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Rubber bands become brittle from UV,, they become gummy from oxidization.. The TBAR heat/cold cycle is nonsense.

I found what looks like a piece of rubber band on a top of one of the 12 groups.. These are all different images of the same bill..

I found a video clip of the sled test plane with aft stairs partially down Video.... plane at 43 seconds..

YOU.. a grown man with kids behaving like you did... proud of yourself too. You owe this forum an apology and instead double down like a stubborn narcissist. All I did was agree with the FBI jump time analysis based on my review, you lied and claimed I needed the 8:11 time for some "agenda" paraphrasing but that was BS. That is the same immature tactic Georger uses when he doesn't get his way. Discredit others. You have one opportunity here for redemption, either apologize or don't and confirm that you are a fraud. Otherwise, For now on hence forth you shall be deemed Geoger's mini me,, or miniG.. You decide,, but I am getting back to the case, you bore me.

Apparently you returned, to a place you trashed.. to project. I am embarrassed for you,,, you behaviour was childish,,, making your kids proud are you.

This is fascinating... If this quote from Cossey is true.. it explains everything. Cossey assumed two of his back rigs from Issaquah went to Cooper with the front reserves,,, that explains the sport rig vs NB-8 in the FBI files and ultimately Cossey got the NB6/8 rig taken by Cooper wrong based on an assumption.. the rig left and returned to Hayden was not a freefall rig. It looks like the FBI relying on Cossey has undermined the case entirely. https://uspa.org/p/Article/the-secrets-of-db-cooper-part-one-notorious-flight-305 "Gear Details The evening of the hijacking, Cossey received another call from authorities after the jet landed in Reno, and he then learned what happened to his gear. Cossey explains, “The skydiver staying at the loft had grabbed two of my personal backpacks and two chest packs from the drop zone. One was my B-4 sport rig and the other was my Pioneer NB-8, a Navy emergency chute used for pilots.” Over the phone, Cossey learned that Cooper took his NB-8 pilot emergency backpack and that his freefall rig remained in the aircraft." Later, Cossey told Carr the chutes came from his home.. It all makes sense now,, initially Cossey thought/assumed two of his back chutes were taken from Issaquah and given to Cooper, a sport rig and a custom NB6/8.. as noted in FBI files. Cossey conveyed his description of the chutes to the FBI, later he must have realized his mistake but never admitted it.. Instead his chute story shifted... They were looking for the wrong chute for 50 years.. Cooper must have used.,, MAKE: Pioneer Parachute Co. TYPE: 24' Ripstop Conical SERIAL NO: 60-9707 DATE OF MFR: July, 1960 INSPECTED BY: May 21, 1971 by E J Cossey on riggers license number 159638

You threw an embarrassing childish hissy fit and ran off trashing DZ because I didn't accept your speculative theory which was factually flawed.. To return... Stay classy C... you owe this place an apology. You proud of your behaviour,,, that was Georger level crazy..

The Cooper case attracts its share of stubborn narcissists... The case is both a collaboration and a competition. Like animal farm. In any investigation you need to use speculation as a tool to advance inquiry, of course not all speculation is created equal. Speculation is a personal expression of reason, logic, history and experience... some are better at it than others. I found that Cooper sleuths will use speculation to reject unknowns... that ends intellectual inquiry prematurely. Never reject based on speculation... reject on facts. So, I get pissed when people claim Hahneman isn't Cooper with no evidence or adequate knowledge about him. Neither should they assert he is with inadequate knowledge. The correct position, the unbiased rational position is to be neutral. It isn't yes or no, there is a neutral.. and that same dynamic also exist in most other aspects of the case. I pointed out the problems with money years ago and was trashed and told to shut up by people who didn't see what I saw and turned out to be true. That is a reflection on those people. The Cooper case is really just a very complex logic puzzle.. but we have pieces missing and some that don't even belong. The trick is to realize there is no spoon.

I posted the non star sequence notes above somewhere.. that mistyped C one looks like a typo in the list. In Tosaw's book it is a zero. Yes, looking at stuff again is always a good thing... I even recheck my own stuff. It often gives you more clarity and perspective. One thing I found interesting was to go back to the start of the FBI files and read them again. You see things differently because you have more knowledge than during the first read. Funny, I have so much stuff now that I have caught myself looking for info that I already found... I can't even keep track of it all anymore. Thousands of files and tens of thousands of pages. I have concluded that the list itself is only good to the check SN's and find some unique ones that may be collectible and google them.. The curation of the list is a rats nest.. and its accuracy cannot be 100% verified, but it is all we have. The unprocessed micro given to the FBI was an image of half of the bill in order but included 1500 notes not given to Cooper. The 1500 notes were then incorporated into second bank stash and the FBI also needed that micro to sort out the first one. Problems.. The chain of custody for the bills vs the micro by the bank prior to NORJAK is unverifiable. The process for curating the list was deductive one, not a positive recording. The list is 9998 bills indicating that there was an error in the curating/deduction process. Conclusion, there is no way to confirm the accuracy of the FBI bill list vs the actual bills Cooper received though any errors are likely not material but are theoretically possible.

and Chaucer gets it wrong again... The prep phase did not include opening the packets,, This is the entire enchilada.... the TBAR money was in the same order as the Micro which was made many months before NORJAK.. The individual packets were not randomized by count.. the bundles were. You guys still can't get this straight... A decade of Georger's misinformation just won't die... You guys keep going in circles,,, I got this.

Snow is bringing up stuff I brought up but was trashed for... Brian.. rubber bands turned to powder when he picked them up and there were darkened bills before any FBI analysis. Fact is Kaye found Silver Nitrate, it was used for fingerprinting at the time but has never been confirmed to have been used on the Cooper bills.. Since Brian noted darkening on some bills before the FBI got them therefore not all the darkening was caused by any FBI print analysis. What is odd is that some bills are darkened and others not. Was it specific to one packet? There was an old school method of spraying ransom bills with a Silver Nitrate solution to mark them, they would slowly discolour and be unusable.. https://books.google.ca/books?id=Bew9IOjNCGQC&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=db+cooper+"rubber+bands"++money+tosaw&source=bl&ots=pEA5K6C9T6&sig=dsk6GGaJknQDuiHbjZXZWn3eVYY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiIpOvLnJXeAhWSJXwKHSPtDqIQ6AEwCnoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=db cooper "rubber bands" money tosaw&f=false There are bills and fragments that are darkened that don't make sense. Would they fingerprint a frag like this? doubt it. Here is an odd one, would the FBI apply silver nitrate and miss part of the bill?? another odd one. Another strange one... this darkening does not look consistent with SN fingerprinting.

The site is gone now,, but still in archives,, I started here, it is not complete there are some typos and missing bills. I started with this and used the FBI list to fix it. Early on I was missing a few FBI pages.. It only groups by the year and not alpha numeric.. The years aren't completely broken down, 1969 is ok, 1963 plus 1963A, 1950 plus A,B,C https://web.archive.org/web/20190818215640/http://findmycurrency.com/

I think there were some sequential non star notes here is one set, probably more.. G03072378B, G03072380B, G03072381B I recall that check six had some errors or missing bills.. Shutter is correct, rubber bands breakdown from UV,,, if the money entered the River in a later Spring in say Spring 78-79 the rubber bands would have years of UV exposure. But, who knows..

Yeah, I understand, I have been burned before sharing stuff that is why I limit sharing original work now.. I really don't want it openly distributed, I might have 40 hours in that list over a few years. Let me think about it and see if I have that original file with the errors... it is about 95% correct.

Creating the list was complicated, I found a site with all the numbers but lots of errors and some of the TBAR bills missing. I looked but can't find it as still existing. Then I went through the the FBI list in the FBI files to check and correct. it was a process that took a lot of time.. The star notes are not random throughout, they are all in the first third. Only one after the 3175th bill in sequence and it was a rare 1950 bill. G02520742*, G02520743* I00454621*, I00454622*, I00454629* L00382906*, L00383269*, L00383494* L00422974*, L00423163* Lots more star notes in L bills.. but only the lower numbers L00982844*, L00982845*, L00982878*, L00982879*, L00982881* L01850356*, L01850360*

yup, the rubber band frags existed,, it seems like they turned to powder and disintegrated when handled on the beach. We don't have any credible evidence to support the location of the rubber bands.. But it doesn't matter if they were rubber banded or bank strapped, the only conclusion can be that the money was in packets of 100 and rubber banded into a number of packets per bundle when given to Cooper.

