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I don't read it as 'tunnel' time. I read it as merely "very focused and highly effective body flight training" time. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

yes (some from the 'worried group', and a LOT from the 'covering their asses' group) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

It's pretty much SOP, isn't it? - One party cracks a door somewhere and sneakily abuses it for gain. - Then the next party swings the door wide open and overdoes it even worse. - Then each party points at the other and tries to assign blame on the other when both are seriously guilty. (then Kallend and Rush poke each other with pointy sticks) the scary bit is wondering how many doors are already 'cracked open' a bit that we currently don't know about ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

kinda nice of you - my position is they can call my current rigger, or are absolutely welcome to get an inspection at their expense. Or, their rigger can talk to my rigger if they know each other, etc.....If I'm buying a used rig, I pay for the inspection, and I use my guy. I would offer something else - "I advertised that it's in great shape, so your inspection is your choice. But if the inspection proves me wrong and it voids the sale, I'll reimburse the cost of the inspection. Or I'll pay to fix those items prior to you buying it." Of course, now you have to trust the rigger friend of the buyer. It's pretty easy to claim there's a hole in the reserve pilot chute or something just to get another $50 or so off of the sale price..... In this case, you are tipping someone that's doing a favor for someone else......(It might be different if you are using that person as a common friend that's also brokering the sale for you - I've done that before) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Freeflying = Falling faster, I always get that. Physics does apply, even in skydiving Freeflyers = "Pulling lower" = "Smaller Canopies" has always been a couple of weird and incorrect assumption. There is no link at all, except maybe in the egos of the very young in the discipline - you know, those that are really crappy at it and thought it would be cool to skip learning anything else. The Experienced FFers don't seem to make that mistake. Canopy size is not discipline dependent. Pull altitude is even worse since FF breakoff should be higher. Pretty much that's why the poll choices are crap. Low vs high opening is NOT a serious consideration unless you are talking about EXTREME differences in opening altitude intent. (I-Dave: not assuming here you made that connection, just using the quote to trigger this statement - cheers) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

You should probably reread my post, more carefully this time. I stand corrected, you had an "until", and a "then" in there. I'm with you, then. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Let's not forget that fossil fuel use is also subsidized in the US, via tax breaks and hidden costs that must be picked up by the public. Until those subsidizations are eliminated, and fossil fuel consumers are required to pay the entire cost of their fuel and its effects, then I think subsidies for cleaner, renewable energy technologies are justified. agree with no more subsidies for fossil fuel, but the penalties and extra taxes also should be deleted. You lost me with "hidden costs", "and its effects": that's double speak for "gimme your money so I can spend it on my friends" - it's just rationalization for the government to go take another $$$ cut at a non-PC industry. you speak about no subsidies for fossil fuels, but then you want to continue the madness for the next generation of energy - stop perpetuating the madness and pick a position - continuing to do stupid things economically is not a win On whole - you pretty much just went with the 'green' mantra hook line and sinker. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I'm good with that. We only diverge on the whole, subsidize (admit it, it's a version of "gimme to spend on my friends" philosophy) vs letting the smarter energy companies develop it on their own to cash in on the market thingy.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I have no issue with people that say "the environment may or may not be in trouble, let's take the safe road and be smarter about it" My cynicism is the entire AGW complex that states, in essense, "the planet will DIE, gimme your money to spend on random shit for my friends" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

and her sister "Propyl" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I'd think the analogy would match a lot better if the 10,000 studies were in support of the huge money making industry, rather than against it. Or if the 10,000 studies were being leveraged into a bunch of subsidies for new industries or a series of government tax initiatives. But that's just one take on it, I guess. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

pretty simple: 1 - don't open the door (or crack it enough for a pilot chute to accidentally slip under) until you're at an altitude comfy for a main deployment - regardless of what's printed on the back of the plane. 2 - If you bother to open it, then open it all the way. Again, if something sneaks out, you'd rather be pulled out an open door instead of forced through a mostly closed door to the rest of us - shush! they can see the green light just fine ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

That seems highly unlikely. Are you certain you heard that right? Do you have a link to support it? News station said he was 'an admirer' of Manning. I don't know if they reported right either. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I guess that depends on the person. IMHO - I find that the ability to teach is much more important than the content itself. But I'll elaborate and still nod to your point. To my point - I understand your point in that it doesn't hurt if someone has practice on the specifics......But it's not rocket science to prep a Cat jump or teach a first jump course. So - someone that's doesn't get how to teach isn't going to get better with a year of reps, yet someone that knows how to teach in general will likely have a pretty good course in just a few reps. However, I absolutely believe that experience is needed to teach a multitude of different types of people. You need to have a large bucket of different techniques and examples to get through to others. I see so many new instructors try to convey a concept the same way over and over again when the student isn't getting it - like excessive repetitions and just saying it LOUDER will do the job - then complain about the student...... The ability to change perspective and offer up other ways of teaching is essential (and that sometimes means being able to teach something you saw another do, or pull from something you didn't personally experience, but was shared by another instructor)...that's where your point is really made. Someone too young in the sport tends to pull solely from their own experience and only can convey those anecdotes..... It always comes down to we need people with a lot of exposure AND a natural ability to teach as well. So I hate to weigh one against the other, but if I did, I'd have to say that you can go get experience, much harder to learn to empathize enough to teach well. as always, you and I tend to agree as the discussions get clearer ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

