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YES but I'm not paying for time in THAT tunnel ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

How do you hand a firearm to a breast? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

admit it - you're shiftless looking.. c'mon....you know it....loitering and all that ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I agree. "moral" support is so much better than sending their own troops, money, and supplies Outrage should stop plenty of good sharp knives too Outrage ROCKS But I'll wait, maybe 'this time' it'll be different and the rest of the world might, just possibly, stand together on it...... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

The kid 'deserved' a trial for drunk driving and the car accident and whatever the process brought to her. Society did not get the chance to administer it. She also deserved the chance to recover from that and hopefully lead a better life beyond ending it as a drunk driver. She did not get the chance for that also. He deserved a court case and punishment for his actions - he got that. Fortunately for society and that guy, no one just 'decided' to skip the whole 'law' part and take a vigilante stance. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

ISIS has clearly shown themselves for who they are and what they stand for. It will be telling to see which countries stand up to support ending this group. which ones stand to the side. and which ones support them. it'll let us know who is human. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I suspect you mean held accountable for the results. They are already responsible for the actions (or lack of actions) they committed. So in what fashion? And what do you mean by "somewhat"? who else included and to what portions? criminally or legally - who specifically should be taken to court or put in jail? what laws were broken? financially - should they be forced to pay some amount to the instructor's or the girl's family? How about legislatively - should the local legislature install some kind of oversight? or create new laws and retroactively punish specific individuals? How about the city or state come after them for some income just to make a gesture? I'm actually interested in people's thoughts on this, I'm not just busting on you but that type of statement is vague and I wonder what would be actionable..... or is it just a statement that if you owned the range, you'd voluntarily do something even if you don't know what yet, you'd try to 'make it right' somehow with (the family, the girl, society in general.....) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Next step then: 0 - confirmation or proof? once that's in hand.... 1 - U.N. what are we doing about it? 2 - U.S. what are we doing about it? 3 - other governmental orgs and nations, what are we doing about it? lots of other stories about this group and their extreme and animalistic actions - how do we confirm? I'm very interested to see who comes forth and tries to rationalize these type of acts. on these forums or otherwise. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

yes...now the next question. How on earth are they accomplishing that by driving the income stream out of the tax base? SO they fail on both 'terms' don't they. You can call it 'right' or 'left' but it's a double fail. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

the process is important - he did NOT get what he deserved. If he was killed by the courts under due process, then he'd have deserved that. Even if the end result is the same, it's not right sympathy for the father - absolutely. does not change the fact that it's not the process ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Oh yes, everybody can be trusted with a gun. However, what we cannot allow is people seeing a breast. People will absolutely lose it if they see a breast. That shit is dangerous! so this took an odd, though much appreciated turn in the conversation ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Yup - that's why I was making the caviat repeatedly that I'm just talking about the scenario of if he did (or any scenario of that sort).....it's the more interesting discussion Rick's point about pushing with the lights out is specific to the case and about his contribution to the kids getting hit. (and apparently anything after that point in the chain of events). I should have not tied his comment into my hypothetical. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

who said 'blame' or 'fault' I just said he's responsible for whatever he decided to make a decision on. If anything. Stuff like not choosing to turn on hazzard lights, choosing to push instead of wait, etc etc etc are actions they chose for themselves - they simply help define the narrative. As far as fault or blame, that's about verdict or opinion, I won't speak to that. We have plenty of people doing that already. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

People are responsible for their actions: therefore he assumes 100% responsibility for killing the driver. whatever that means (you mean for the kids....he is responsible for creating specific conditions that led up to the accident... which would have been an mitigating factor in the court case of the drunk if it would have gotten to that point just like the drunk was responsible for driving the vehicle, not avoiding the car, driving drunk, etc etc etc) big difference in directly killing someone vs a terrible terrible accident ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Yup - IMO - if the guy 'really needed killing' (I believe there are people that do....), then it's the courts that have to do it. The only reason for a citizen to kill is if it's the last resort of defense of self or others. Or for insurance money. Or for baggage stowage conflicts. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

\ bag fits better - goes in deeper in the bin, especially in two row storage bins - screw the handle thing. Passsenger saving that handle are the ones that have the bag sticking out and thinking if they slam that door just a little harder, maybe this time the door will shut sideways? yeah, there's really no hope to even try to start explaining to them. they are either oblivious, stupid, selfish, lazy or any combo of all those. maybe passengers should be required to play a little Tetris before getting onboard I once saw a business guy take off his suit coat, lay it neatly in the empty bin, then shut the bin door. (Guess which bin my bag was roughly shoved into just after that demonstration?) go ahead, guess. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I don't think we give a pass to a murderer that claims he 'blacked out from rage/grief/jealousy/outrage/social righteousness/etc' and then killed the victim.....why is 'extreme duress' any different? "I'm sorry judge, I was under extreme duress. I was overwhelmed with feelings of 'I really need to kill this guy'. That means I lost control and couldn't help it. Pretty please, I'd like to go home now." ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I would murder people who put the bags in wheels-first instead of wheels last. Edit: I believe observing people loading bags into overhead storage is the NUMBER ONE lesson anyone can take in seeing just how oblivious people are to the entire world around them and to how things work even in very simple scenarios. It's a clear indication that more than half of the population is well below a 100 IQ (despite the definition). ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

my point too - as long as they own their actions, admit to them, and go to jail. As soon as they try to rationalize the act or try to get off, then I blame them, and have zero sympathy. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

You shouldn't be. We don't have all the info. But I assume this is from an assumption that the dad shot the drunk driver. And I'll comment from that assumption.... 1 - Sympathizing with the Dad shouldn't be confused with thinking his actions were legal. Even if I were to think I might just do the same thing, doesn't mean I should assume I should get away with it. We'd all sympathize. So what. 2 - "justice" should be dispensed by the courts. It CANNOT be dispensed by an individual, especially in the heat of the moment. That's not justice, that's revenge. It's not even right vs wrong. It's still wrong as well as illegal. 3 - So the driver (under the assumptions I stated anyway) just killed two people. A third killing, not condoned by the courts (DP) is not the right answer. If the Dad did shoot the driver. then I think two scenarios are in play: 1 = He understands it is not justified but he doesn't care and he considers he's above the law therefore he's not fit for society. 2 = Alternately, if he actually thinks the killing is justified, then he's a hypocrit and he should man up and admit his actions and take the consequences. "Yes, I killed that driver. I'm ready to go to jail" Anyone that thinks the Dad was justified and should get off should equally be very content if the driver's wife then came along and shot the Dad too. I mean she wouldn't have a court case, she'd be outraged over the death and act immediately and without the support of law. (I can't repeat this enough - all this comment would be under the assumption that the Dad killed the guy and even had the most rational-seeming scenario to back it up) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

100% with you here. But I find that's a bad assumption with most of the posters here. Or at least it seems like it. (too bad you have to clarify that point, but I don't assume anything on this forum along those lines any more) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Sorry, making it mandatory for young kids to use weapons is not something I will agree with. I suspect you are arguing against a point never made. His point was it is mandatory in 'his family'. Families (parents) can and should make their own mandatory rules for the kids. I highly doubt the statement was about making it mandatory for everyone regardless of each family's personal preferences. Forcing your personal views on other families is something only the hard right and hard left advocate. that instructor failed that little girl miserably (with poor judgment and even worse instruction) that little girl's parent failed her miserably (by allowing her to train on anything more advanced than a .22 rifle at her age and maturity and physical strength) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I guess you have to first decide - what part of Asia is referenced. Then you have to make an assumption relating that local to religion. regardless, it's a horrible situation wouldn't it be easier to note that 100% of the perpetrators were creepy assholes that need to be locked up ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

(actually in the first post I would also have accepted - look for the hidden camera. you clearly are in a stupid reality secret show) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I strawman the argument as follows: Background: 1 - Hopefully, I'd bring my own shotgun if there was one, AND 2 - If it was loaded, it would be because I loaded it, and if my family was there, I certainly would never leave it unattended and loaded on the table. 3 - Therefore, the presence of a strange shotgun indicates something is amiss and I would have left long ago ..... or at least have unloaded the shotgun and put it in the corner. Option one - leave and find a different cabin - one less weird. That abandoned shotgun is a warning sign. Option two: --I stay and unload the gun--. Well, now it's not useful in the scenario, so now I think my only option with the intruder would be to offer him free health care in order to disorient him for a bit on the application website while my family and I sneak out a window. alternate: I'm not sure what would surprise me more. a sudden crazed intruder, or the mysterious and simultaneous materialization of a loaded shotgun on my table. I might just take a quick photo and upload to facebook....... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants