft Hayden chute was left on the plane. Cooper didn't use either Hayden chute.

BOOM, I got it figured out.... Cooper took Cossey's back chute not Hayden's. Hayden did supply two back chutes one was given to Cooper and left on the plane but it wasn't the one he got back.. Hayden got back the other chute not given to Cooper. Cossey was correct, Cooper jumped with his back chute. NOT Hayden's. Proof, the unused chute found on the plane was a 1960 model, 24' Pioneer. The one Hayden got back was a 1957, 26' Pioneer. So, there is no way Cooper jumped with the other Hayden chute. It had to be Cossey's.

You don't deserve a comprehensive response, you have completely ignored the evidence. I am not going to waste time disproving something that didn't happen based on your own assumptions. This is nonsense, the FBI flightpath veers E at about 20:12 then turns right about 20:15, exactly as the chase planes describe it did. It is clear you aren't interested in the facts. There is no discussion from there. If you want to argue that a western flightpath is possible then sure anything IS possible but the overwhelming evidence supports the FBI flightpath and only your assumptions support the Western one. Your weak assumptions aren't enough to overcome the FBI evidence.

I always challenge assumptions, a general truism. But you have done it using weak assumptions and ignoring facts and evidence. You have engaged in various logical fallacies to push an alternate flightpath including using the Palmer report as a strawman. I have posted the evidence that destroys your alt flightpath idea. You have some very weak assumptions and poor logic. The FBI flightpath has a veering East around 20:12 and then a turn right exactly as the chase planes described.. a western alternate flightpath doesn't match whatsoever. You continue to ignore the facts.

That still doesn't tell us which chute Cooper got. Hayden did supply two back chutes, one left on the plane he got back. FBI files suggest Cossey owned the chute and it was an NB-6 green. There are several possibilities.. still unresolved. Cossey is mistaken or lying... and The FBI used both of Hayden' back chutes, or The FBI used one of Hayden's and one of Cossey's and Cooper took Cossey's.

Found something interesting.. Finally,, After carefully analyzing the Cooper money in a video in slow motion, I am convinced that the stack has a piece of rubber band attached to the top bill. My theory is that the 3 packets arrived as one bundle, the rubber bands holding the packets together in a bundle deteriorated and the 3 packets slightly separated. The sides of the money packets was completely gone so there is no way the rubber bands were “intact” or “around the packets”, they “crumbled to the touch”.. Downloading and running the video in slow motion it is clear that the object which appears to be a rubber band fragment is under the plastic covering the money attached to the money and not a reflection. The takeaway, The rubber band was one third from the end, that suggests two were used. It appears to be a medium wide rubber band. Some are thinner some thicker. Tom Kaye tested a single narrow band for one packet. Two medium thick rubber bands suggests they were holding a bundle of packets and not individual packets of 100 bills. This is very important as the dominant narrative has been that the packets arrived on TBAR independently and that restricts the means by which they could have arrived. The 3 packets arriving on TBAR as one bundle is a game changer. FBI agent Pringle also claimed the money was from one bundle.

You keep pushing the radical alternate fightpath based on unknown assumptions while ignoring all the evidence for the FBI flightpath. The flightpath was a collaboration from the Air Force, Boeing and NorthWest,, The winds were estimated based on an average between 8-9PM taken at Portland and Salem. Winds around 8 were from the ESE and S. The simplest is that the flightpath is correct. This perfectly matches the FBI flightpath, it doesn't match the western alternate. FBI FILE P 1662 _______ WAS INFORMED BY ___________ PORTLAND AIRPORT, THAT TWO CHASE WHICH PLANES FOLLOWING FIVE MILES BEHIND HIJACKED AIRCRAFT SUDDENLY VEERED TO THE EAST AND THEREAFTER MADE A RIGHT TURN. THE POINT OF THEIR CHANGE OF COURSE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN CLOSE PROXIMITY IN TIME AND LOCATION TO THAT BELIEVED WHERE UNSUB DEPARTED THE PLANE.

There is conflicting info... typical NORJAK Cossey claims all the chutes were his, Hayden claims the back chutes were his and the one left on the plane and returned to him is confirmed to be his.. Hayden's chutes were packed by Cossey. Cossey was used as an expert to eliminate chutes found after NORJAK. Is somebody lying? or assuming.. There is another explanation,, both Hayden and Cossey supplied two back chutes each and only two were given to Cooper. Either both were from Hayden or one from Hayden and one from Cossey... So, which chute did Cooper actually jump with? Hayden believes it was his second (missing) chute and Cossey believed it was his chute. Did the FBI mix this up or are they withholding info??

Found it was most certainly a B-8 parachute... thrown on by the crew for bailouts. Hahneman on the aircrew would have been familiar with the B-8. Cooper used an NB-8, but something has always bothered me.. the chutes belonged to Hayden, packed by Cossey but he claimed he altered the location of the ripcord. Does it make sense that a rigger would modify a ripcord for somebody else's chute? wouldn't that be dangerous?