SCORE!! This is an option that actually drives IMPROVED air skills that are applicable to the rating. Everything else put out there is really about something not related - no matter how good the points are, they are tangential to the specific proposal. (Even though those discussions should happen also) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I would question this. Other than the Coach course, how often do tunnel instructors get out in the mainstream of skydiving to teach ground preps? I'd invite you to go watch some of the one on one teaching that a personal coach at a tunnel does. I'd also expect a personal trainer to do a good job, a karate instructor, a gymnastics instructor, etc etc etc to a better job teaching ground preps for AFF. (this is really because I don't have a high opinion of the Coach rating or if it's value added - I think being a pro at teaching body mechanics based activities is better by far.) teaching is teaching A belly only flyer should be able to become a decent AFFI. A FF only flyer,....well,,,,I've seen them and they crash and burn in AFF and shouldn't do it. BUT, give me someone that took the effort to learn to be good at both, and I'll put my money on that jumper doing Excellent in the flying portion. And, frankly, someone that recognizes that freefall just involves pushing on air regardless of orientation, and someone that learned a more than one discipline, etc, would have more experience and tools applicable to teaching someone something new - like skydiving. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Negative - "100 jumps" - This is part that takes away from the proposal. If it was just stated - "primarily tunnel trained eval candidates", then the knee jerk response would have been mitigated a lot. The fact that the example is of jumpers that don't even meet the minimum current standards makes the proposal intent easy to question. Positive - Tunnel instructors - 1 - absolutely they should be outstanding flyers 2 - IMHO - this is great background in terms of being able to teach a body based discipline. 3 - I fully expect a tunnel instructor of experience to be tops in class in flying, and one of the top, in general, in the ground work also. Just based on the guys I know at various tunnels. They are already screened for the tunnel job to the same expectations that I'd hope AFF candidates should meet (personality, disposition, friendliness, openness, skill, and observation) I think the proposal's intent focuses on that positive aspect. I also think people are mostly arguing about the negative point that implies (incorrectly) that the proposal is intended to short circuit the real life requirements in place (other than true freefall time). Actually, I think the primary point of most of the objections is just that, in general, it's getting too easy to get the rating. Which is a bit of a divergence from the meat of the proposal. I'd like the course and qual to hold a much higher standard of performance and experience - I'm thrilled if a candidate gets an advantage through excellent preparation in the tunnel for the flying portion. As noted before, I'd like to see it added to the minimums, not in exchange for any. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

The 12 year old D average boy in all of us is chuckling. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Nonsense -

Won't stop the tingly legs crowd - there's three types of deniers: Type I - Obama is the essence of goodness and I'll back up anything and everything he does. With anger and passion. Facts don't matter. Type II - Sure, Obama is doing some wrong stuff, but it's leftovers from the Bush legacy and he's just using those wrong systems that were put in place until he can fix them - for the children. Type III - Sure, Obama is just as bad as the others, but it started with Bush. Obama is just perpetuating the problem, he didn't invent it. Looks like you're a Type IV - I don't trust any of them, but I think it started a long, long time ago and the only solution is to take away the temptation by shrinking the whole darn system a lot. I'm a Type V - I voted for Kodos ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

HA - I didn't know that was you. Well.....you got your answer. See you later (if you want need someone to tack those booties out of the way instead of tape, come by the 'other' DZ this weekend. It'll only take a second. But I bet Mary has some mil-grade nylon thread on site too.) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I saw that list - it's horrible. The "FF Path" is very distinctly defined - with specific skills to sign off, etc. The "Belly Path" is just references to dive pools, etc. Not equivalent at all by listing skills demonstrations that reflect RW levels of expertise. I think 10 minutes with a professional 4-way instructor/competitor and they could have done a really good job on that portion. It also states "Which path do you want to go down?" Crappy - a full body flyer should go down both paths. It's not a choice of one or the other. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

It's so idiotic - you spend 1 minute in freefall with a student the rest of the time is in class, in the plane, at the mockup, etc etc etc there should be a 'time in sport' requirement added AFAIAC, more jumps, more hours FF, AND ADD (not replace) some tunnel time (learning and coaching), and tougher eval jumps - you can't swing a dead cat without hitting handfuls of very young (in sport) AFFIs lately ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

there is no jury - he waived his right to one and will just have the judge rule. Which is probably the most sensible - juries make emotional decisions. he's piece of trash, waiving the jury and admitting guilt to part of the crimes is the best he's done so far ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I don't find this comment to really reflect the image of honor and integrity you are pushing, frankly. I realize you are trying to convey your sense of outrage and the strength of your opinion here and are speaking in hyperbole. But it weakens your argument which would be a good one. 1 - If you caught him in such an act, the honorable thing to do would be to hold him and take him to the authorities. A dishonorable action would be to shoot him - judge, jury, and executioner. 2 - He should be tried in the appropriate court. Sentencing is for the justice system to determine, not random strangers. 3 - Sentencing should be done to address the crimes, not as an example for others (deterrence arguments are a foothold to abusing the justice system as an excuse to give unequal penalties under the law). ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants