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fa·ce·tious /fəˈsēSHəs/ Adjective Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant. Readers must be aware of posters being facetious. They don't really mean it, they're just being flipant to prove a point. i.e. Arming all the kids to end violence for instance. Personally I think they should round up all the single mothers who own AR's when they have idiot kids in the house. Buying guns to"connect with kids" or get kids off the computer and out to the range to socialize with more people is OUTRIGHT STUPID. Ms Lanza is absent any recognition for being a victim.... as SHE WAS THE REASON; not any gun. Most directly connected to the tradegy are blaiming her.

Nicely said. Yes, gun sales explode after these incidents. I’ve read some things that refer to it as “senseless” or “ironic.” As if they see no good reason why people would buy guns because they see guns as a problem. Me? I think it’s because there are actually people out there who want to be able to defend themselves against possible attackers. Some see that as a problem – “More guns to stop guns?” No. It’s “I am seeing that society is where I should take steps to prepare to defend myself.” I am taking on the new track of calling myself “pro choice.” I don’t own a gun (I let the ex-wife have it in the divorce. She wanted it in the first place) but I have no objection to others having them and I think that others should be able to have the 2nd Amendment protections if they want. Rather than compelling all persons to own weapons or denying all persons weapons, I believe that each person should be given the choice of whether they wish to purchase a firearm. People buy what they might not be able to get in the future. Has little to do with defense. Plus, I suspect people are banking on reselling at a higher price so profit could be the motive too. What I wonder is Transfers. Will they ban be for sale of new AR only? If they ban possession, then anyone that has one just lost their investment. Hopefully they'll grandfather existing supply and allow transfers of used ARs. If not, when you die your gun goes in the trash. No transfer to heirs, or no estate sale. We'll see how the public feels once the proposal published.

My 1000fps pellet gun is pretty loud. .22's seemed to be louder than 38. .22 have a sharper sound louder thatn what most think. I wonder if people are aware you don't even need FFL for .60 two barrel MZ pistol. Howdah. Loaded with ball and shot would be pretty devastating. Much like sawed off which are illegal to possess.

Sensible gun owners can't even get to guns and ammo in the house to thwart a perp. Besides it would be much more fun taking off body parts with the samari sword. No sense waking the neighbors with gun shots. (google Johns Hopkins student and samari sword on perp) Beautifully done and no ticket since gun wasn't used for self defense, which he would have gotten considering state laws. Yes we own 6000 grit steel polishing stones

You are right, you won't. Nothing is 100% effective. Or he would have hidden himself away from a schoolyard and picked them off on recess. Or one of many other options. Like you said, nothing is 100% effective, neither on the prevention or the "treatment" side. In my opinion efforts on the preventative side are worth more than on the "treatment" side. I know others will disagree. No, it would be hard to argue with effective preventative actions So why not do both We wear a reserve We practice our EPs to use it One would think you'd start at points of entry, and access, not arm teachers. When kids are already bouncing off the walls having to deal with a side arm is a pretty dumb idea. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jennieturcios/2907401412/

OH, must have gotten the word fish have mercury. Eagle snatches baby. Unbelievable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE0Q904gtMI

Well there's some first steps. They took the kid who brought the .22 to school to clink for mental evualation. I see mental health becoming more involved and courts dealing the adjudication of mental health and constitutional rights and you can't have your rights taken unless your found mentally ill. With the pharm industry push to have all of us on a $40/ month supply of medicine, it won't be long that we all have an illness. It's just a matter of sorting out what illness constitutes loss of rights. The institution construction industry is salivating.

