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The FBI may have Rats "mark your maps" info,, we have a fraction of the files. After 8:13 is possible.. 8:15 is max.. IMO, the "pressure bump" was caused by the first oscillation up. The stairs had max thrust upward from Cooper's weight leaving then diminishing oscillations up and down until achieving an equilibrium. Cooper's jump initiated the oscillations.

Georger, respectfully, you still do not understand this. Carr was wrong.. here is his statement, if you can't even see or admit that this is 100% wrong then you don't grasp the issue.. "The money was packaged in varying amounts, so one bundle would have $500.00 another $1,000.00, there was no uniformity to it. I have been searching for the evidence report from the lab but have not found it yet, lots of files to go through. When I get it you'll be the second to know." I can claim he was wrong because it is clear he was. You keep denying it, do you beleive the above statement is correct? He got it wrong... the money was 3 "groups" of $2000... given to Cooper that way and found on TBAR that way.. So, why did Carr get it wrong,,, because he conflated the meaning of the term "bundle". You still refuse to admit that statement was wrong... until you admit it, you just don't get it. I am not defining the terms, I am clarifying them.. You were pushing the same line Carr had above,,, the 3 TBAR groups of bills were each random counts.. it made no sense. How did money go to Cooper in groups of 100's, get randomized by the bank employee and then get into groups of 100 of bills again on TBAR in the same order given to Cooper? ANSWER, the bundles were randomized not the packets (groups of 100 bills) You guys didn't get it then and you still don't,, you have spent years now attacking me for your own ignorance. When I read Carr's error it made sense. The answer was simple, they bank guy didn't randomize the groups of 100 bills (packets) as you and Carr claimed, he randomized and rubber banded the bundles, the groups of packets. You and Carr had conflated the meaning of the term bundle. The words themselves are irrelevant, the problem is the meanings and their interpretations. Now you are using your own misunderstanding to reject evidence that suggests the TBAR money likely arrived as one single rubber banded bundle.

Rat's comment,, our friend took leave.. is well documented from him but do not appear in the 302's and do not have any time reference. The FDR noted a "blob" at 8:09,, the FDR is right in the tail next to the airstairs. The "pressure bump" was at 8:10 or 8:11 both times are noted. Since those times are not precise and not synchronized.. it is reasonable to conclude that those were the same event. Now, we move to the flightpath. It has an error rate of 1 minute.. Applying the blob and bump with the 1 minute error that puts the sweet spot at between the 8:09 - 8:12 physical marks on the map, about 9 miles long. Those physical marks are not necessarily the exact real time. The problem is the relationship between the FDR time, transcript time and flightpath time, they all have a build in error rate and are not synchronized to each other. We have to find a nexus with three different baselines.

A no-pull body in that area would probably be found by now. It is widely accepted that the time stamps on those transcripts are 1 minute later (plus rounding error) than real time occurrence, the stamp was at the end of the transmission. Generally, deduct 1-2 minutes, even that isn't really precise. The crew feels something, then articulates it then the time is stamped at the end of the transmission. The timestamp will always be later. You'll notice sometimes the FBI says 8:10 and other times 8:11 for the same event.. The search area did go S to Battleground. Merwin and Ariel got the publicity.. Generally, the search area migrated South because of the TBAR money find bias,, it is human nature to try to make it fit.. we all have done it. The Vortex can distort your analysis.. Robert99 and Eric created a new flightpath to make it fit. Some have tried to put the money in the Washougal drainage area. The reality is, nobody knows exactly where Cooper jumped.. it is conjecture... evidence indicates Cooper jumped between 8:09 at the very earliest to 8:15. Anywhere in there is equally valid and outside of that while possible becomes significantly less likely.

A few things to consider,, First, the timestamps are not that accurate, they are entered at the end of a transmission and after the crew has verbalized their "experience" and whole numbers. Those times are probably 1-2 minutes after a reported occurrence. Combine that with a N/S time error on the flightpath map, those time stamps are not exact. So, we are trying to pinpoint a spot using two variables with built in errors. The FBI had all this info and more and put the Southern point at about 8:15 on their map. Here,, the FBI has the pressure bump at 8:10.. no later than 8:15. The hard part is confirming exactly where the plane was at those time. There was a "blob" on the FDR at 8:09. (based on the FDR time different from transcript time) Oscillations vs Pressure Bump... I think the pressure bump was first, stairs go up max thrust after Cooper leaves causing the pressure bump then stairs oscillate in a decreasing swing up and down... but they were very close in time. pressure bump at 8:11?? Cooper would have to jump at 8:18 over Portland to land N side of Columbia R.. we know the wind at Portland. IMO, Cooper would not choose to jump over an urban area like Vancouver and Portland. Pilots stated they saw the lights of Portland and other distinctive lights in the area,, that would include Vancouver's lights... that suggests Cooper jumped N of Vancouver.. I would think that the seeing lights of Portland would include Vancouver. Everybody at some point has considered and tried to put Cooper landing in the Columbia River, but the Spring diatom's negate that.. landing near on land, possible but a body would be found. IMO, 8:15 about Brush Prairie is the farthest S. Yes, the most likely source of the money is from the River,, I have a few theories that put the money into the R, maintain the jump zone, flightpath and Spring diatom constraint. There are probably others.

