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I love that this is a debate about who's unhinged factions are running the parties - and it still just falls apart with people pointing at the other team and saying "they suck, we're not so bad" it's the era of picking the lesser of two evils - Kang vs Kodos ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

or - simply a transfer for wealth mechanism for some at the expense of others where we all are told we belong to the first group unless you still think that giving it away will 'reduce' the overall costs for all ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

A legitimate answer is because one was private sector and legal and the other was a nearly criminal abuse of "our" money by a single government official. But mostly because it's a good PR stunt - that's what both parties focus on. Much better than policies and substantial dialogue - which is good for putting most people to sleep. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

When people say that to me I reply immediately totally straight-faced: "Yes there is...T E I M" 8 times out of 10 they look at you somewhat startled, doubt their own knowledge at first, and have to think about it for a second

OH yeah, now you're talking ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

a bit preachy but no issue there - frankly, I'm usually more enthusiastic with the newbie substituting root beer floats, or soda, than beer ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

you do realize that DreamDancer doesn't care - it's not even close to the end game that he wants (destruction of personal wealth at ALL levels poor/middle/rich and the establishment of a pure nanny state) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

we have a married couple here that do that - they ask highly nuanced questions with multiple layers that are pretty much just statements in order to be 'seen' they go back and forth - I believe they are trying to one-up each other - one meeting we counted 9 questions - 5 vs 4 - he won that match ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

"We need to be careful" (that's a zero value added comment) for that matter "zero value add" (just say worthless) "we have to think of of everything....." (any use of absolutes like this is stupid and a waste of time) "implement" vs "turn on" or "cut in" and, of course, 'gotcha' people - these are the ones that go find some obscure tidbit on a topic, and then don't tell anyone about it so they can play that info in high visibility meetings to try and look plugged in and smart. If it's people that make a habit of it, I usually look them in the eye, and say it's new info and then ask them directly and publicly why they chose to not inform the crowd BEFORE the meeting. (People stopped playing that card with me a long time ago). People trying it out that don't have a history at it get a private visit afterwards and free pass the first time. "gotcha" people are closely related to the "didja try" people - example: "didja try correlating that issue to the solar sun spot cycle to see if there's a relationship?" They won't let an issue go until their obscure little idea is closed on. Resource vampires mainly, generating a lot of activity with zero return for the effort. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Wendy is always right. You're always wrong. When you and Wendy agree, the universe implodes you get modeled as a stopped clock. (I think Wendy and I are on the same page about 80% of the time - that's better than about anyone else here for me ) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

apparently our comments are not thread context appropriate ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

They can be found in positions of power and half the country wants to let them do even more for them ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

nope just a dry by anecdote, do what you wish ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Oh good. You're back to rejecting logic and reason and blaming the victim. So a doctor friend of ours noted that he has patients come in and unhealthy and she advises them that if they just lose 40-50 pounds, they might be able to mitigate their sickness and diabetes, etc etc etc. Apparently, they typically decline and just ask for the meds to treat it. They aren't interested in curing themselves, just want the meds. I'm amazed. It must be very frustrating to be a doctor. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I'm NOT changing it. Nope. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

this ^ if people were honest - they'd do exactly that. So clearly this is just stupid PR jockeying ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

"job creators" isn't any different than "job doers" - it's just a different job. I think all income should just be taxed the same. So I'm also critical. Lower tax rates to "encourage" investment is just more social engineering in an area where the market would find its own stability point without the intrusion of government. These guys just really need to stop tweaking all the knobs on the machine. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

this ^ based on your post #3 - Stiletto. But I like UFK22's response - the guys at PD are fantastic and really know their stuff. Do more homework and ask the right guys. I fly my stiletto at about 1.8 - it's a ton of fun and I get decent swoops when I'm so inclined, but if I was serious about swooping, I'd likely switch over and get some coaching on a more appropriate canopy. Not everybody cares to swoop too. So be real sure what YOU want to do because some people only speak to swooping without talking about the rest of the flight experience which be more important to you (or not). ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