XBOX, Pills, two working parents, Internet access, unsecured loaded guns= recepie for disaster. Kids use to play outside. When they were in the house they use to play musical instruments or board games. Now they are sitting on sofas, drinking caffine drinks and killing millions of people on XBOX. I blaim Bill Gates for inventing the personal computer. It's gone down hill since DOS Sometime back there was a lot of emphasis on the "blossoming of the fig tree" as a sign of the end times. Most interpreted that Scripture as when Israel became a nation i.e., 1948. Ironically, that same time period is when great advancement was made in computer development i.e., transistors. Are these coincidences or eschatological development of Scripture? Development of SMS is also a problem. People don't even talk to each other they're typing back and forth. The younger generation can't even carry on a conversation. Disintegration of society as people have lost social skills and how to communicate with each other. Bell created PHONE for a reason. But now we're going backwards typing over the phone line? Voice to Text might help and that's around the corner, especially since keyboards will follow mouse demise.

I'm working on the design for a new school in LA right now and we're REQUIRED to include metal detectors, as well as designing the layout and shape of the school itself to control student movements so that the pupils can be easily screened at entry points. We've also had to consider emergency lock-down doors in classrooms and 'Incident Protocols'. We're deliberately designing schools right now in the expectation that that this will happen again. Think about that for a second. I've worked on school designs all over the world and nowhere has the same constraints and personally I think it's a tragic reflection of American society. You may have personal freedom, but it infringes on other freedoms - what about students freedoms not to go to school in a military camp? In other news: 11- Year old boy brings gun to school - says it's 'to protect himself and friends from another Conetticut style incident SUUUURE. There's no problem with guns in the states. Edit: I really wish people would get off the alternative 'car accident' arguments. It's a strawman argument. The two aren't related. You could solve both independently (and should!) as they both need different measures. It's not a case of having one or the other! Why not say 'well, guns only kill x hundred people a year - poverty and starvation kills millions! We need to fix that first!' Around here, 50 percent of the kids eventually end up in jail so why not design schools like jails. When they finally get to jail it will look familar! This is still an overpopulation problem/ More schools=more targets. More kids=more nutjobs. Your're just trollin now aren't ya OH, what am i thinking. A school is much like a jail anyway. Classrooms have one entry point, sinks, much like a cell but lacking a toilet. This is the reason its so easy for shooter to go from classroom to class room once the main entry point is breeched. And during class, no one is in the hall. PUT THE MAIN ENTRANCE AT THE GYM. ALL PEOPLE HAVE TO WALK THORUGH THE GYM TO GET TO the offices, then to the cell block, class rooms. Populate the gym with a few people at the back side of the gym. Plenety of time then to lock the back internal gym door. I agree, schools need new design features. This idea you walk in, turn left and go down the hall with classrooms on both side without even passing the office has to go. (In the instance of where my kids went to elementary school.)

As one who worked in the field of mental health, I see that area as the social segment requiring attention. Roslyn Carter, the president's wife, changed the rules for mental institutions. Now a major portion of our homeless are mentally ill. I worked and still live in FL. Some years back a patient at a psychiatric hospital in Arcadia amputated both of his hands with a band saw. It was supposed to be a protest action. Now we have one state funded psychiatric hospital up in north FL. The practice is to assimilate the mentally ill back into society ASAP. They are medicated into control and passivity. Generally, the first thing a mental patient does when free is to stop taking their meds. In my career span I had several client suicides from drug overdose. One client murdered a man on the street. He stabbed the man to death. Another client in my area but not mine, decapitated a former girlfriend's new lover and stuck his head on the ornament of his Mercedes. The guns are not the problem. We need to examine our attitudes, policies and procedures concerning mental illness. XBOX, Pills, two working parents, Internet access, unsecured loaded guns= recepie for disaster. Kids use to play outside. When they were in the house they use to play musical instruments or board games. Now they are sitting on sofas, drinking caffine drinks and killing millions of people on XBOX. I blaim Bill Gates for inventing the personal computer. It's gone down hill since DOS