Lots of them, I haven't kept track. Off the top of may head maybe a dozen... Without Cossey, as sketchy/conflicting as his descriptions were, there is no way to confirm any chutes now. Any chutes found now or in the past are unverifiable and have no evidentiary value.

Brilliant Georger where did you steal that from.. The FBI would know from the serial number if the frag came from the packets Brian found or another 4th packet. We'd probably know if that was the case. And the packet vs bundle is still a mystery to Georger.. he just does not understand the significance. All it does is explain why Carr got it wrong, people used/beleived the term "bundle" to refer to two different things.. Georger is stuck on the words, the issue is the meaning. Carr claimed the 3 "bundles" found were of different counts, they were not. He thought "bundle" meant the "packets".. Get it,, you can call them whatever you want, it doesn't change the fact that Carr was 100% wrong. You need to clearly distinguish a group of 100 bills from a group of groups of 100 bills. Ulis is wrong the FBI files and crew transcripts note that Cooper's initial demand was airstairs lowered in flight. I don't know how Ulis phrased the question to Rataczak or if he remembers accurately. I don't trust Ulis to extract the facts. He probably asked the question vaguely. This is a very nuanced issue and Eric refuses to accept the existence of the files.. Rataczak should be shown the FBI docs and crew transcripts that show Cooper INITIALLY asked for airstairs lowered inflight... but Ulis refuses to acknowledge these docs even exist. The question to RAT isn't if Cooper's initial demand was airstairs lowered on takeoff... that doesn't capture the issue. Rat assumes the question is referring the fact that Cooper was convinced to change to airstairs lowered in flight. You get an answer to the wrong question.. but that is how Ulis rolls. The better question is,, when Cooper made his initial demands the crew transcripts convey airstairs to be lowered IN FLIGHT, did Cooper later change his demand to lowered ON TAKE OFF as the FBI files note before being convinced to lowered IN FLIGHT. The crew transcripts state it before negotiating while conveying Cooper's initial demand.. aft stairs to be lowered after takeoff. This is easier to read,,, HJ initially demanded aft stairs extended after take off. Later fully extended before take off.. Crew advised take off with air stairs down impossible and HJ advised asked if partial... The FBI made it clear... Cooper changed the airstair demand from lowered after takeoff to before. Initial demand noted... airstairs lowered inflight.

Thanks to people like Georger and Ulis I have publicly posted only about 20% of my research... and I have so much stuff I forget what I have already done.. I went back in my files.. Palmer believed the fragments found at depth were deposited by digging actions.. I agree, that is most likely, the digging was sloppy and few frags were found. I found a high resolution image of the fragment found by the FBI and with 5 digits from the serial number plus the letter G matched a Cooper bill. G21056376B was the serial number for the larger bill fragment found by the FBI. It is not in my TBAR bill number list but I have accumulated only 85 out of the roughly 285-300 bills in the three packets. If this bill number was not from the three packets the FBI would know as the FBI had the micro of bills in order. This is not the hi res image.

I am still looking at some aspects of a new theory.. it has a two best options, both are proving impossible to prove. I don't believe Cooper jumped into the Columbia.. based on diatoms and evidence indicates he probably did not jump South of about Brush Prairie, the 8:15 time, based on pilots statements and the oscillations.. Brush Prairie happens to be right on the railroad tracks and within walking distance/time of the Heisson store approx. 11:30 break in.. also next to the same tracks.. that isn't proven to be Cooper but is a bonus.. But, the money was on land for some time before entering the River. Cooper could have lost some money and very rare natural event occurred in Spring that could have introduced a money bundle or maybe more into the Columbia River upstream of TBAR... that event occurred when the TBAR money spot was under water in Spring. The money "in theory" could have come from where Cooper lost it on land or more likely from a place right on the Columbia that I have identified. I have been trying to track down the people associated with that place but after 50 years it is really tough. One of those people could have been Cooper, known Cooper, helped Cooper or found money Cooper lost.

Not necessarily June, could be June but was in Spring. TBAR spot was underwater probably every or most Springs from 72-79..

Palmer,, No evidence that the money was three feet down, it may have been deposited there in digging actions. The evidence suggests that the money most likely arrived as one single rubber banded bundle of packets of 100 bills each... eliminating theories based on the assumption that the money only arrived as 3 separate packets is poor logic. From there, I have several theories and none point to any particular suspect whatsoever. Everyone is open to figure out their own theories. but, theories must fit the evidence. Eric's claim that the money spot was only underwater June 72 and 74 during a high flood is completely false. He just made it up. In June '72 the money spot was about 10-15 feet underwater. The idea that Cooper buries the money next to a River in a remote area when there are far safer areas to bury money then rushes back during a flood to dig it up from far underwater but loses some packets is ridiculous, even for conjecture. Tom's diatom analysis indicates the money was initially exposed to the River in Spring. The money had to be outside the River until a Spring entry into the River. The money was in the same order and form as it was given to Cooper. The money sinks. I would like to know what a bundle actually does on the bottom, some debris remains suspended just off the bottom after sinking. Spring is the seasonal high water flow for the Columbia R. The "FBI" flightpath should be considered accurate within a small error. The 8:11 to 8:15 jump time should be considered accurate. Two unproven variables.. The Heisson store break in. The railroad tracks..

Georger dodges and weaves, spews misinformation... TAKE THE L... Sourpuss.. You are making false claims.. it is your perception that is shifting not my argument or the evidence. I have been saying the same thing the entire time.. and I have always said this does not rely on paper bands vs straps... that is not even relevant but the evidence supports paper bands for packets and rubber bands for bundles. It doesn't even rely on packets vs bundles,, that just explains the error. You can call them lemons and limes if you prefer the conclusion is the same but they are different and need to be defined as such. The conclusion is that the TBAR money most likely arrived as one single bundle... Georger has NOT challenged that conclusion. It does NOT rely on paper/rubber bands or packets/bundles. Georger, as far as I can see, is incapable of processing the issue. He is emotionally invested in being right. I don't recall Georger ever admitting he was wrong. Carr stated... "The money was packaged in varying amounts, so one bundle would have $500.00 another $1,000.00, there was no uniformity to it. I have been searching for the evidence report from the lab but have not found it yet, lots of files to go through. When I get it you'll be the second to know." This is FALSE. Carr was wrong. Georger refuses to acknowledge Carr's obvious error. Georger claims the multiple references of packets (in 100's) in the FBI docs are wrong. Georger claims Himm's money statement is wrong. Georger doesn't seem to accept Pringles statement about the money from a single bundle found on TBAR. Georger claimed Tina's "bank-type bands" actually means rubber bands. She was asked he claimed.. (LIAR) Georger rejects logic. If the bank guy randomized the packets/limes right before going to Cooper (as Carr and Georger claimed) how did the TBAR money get back into the same order in 100's... IT CAN'T. Sounds like Eric's Western Flight Path Placard argument... reject all the evidence and everyone is wrong except Carr who actually made a 100% false claim. Eric claimed as fact that the Placard was from inside NORJAK and the FBI confirmed it, it wasn't and they didn't. What is Georger's argument? I am not sure but he seems to be rejecting all the evidence but putting up no conclusion or argument. Is Georger claiming the packets/lemons were random counts? Is Georger claiming the TBAR money could not have been in paper bands? Is Georger claiming the TBAR money could not have arrived as one bundle/lime? I pointed this out long ago and got trashed by ignorant people. I asked you guys over there to explain it... if the money was given to Cooper in packets/lemons of 100 bills then how did it get into random counts of packets/lemons on TBAR. NOBODY could explain it and several people attacked me for asking that question. The answer was simple. The TBAR packets/lemons were not in random counts, Carr was wrong. Carr had conflated the packets/lemons with bundles/limes... It was NOT the packets/lemons that were made random as Carr believed, It was the bundles/limes that were made random.. The TBAR money was described as found with rubber band frags attached, there is no evidence to indicate if those band frags were from each packet/lemon or from the entire bundle/lime. According to Georger, there is no difference between a group/packet/lemon of 100 bills bank banded or rubber banded.. and a bundle/lime of packets/lemons... The evidence is that the money went to Cooper in packets/lemons of 100 bills each. Those packets/lemons were rubber banded into bundles/limes of a random count. This example, 1 rubber banded bundle of 5 banded packets of 100 bills each. Cooper received packets of 100 bills each rubber banded into bundles of random packet counts. Why is this important...... Georger has really become irrelevant in the Cooper case.. his case knowledge is stale and stuck in 2011. His arguments display poor analysis. Cooper newbies confuse his arrogance with competence. I am using Georger as a foil to advance my argument and the Cooper case. The conventional thinking has been that the TBAR money arrived as 3 separate "packets" which constrains how they could have arrived on TBAR.. In fact, that is an assumption, not a fact. The TBAR analysis has been constrained by an assumption which I argue is very unlikely. It is more likely that the money arrived as one single rubber banded bundle of a number of packets of 100 bills each and theories and analysis should be pursued with that in mind. Georger may not realize it but his ego is restricting the Cooper investigation within a false paradigm. That explains why Georger and a few others have not advanced this case in a decade. Assumptions and errors elevated to fact and used to reject evidence is just poor analysis. Eric Ulis.. Robert99.. Georger..