What a bunch of frauds,, Georger was referring to Tina when he lied "She (TINA) said bands, not straps. She (TINA) meant rubber bands. She (TINA) was contacted and asked. And as I have already said so was Mrs Ingram".. Clearly, two different people, the "she" is not "so was Mrs Ingram".. The she was Tina. He now claims both referred to Mrs Ingram. Hey, why not double down. You lied Georger, own it. Eric Ulis claims there was no money missing because they found more bills,, classic Ulis screw up.. they identified more serial numbers from fragments, they didn't find all the other bills. In other words they deciphered more serial numbers from partials, they didn't add all those to the total number of bills. "During handling of the notes by PCGS Currency, 35 additional serial numbers were identified that the FBI had not recorded." That is not the same as discovering unknown bills. Clearly, each of the 280 bills counted by the FBI did not have full serial numbers. https://www.coinworld.com/news/precious-metals/db-cooper-hijack-ransom-notes-collectible.html Tom Kaye worked with Brian way back and Tom Kaye never got any description of the rubber band frags on the money from Brian.. suddenly Brian tells Ulis in detail not heard for 50 years,, BS meter on high. Not only has there never been any confirmation of the band frag locations there is no way each of the three packets had rubber band frags stuck to the top and bottom, the top of one packet was too severely damaged.. the sides of all were obliterated. Brian said they were brittle and fell of when touched, that was it. Was that when he brushed them from the sand and picked them up.. FBI Transcript: "As he did so, the boy turned up three bundles of money wrapped with rubber bands, which was a short distance below the surface of the sand. The boy picked up the money and they looked at it and determined that it had once been $20 bills." "The money was badly decomposed and was held together with rubber bands which were so old they crumbled away immediately upon handling." There were reports that only two packets had rubber band frags. "two of them held together with rubber bands that broke as soon as he handled them, while the third, which was not bound by a rubber band was thinner." It is repeated here. https://books.google.ca/books?id=sNzJyWLqP7MC&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq="brian+ingram"+rubber+bands"&source=bl&ots=F1gVGxA4q2&sig=ACfU3U0AqckSSSVbyvW9a-CvJHlWYpoJ4g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiA9eaZ_bbyAhVYJzQIHepsCLQQ6AF6BAgiEAM#v=onepage&q="brian ingram" rubber bands"&f=false The irony is, it actually doesn't matter if the packets were paper straps or rubber bands... if the money was randomized that could only have been the groups of packets being rubber banded into bundles because we know the packets themselves were not a random count. That means the money went to Cooper in rubber banded bundles of multiple packets, period. Confirmed.. the FBI claimed the money was found in the same order, same form as given to Cooper and from one bundle.

I thought you were leaving and you stay to toss in a backhanded compliment,, thanks, I think. No, I am far better. Eric is a disaster, you've essentially said that yourself.. Now Blevins defending Ulis... makes sense. He stole Sailshaw's suspect and my tie research.. he built a completely false Sheridan narrative.. in the face of obvious contrary evidence. Everybody knows it. I can't even think of anything substantial thing he contributed to the case. He got so many things wrong and embellished evidence over and over.. I knew he was a fraud way back,,, he claimed Sheridan had a numbered account in Singapore based on HIS research of Singapore laws. I found that the law was passed but never enacted by banks.. Uiis was wrong. Fine, everybody gets things wrong and corrects. So, he just changed it to a Swiss account with no evidence.. ZERO. He always maintains his narrative regardless of the facts... The diatoms are in play so Ulis weaves some cray cray burial retrieval nonsense. He claimed the FBI confirmed the placard was from NORJAK to push his WFP, they didn't and it wasn't. Eric is a fraud, a good salesman but a fraud. A clever grifter. You are right, sort of, I have developed three good theories on the TBAR money. None of them identify Cooper though 2 have the potential to lead to an identification but not likely. What those theories do is explain how Cooper could have survived and the money end up on TBAR. That does have value as the FBI shifted to a died in the jump narrative. I treat this case as a big puzzle, We start putting together the pieces in groups from the edges in until we get a picture. Some groups just haven't joined yet.