I'm working on the design for a new school in LA right now and we're REQUIRED to include metal detectors, as well as designing the layout and shape of the school itself to control student movements so that the pupils can be easily screened at entry points. We've also had to consider emergency lock-down doors in classrooms and 'Incident Protocols'. We're deliberately designing schools right now in the expectation that that this will happen again. Think about that for a second. I've worked on school designs all over the world and nowhere has the same constraints and personally I think it's a tragic reflection of American society. You may have personal freedom, but it infringes on other freedoms - what about students freedoms not to go to school in a military camp? In other news: 11- Year old boy brings gun to school - says it's 'to protect himself and friends from another Conetticut style incident SUUUURE. There's no problem with guns in the states. Edit: I really wish people would get off the alternative 'car accident' arguments. It's a strawman argument. The two aren't related. You could solve both independently (and should!) as they both need different measures. It's not a case of having one or the other! Why not say 'well, guns only kill x hundred people a year - poverty and starvation kills millions! We need to fix that first!' Around here, 50 percent of the kids eventually end up in jail so why not design schools like jails. When they finally get to jail it will look familar! This is still an overpopulation problem/ More schools=more targets. More kids=more nutjobs.

A decrease in population is our only hope. Less fingers, less fingers on triggers, less polution, less soil erosion, less disease, less water depletion, less deforestation and the list goes on. There's just too many people. When the baby boomers die, millions of guns will hit the trash heap as there will be less people who want them, especially when bullets are $5 each. Google lemings.

I enjoy reading these arguments. Less guns= less death by guns etc. Guns are hunks of metal (plastic) whatever and are benign. You could have a trillion Glocks in Arkansas but if no one lived in Arkansas there wouldn't be any gun deaths there, unless of course a person, or two from outside the state went into Arkansas and used one of the guns to killl themselve or their passenger in the Buick while in Arkansas You must count the number of guns per capita, number of people, number of suicides by gun, number of accidents by guns and make your comparisions etc that this study is lacking. Number of guns vs death by gun. And whether or not gun clubbing deaths, not shooting by gun is a consideration. Fact of the matter is: CARS are more deadly than guns, yet I don't see any car banning in the future.

[reply I suspect it would be ideal for the tto have social settings within the church or other local community organizations (sports teams, for ex) for it to work best. Come on Ian, tell Kelpie how you feel about church social settings working best for ya.

I've always talked facts. Too late: that should have been done first, but I thought you knew what was meant by home schooling: NOT IN THE CLASS ROOM. From your definition we are all home schooled if not in a school?.

I agree.

Change the subject when discovered you were wrong.

You must be all over this forum posting notes that you are loosing track of your conversations. You mentioned Einstein as and example of a successful person who was homeschooled. Fact of the matter is: he WASN"T HOME SCHOOLED. So much for being a home school teacher who tries to make a point using a bogus illustration. So good, now you've offered one. But most successful people had formal education.

He wasn't home schooled. He's not an example of a successful person who was home schooled. Have any real examples?

Huh? I never claimed to vacation with other families. I did say that we augment socializing with immersing our child in other cultures (as much as one can for a few weeks at a time). This includes playing with, and spending time with, children from all over the world. There's your problem! You don't understand homeschooling no matter how many times it's explained. You realize Albert Einstein was homeschooled, right? That's a pretty lofty claim. Ian We started our kids a year later too as Einstein's parents did, or what happened, as that gave our kids an edge. But Einstein was not home schooled. He was smarter than his parents and thus needed advanced education that SCHOOLS PROVIDED. No wonder we have problems: its the PARENTS! Can you teach your precocious ten year old oxidation reduction problems, calc? If they need taught that if they're so bright? If not, what are you going to do, HOLD THEM BACK, just because you don't want them in a class room. So you are planning on not haveing gifted kids? The idea you think home schooling will produce Einstiens you're pretty naive. Here info on Albert: He attended traditional schools for most of his young life. The only 2 exceptions are: 1. He did not attend school until he was 6 1/2, at which point he started in 2nd grade. 2. When he was 15, he left school on December 29 to join his parents who had moved away in June. He started attending school again on October 26 of the following year. THIS DOES NOT CONSTITUTE HOMESCHOOLING of Einstein.