Georger, you are a serial liar, nothing you claim has any credibility... you should go back to your Unabomber theory. Did you explain Carr's error to Tom... of course you didn't. That's the whole point. You have no idea what the issue really is.. Carr was wrong, that is a fact, you can't even admit that fact. Why should anyone take anything you claim seriously. You don't even have an argument,, what is it? Carr was right? Cooper didn't get the money in 100's which were rubber banded into bundles? The TBAR money only could have landed as three separate "groups of bills"? None of those things are true.. Do you dispute my conclusion that the TBAR money most likely landed as one single bundle? Here is your lying in action, your modus operandi.. "distort, fabricate and misdirection (strawman)" First you selectively misstate Tina's 302... the 302 statement "small packages with bank-type bands around each package." You claimed "she said bands",, that is the distortion. then you claim she meant rubber bands. She was contacted and asked.. that is the fabrication. then you selectively edit the 302 passage to fit your argument. that is the misdirection. You pull this crap all the time. It might fool the Cooper newbies but people who have been around a while know what you are, they avoid you to avoid the hassle. I use you as a foil... Bank-type bands are not rubber bands.. of course your next claim will be that the FBI agents just made it up in the 302's and they made up packets too.... the FBI made it all up but Carr didn't get it wrong when he claimed that the 3 TBAR packets were all different bill counts. Of course he was wrong. Why, he conflated packets and bundles. When he learned that the bundles were made random and rubber banded, he assumed that was the packets. He was wrong and you have been wrong for a decade. Georger's comment. Tina's 302..

Georger,, how do you lie continuously like that.. Are you completely incapable of forming your own argument? Nothing you ever say is accurate. You twist, contort, misrepresent and even manufacture evidence to win an argument.. it is pathetic. You never add anything productive to the case, I only reference you when I have to correct your BS. I never said that paper bands deteriorate in 8 years. It would be about 3 months. Paper bands are not made from the same material as currency.. and the paper bands has nothing to do with fact that the money was in packets of 100 bills.. Carr was wrong, you have been wrong for a decade,, suck it up, take the L and stop lying. The term packet and bundle aren't even the issue,, the issue is that there are two different things, a single group of 100 bills and a group of groups of 100 bills.. Call them lemons and limes if you want,, the point is they are different and you guys mixed them up.. The group of 100 bills (packet) was not in random counts and they were rubber banded into bundles. In Georger's argument a bundle is a group of 100 bills and is also a group of several bundles of 100 bills.. you need to distinguish between these different things to avoid confusion and the bankers do that,, they use the term packet for a group of 100 bills. Funny, Georger can't seem to find a banker who uses the term packet.. even though it is right in multiple Cooper FBI docs..

Georger, you still don't understand the packet/bundle issue. It does not rely on Himm's statement, it does not even rely on the packets being in paper straps. Paper vs rubber bands is irrelevant. I have told you that before. You are just creating a strawman.. because you have no argument. You still ignore Carr's error, he thought that each of the 3 packets was made to a random count... they weren't, he was wrong. It was the bundles of packets. Get it, packets = 100 bills, bundles = a number of packets. Carr confused packets vs bundles. This is so easy to understand even a University Professor can get it. The conclusion is that the money most likely arrived on TBAR as one single rubber banded bundle of a number of packets of 100 bills. I have several theories for how a single bundle got into the River upstream of TBAR during Spring. But, once in the River in Spring the bundle of packets would fan out obtain the diatoms as it sunk.. the suspended bundle gets pushed along the bottom to the spot it was found.. at the time in Spring the water was well above the find spot. The bundle did not wash up onto the water surface or onto the shore, it was deposited to a spot that was effectively the River bottom at the time and became buried there. The normal River level was below the TBAR spot and as the rubber bands holding the bundle of packets together deteriorated the packets separated appearing to be independent. It has been assumed and treated as fact that the money arrived on TBAR as 3 separate packets,,, that is not a fact. The money went to Cooper as a single rubber banded bundle of a random number of packets of 100 bills. The evidence indicates that it is far more likely that the money arrived as one single rubber banded bundle of packets..