This is getting ridiculous,, Ulis now claims Brian said rubber band frags on the "front and back bill" (ok vague) and in the center of the bills (never heard that)... First, I don't trust Ulis, he is a serial embellisher.. Second, the bank bands is a red herring, it not material for the packets to have been bank banded. Lets's assume 'for argument" they were in rubber bands.. got it. Now, they still went to Cooper in 100's and were found on TBAR in 100's, the packets were not randomized. the money was in the same order and packaging according to the FBI. AND there is evidence the bundles were randomized. We know it could not have been the packets of 100 so it could have only been the bundles of packets.. So it is inevitable. If the packets were in bank bands or rubber bands the packets must have been rubber banded into bundles of a random count. Either way, same outcome. Ulis and Georger are playing an irrelevant strawman... to advance a nonsequitor argument. It doesn't matter if the packets of 100 were in rubber bands or bank bands,,, the packets were rubber banded into bundles of a random number. That means the TBAR money likely landed as ONE single bundle as it went to Cooper as the FBI confirmed. <<< That is the takeaway... Ulis needs the TBAR separate packet theory to support his narrative. If the the money DID NOT arrived on TBAR as one bundle then it greatly limits the means by which it could arrive. Georger and Carr have had this wrong for a decade... to defend his ego Georger doesn't even understand that the bank bands vs rubber bands are irrelevant to the TBAR one bundle conclusion. For a decade all TBAR theories had to fit the narrative that the TBAR packets could have ONLY arrive independently. THIS IS FALSE.

I never said he got a pass on Cooper, I said I have evidence of very high level intervention on his behalf and I do. This is your problem,,, you make assumptions screw up everything and make false claims about me... Unwinding the misinformation from you is a full time job... and you can't afford my fee. Now, YOU need to admit KC doesn't match the basic Cooper description... it wasn't a tan dude.

Now Georger is blaming me for not knowing exactly what happened to the paper bands after tumbling down a river and being buried for potentially years in the sand. He is still trying run from his decade old error.. As for Tina she was contacted and asked about the bank-style bands, she meant rubber bands, claimed Georger.. OH WAIT GEORGER LIED. Tina was never asked. Georger just made it up.. FRAUD I have three basic theories on TBAR and NONE are suspect specific NONE.

The bills were circulated $20's The latest ransom bill was 1969, printed 5/69 - 9/70... http://www.uspapermoney.info/general/chron_s.html There were no 1969A bills,, 2/71 - 7/71.. That suggests that the bank emergency stash was at least 8-9 months old..

That'd be my guess 3-6 packets per bundle,, randomized is a better term... A packet of 100 is about 0.5" thick... A three packet bundle is only 1.5" thick.

Carr's opinion here is meaningless. Nothing is certain, but with nearly 9700 bills potentially circulating in the US over and over, it is likely one would have been found. I see your treasury guy's 30 years and raise it 10 years... Your Treasury guy's opinion that there is a possibility the bills were not caught at the Treasury when bills are destroyed, that might be true, but that isn't the question. Would none of the 9700 bills be caught circulating throughout the country for years.. Classic Blevins, take an opinion, shift the context and assert it as fact. Arthur L. Friedberg has been a professional numismatist for over 40 years. He has BA in history from George Washington University and an MBA from New York University. His family firm the Coin and Currency Institute is a founding member of the elite International Association of Professional Numismatists (I.A.P.N.). In June of 2001 Arthur was elected President of the Association, the first time in it's 50 year history an American has held that office. He is a lifetime member of the American Numismatic Association, and a member of the prestigious Professional Numismatists Guild since 1977. He's been a consultant to the Money and Medal Programme of the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations in Rome, Italy and has testified as an expert before the United States Senate Banking Committee. Arthur has also authored several books including, Paper Money of the United States, Modern World Coins, and Coins of the Bible. He's a contributor to The Numismatist and Coin World.

I have the 9998 ransom bill list in a searchable spreadsheet. It was a lot of work. Every few months or so I check $20 bills listed on EBAY, people mocked me for it, screw em, I have also selected interesting/collectable bill SN's from the list and googled them.. Funny, I got a perfect SN match, but it was a $1 bill, I never thought they would use the same serial number for different denominations. I have found some $20 bills that were very very close but no matches. There are no start/stop bills in the list and I have identified around 80 TBAR bills, they are distributed fairly random in the list. That is because the FBI list was re-ordered from the random sequence given to Cooper to alpha numeric. Unfortunately, we don't have that original order.