There's no disconnect between languages. It a result of an overstressed world that is attempting to rid itself of the stress it feels. Lemming Theory There's simply too many people and society is out of control, especailly with all the failed marriages (mini social units) and atheiests, who do home schooling where morals and integredity are decayed. For god sakes with as much football on TV, and those watching it, you know were heading back to tribalism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming

I 100% agree. Nope. Wrong, again. Look, it doesn't matter how many times you ignore the fact that homeschooling can be, and often is, done in a group - it's still the way it is. Definitely. As are they in homeschool, at extra curricular activities (gymnastics in our case), kids at the dropzone, with the other neighborhood kids, and (in our case) as they travel the world with us (insert shock and awe here). I honestly think you have this *idea* in your head of what homeschooling is, and you just cannot conceive that it's often something very different. I also acknowledge that there are homeschoolers who isolate their children from the world, and don't educate them properly, or give them misinformation. Again, education system doesn't dictate good or bad parenting. In the end if you fell all homeschooling is that way, that's fine (although misguided IMO) - I'm going to continue to do what I think is best for my children, just like one day when you're a parent I'm sure you'll do for yours. Ian Also, taking vacations with other families whose kids are in elementary school when elementary or high school is on vacation has no bearing on this discussion. We're talking socialization in a classroom at school vs. on the sofa at home. My kids would trounce any home schooler- they're getting invited to do TS work and their not even out of college yet. Honors, top of the class and nearly perfect scores on test- Horrah for public education!

I 100% agree. Nope. Wrong, again. Look, it doesn't matter how many times you ignore the fact that homeschooling can be, and often is, done in a group - it's still the way it is. Definitely. As are they in homeschool, at extra curricular activities (gymnastics in our case), kids at the dropzone, with the other neighborhood kids, and (in our case) as they travel the world with us (insert shock and awe here). I honestly think you have this *idea* in your head of what homeschooling is, and you just cannot conceive that it's often something very different. I also acknowledge that there are homeschoolers who isolate their children from the world, and don't educate them properly, or give them misinformation. Again, education system doesn't dictate good or bad parenting. In the end if you fell all homeschooling is that way, that's fine (although misguided IMO) - I'm going to continue to do what I think is best for my children, just like one day when you're a parent I'm sure you'll do for yours. Ian OH I know how different it must be, not only for the kid, but also the immense burden for the parent to deliver not only the required or NECESSARY instruction to his kid at home, but the attempt to socialize the child as they'd be socialized in an elementary school must be daunting! So your child can do Algebra in 5th grade as some do. Do you know advanced math well enough to teach your child advanced math? If not, child goes without opportunity. The fact remains: if kids are home alone with MOM, or a DAD, or MOM & DAD, MOM AND DAD AND GRANDMA, or UNCLE TOMMIE, they are not with their peers in a structured class room environment where not only do they have to perform for a teacher they must keep up with peers--something you can't provide. The opportunity for you kid to debate another kid, tell another kid to stop it, or bug off, coping skills with other kids, having to adhear to policy like your child will have to do once they get out from your control, is lost. Being the elementary school is a huge burden IMHO. Besides your tax dollar pay for all the expertise why not use it? I agree, raise your kids any way you want. But the more they are sheltered, once they learn how they were sheltered: you're the enemy.

I wonder what your personal definition of "properly" is. How many kids do you have? Perhaps I should have eliminated the the word properly and just used socialization. If they are at home they're not getting socialized with their peers. If they are in school they're getting socialized. Not gaining socialization with peers is not a good thing. Socialization with peers outside the school setting is not the same as in-school socialization. Like how you were socialized you say by participating in groups outside of school. If your wife was a former elementary school teacher she should know this. It's not what you think you are teaching your kids, it's what they learn on their own. Your child will never ever learn how to deal with a bully, a nice person, a back stabber, if you're not letting them in society to learn on their own, at 5yr, 6yr old etc. So they'll have hard coping skills as an adult perhaps. Somethings you can't teach, especially in a home school setting.