Follow up.. The GEOREF updated to include a new small area which was searched with negative results..

CKRET, Carr said.. "The money was then transported by SeaFirst bank security to a Seattle police detective who then drove it to the airport and handed over to NWA. The money was bundled in various counts so that no bundle was the same. Each bundle was secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared the money was hastily gathered." This is correct but it was the bundles (groups of packets) not the individual packets (of 100 bills) CKRET, Carr said.. "The money was packaged in varying amounts, so one bundle would have $500.00 another $1,000.00, there was no uniformity to it. I have been searching for the evidence report from the lab but have not found it yet, lots of files to go through. When I get it you'll be the second to know." This is wrong, Carr confused the bundles (groups of packets) with individual packets (of 100 bills) This is why the terms packets and bundles need to be crystal clear... Carr got them mixed up. When the Bank guy told him the bundles were rubber banded and randomized he was referring to the bundles, not the packets... The packets in rubber bands vs bank bands is a red herring.. we are trying to determine if the TBAR money arrived as one bundle or individually. Because we know the money was given to Cooper in packets of 100 bills and the individual packets were in rubber banded bundles... it is more likely the TBAR money arrived in the same condition, one bundle. The TBAR money arriving as one bundle of multiple packets changes the analysis.

Maybe the first translation was visual and not data driven. The plot would be an estimate within a grid reference.

Georger continues to make false claims.. He claims that my post above is my entire money argument and the basis for my view, it is not, there is much more. Georger often uses this technique to discredit others. By paraphrasing a partial, manipulated or even falsified representation of a contrary view he can more easliy attack it. A straw-manning of sorts, wholly dishonest. He has done this for years...

Eric seems to have thrown in the towel on the Placard, about time. That weakens his Western Flightpath argument to life support status. But he blames the FBI instead of himself for not understanding the information and doing adequate unbiased research,, The FBI investigation was consistent, the Placard was on the outside and could have fallen from any 727. The Sheriff claimed it was from inside while at the same time the FBI rejected that. Eric accepted the opinion of the Sheriff and rejected all the other evidence because it supported his narrative.. Likewise Georger fails to understand the money evidence and clings to perceived inconsistencies.. Those inconsistencies lie with Carr and Georger's perceptions.. not with the evidence. Both Eric and Georger are blaming the FBI for their own inability to properly assess the evidence. Now,, let's do Cooper's initial demand,,, Airstairs lowered inflight.

If the money went to Cooper in packets of 100 bills which were rubber banded into random sized bundles then how did the 3 TBAR packets get separated?? They didn't,, it is more likely the TBAR bundles were from one bundle. FBI Finds one bundle of lootVANCOUVER. Wash. UPl - Only one money bunrdle from the $200.000 hijack ransom given master criminal D.B. Cooper eight years ago has been found, the FBI said Thursday. “It’s all from one bundle,” said John Pringle, assistant special agent in charge of the Seattle FBI office. “We found more bits and pieces, nothing more.: Cooper had been given several "bundles" of money, the agent said. He declined to say how many, adding that “There is certain information known only to us and the hijacker."

7:19 in video Himmelsbach.. Money was given to Cooper strapped in 100's and bundled with rubber bands.. "There were ten thousand twenty dollar bills assembled in straps of a hundred bills to a strap and individual straps held together with rubber bands." FBI,, Bank advised that money was in a random sequence in packets of $2000 (100 bills) and held together with bank bands.

Now I recall,,, I have tens of thousands of docs and pieces of info I am losing track of stuff.. FBI doc confirms GEOREF plotting system.

ARCO (Alaska Airlines) 727 safety card from 1986 WITH the optional emergency release.

The Hick's placard DID NOT come from inside NORJAK. There was NO internal emergency system to pull a red handle.. After the FBI investigated the Hick's placard and had the blueprints from NWA they claimed the placard came from the outside and could have fallen off any passing 727. NO FURTHER INVESTIGATION Eric keeps making the flase claim that the FBI confirmed the placard came from NORJAK, they DID NOT. The Sheriff made that claim and the FBI walked it back. Before the placard find, in June 1978 the NORJAK 727 plane was sold to Piedmont. Piedmont 727 Sept 1978 safety card. NO OPTIONAL EMERGENCY SYSTEM NORJAK plane at RENO Nov 25, 1971, NO OPTIONAL EMERGENCY SYSTEM. Has two decals on the main door. NORJAK did not have any internal emergency system that matches the placard description to "pull red handle".