analogies are fun - 1 - if the farts just happen, Jolie needs to suck it up - she can't intrude on others any more than they can intrude on her, and rectal plugs are intrusive . (if the posters wife is upset if she sees pornlike cartoons in someone else's logbook - too bad) 2 - if the farters grab her, hold her down and fart in her face - different story (someone directly put the cartoons in her book without permission) direct action vs just the random environment - lines get crossed when it's focused vs just people doing their things. We can't ask someone to change their behavior in general, but we certainly have the right to ask someone to change their behavior towards us (someone obnoxious can/will nuance this a bit, but you get my drift I hope). good conversation, have a good weekend perhaps if Jolie takes up CrW, and minimizes her freestyle participation, she can get used to many different odors ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

absolutely - because neither party would try to leverage something emotional to the voters and try to make something perfectly legal just appear to be distasteful they'd never do that. PR teams never, EVER, spin. you have be a masochist to even think about public office ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Bears? bears can't operate door handles - I'm sure it's racoons, or apes ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

totally different canopies - with different design goals if you say what type of flying you want to do, there's a lot of knowledgable canopy experts here - but asking what's better, is like asking if a hammer or an apple is better - it depends on if you want to smash things or eat something I love my Stiletto, and not a fan of the Katana when I fly it. But if I was a serious swooper, I'd prefer the Katana - FWIW ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

You guys are so easily distracted by sad attempts to turn Biden threads into Palin bashing ooooh - shiny ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

we're all pretty much on the same page in the end (I saw your intent, too, I know you're not callous, I was making a point about respecting others - most PC stuff is just rationalization to avoid respect, IMO) though I don't think it's my business to decide for someone else if they can participate our sport or not Someone comes to the DZ to skydive. All the other stuff should really fall under the category of social interaction. I don't think the DZ is special in having any other assumptions. It's the social circle that defines it, not just the generic fact that it's the DZ. YMMV Case in point - at a big boogie years ago, we had "co-ed" showers. Good fun for anyone that wanted to partake. However, a couple ladies came in and requested nicely that men stay out while they shower (3 ladies, 3 showers so there wasn't anyone waiting extra). A bunch of assholes actually tried to force their way in there because of "whooo hooo, it's a boogie, no rules, adult playground, one guy even mumbled something about "PC Crap" (really), etc etc etc". Do you really think those 3 ladies should just not go to a boogie, or not skydive because that's a few people's ideas of "skydiving culture"? I don't think it's so cut a dried. Maybe personal property respect is minor compared to this example, but I don't do a pin check without asking someone, I don't piss with their stuff unless I "know" they are fine with it. I'm happy to trade pranks with others that I know well enough. Vandalism is simply permanently defacing someone else's property without their permission. It's not vandalism if there is even implied permission (like in your case, or most cases). In the subject case, it's the right word - even if it feels escalatory. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

This reads pretty callous - play MY way, or go away. I don't see anything PC or anti-PC in that. (though I know that's not your intent and it's great you want to make people feel accepted in your own way) I really don't think there's such a thing as a "skydiving culture" (newbies like to think it's a big fun exclusive club but they either leave or grow out of it eventually) - but there's a lot of individuals that skydive though - and they are as varied as the general population. So - Prank and have fun with those that feel the same - that's great. But forcing your brand of play on others that don't feel the same is just an indication that you don't give a shit about that person, rather, you are just doing what makes you feel good at anybody else's expense. Now....if they feel left out of the social circle at that point? well, that's their issue. If you can't take the time to get to know someone enough to figure out their boundaries, I don't see any reason to play pranks on them in the first place. Pranks with friends is great - pranks on strangers is just being an asshole. (Most skydivers I know would pull the prank for fun. If the person didn't appreciate it, they'd just apologize and not do it again. But some would keep doing it anyway. I like to think most of us are the first type of person. Intentions matter at first, it's actions that matter afterward though). I'm not sure where anyone said his wife wouldn't put it aside either - just like no one said these guys kept on doing it after they found out she wasn't agreeable to that type of play) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants