mrshutter45

I'm glad to see the Washington State History Museum is not accepting anything from known suspects. that's the way it should be. some people are doing it for the advertising. the exhibit is about DB Cooper, not Cooper wannabee's or people trying to saturate the public with circumstantial evidence. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

The phrase in the letter "system that beats the system" was not a word by word cut and paste. The entire phrase appeared in an ad for KLH stereo gear. Doesn't prove anything one way or the other. Al Di's detective work on those Playboy magazines is amazing to me. Wonder who he really is. That bit of fabric pulled out of Normans rig is ripstop and is the right color for a USN 26ft conical, a VERY good canopy. My first emergency cutaway was from a malfunctioning surplus C9 main. I popped my $25 USN 26 ft conical reserve. Boy was I grateful to see that dirt cheap reserve open perfectly. It's obsolete now but I still have it. I showed it to my kids and told them that if it had failed they never would have been born. They were duly impressed. The WA museum exhibit looks like it will be very good. Snow corrected one of their display cards which erroneously identified a chest reserve container as an NB 6 "bag". I wish Q would let Snow return. It's been years. Enough time served. I still wonder why the FBI insisted on a subsequent DNA sample from Sheridan if he had a solid Nepal alibi. Maybe they had their doubts about the Alibi. Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan. 377 I have my doubts about the letters but, if Eng. has been discussing this with 60 emails (according to Bruce) one would think they would test the letters against what they already have? it's not going to put the Country any further in debt. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

The PI Cooper transcripts are 99 pages long and identical to those on Sluggo's web page. There is no obvious information on Sluggo's page about when he obtained the transcripts and/or their source. On August 20, 2008, the FBI sent a FAX to someone, presumably Sluggo, that was 17 pages long. Pages 001/017 thru 007/017 are now known as the "FBI Notes" and are not duplicated anywhere else outside the FBI to my knowledge. Pages 008/017 thru 017/017 are two separate and identical sections of the PI and Sluggo transcripts. So it appears that the PI had access to everything that is now in the "public domain" except the "FBI Notes". Robert99 I would gather he got the transcripts from Carr. he explains this on the bottoms of the sectional charts. correction: the maps were obtained thru Carr, so I would guess the transcripts came from him as well. still over heated from a very hot day update: I went to his site and found that page was created on May 5, 2008. it was updated/revised on April 20, 2010. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Yep, this was posted a couple months ago. I made a comment that he looks like the guy from Seinfeld Jason Alexander a good computer animation would work just as good. check out Bruce Lee done by a computer in 3D. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

If it is the ORIGINAL one - how come my NO is written on IT!. You did NOT get that map with the NO on it from Sluggo. you mean like this one from Sluggo? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, the map Sluggo uses is the same map the FBI has. I attached the FBI map from there own site. the map is a navigational chart, not a population chart. you must be mixing something up. the path shows plenty of angles Rataczak could of seen Vancouver if the clouds allowed it. if you can't understand these maps, how do you defend what you think you see? perhaps Sluggo made his own map and discoveries as to where Cooper jumped. I don't know, but the maps he supplied on his site were taken from the original 1971 FBI chart. if I'm incorrect someone clue me in on this please. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

yep, seems the "OVER NINE HUNDRED FILTHY-ASS COMMENTS" has now taken over the KC top 10,15,20,25 list. over and over the record goes. might I suggest going to Homeland Security and really get down to the bottom of this amazing mystery. perhaps Rataczak could give some answers. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

That is the FBI map Jo. Sluggo put an overlay on his map. a green line with dots on it was from Sluggo. (see photo) was it Vancouver or Portland Rataczak says? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Shutter, Let me expand a bit on this subject. On the hijacked flight from Portland to Seattle, there seems to be no mention of icing until the airliner starts holding northwest of Seattle at the Lofall Intersection. As they were flying their designated holding pattern, they would pass through a small cloudy area and the crew told the controllers that they were picking up ice in those clouds. So the controllers modified the holding pattern to keep the airliner out of the clouds. While on the ground in Seattle, the crew was told that icing was predicted at the altitude they would be flying at but that it would be well south of Portland. As I understand it, they did experience icing south of Portland and that is what Rataczak was talking about. In the free atmosphere, icing depends primarily on the temperature and normally requires "visible" moisture. But along comes the airliner and as the air passes over the wings, which are designed to accelerate the air (and actually have to in order to produce lift), and as the speed over the wings increases, the temperature decreases, the humidity increases, and ice can form on the wings. It is all an interplay of various factors. Generally, wing icing takes place over the forward portion of the wing. Modern airliners have electric deicers built into the leading portion of the wings. But they are not magic. In some instances, the deicers can melt the ice on the forward portion of the wing, the water then runs to the rear portion of the wing, and refreezes there. To repeat, there are a lot of variables involved in this. Deicers are also used on the leading edges of the engine nacelles. These deicers may be used continuously from engine start to engine shut down. The point is that you can not have ice cubes going through the turbine engines if you are interested in staying in the air. Even if you make it home, a few ice cubes can do millions of dollars damage to a turbine engine. In the case of NWA 305, the best solution for their icing problem on the way to Reno would have been for the cockpit crew to put on their oxygen masks (they have a special system of their own for oxygen) and then climb above the icing conditions. FOR JO WEBER: Jo, if Duane had some rusted metal "parachute" equipment, then it probably didn't have anything to do with parachutes. The vast majority of the metal used in the parachute and its components is stainless steel and doesn't rust generally (I don't know what would happen if you put it into something such as battery acid). Robert99 well said. my point to Jo was the fact of the icing wasn't really a danger at the points they were brought up. this is why I asked Blevins where icing occurs, low or high altitudes. as you mentioned you would go up and not down to correct. I'm fairly new at this section. that's why I asked you for validation. I need my thumbs for work. must be hard missing them as a writer/leading Cooper investigator not referring to you of course "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Uhhhhh really DUUUUUDE???? You know, usually I'm pretty polite. Usually. But I've had to sit here and *virtually* listen to one unnecessary insult after another. Much of it based on litlle or nothing. So, whether I was right or wrong about the icing, I decided it was time for someone else to understand what that is like. Nobody enjoyed reading that, did they? Nobody thought it was a 'good post', did they? And they would be right. Doesn't feel that great sometimes when the shoe is on the other foot... That's your excuse? pretty lame wouldn't you say? your problem with Georger once again has nothing to do with the comment made to smokin99. you were completely out of line stating what you said. period. you being wrong about the icing has everything to do with it. you were missing the knowledge to even make that statement. I'm still waiting on the common sense you boldly express all the time. Shame On You Duuuude! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

this map I have now points things out for you. take note of the blue square. this is one place Rataczak could see Portland out the right window. I'll take my new simulator up and take a photo of this area to show you since you can't see video's. I don't have the 727 package for it yet, so I have to take a different plane up, but will be the same for this type of project. I can move anywhere in the cockpit with this software. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

lot of questions there Jo with the equipment they had there shouldn't really be any problems with icing as long as they were aware of the conditions. if they went any higher oxygen would be needed. remember the plane was not pressurized. I don't seem to recall any loss of altitude due to icing. I'm aware of two points of "leveling out" this would be the 7,000 range from the start of the flight, then they went to 10,000 and remained there. the 2005 position (8:05) would be moments before Merwin Lake area. also last contact made with Cooper. most of the time they were above cloud levels. icing on the wings form from moisture in the clouds, or freezing rain (light rain) you can have snow on the ground, but have dry clouds and no icing. Robert99 am I correct on this? the plane was at 7,000 for approx. 10+ minutes then climbed to 10,000. this was before reaching the Toledo area, or as I call it. the first leg of the flight. don't have my numbers handy, but should be close enough. Turbulence, I don't think this was any problem either. plane took off from SEA at around 7:36 according to one transcript they traveled 14 miles in 4 minutes??? leveling off at 7,000. around 7:48-7:51 they climb to 10,000 A US Marshal chimed in asking them to slowly increase altitude to 11,000 and drop the temps to slow his movements, but Cooper was already gone at this point. (odds say this) I included a map. I can pin point and mark things if you need? I also included where the last contact with Cooper was made at 8:05 this was added. I was incorrect about the US Marshal. it was the coordinator for the Marshal's. (see attachment) "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Quote That quote is from R's recent NWA talk. I have posted the whole passage quoted above. And Bill Scott gave a talk and said the same thing only expanded it saying it was 2005 when conditions caused him to call back to Cooper and explain the turbulence and icing, and they would try to even out the plane for himto jump. Scott is *very specific*! I have to go. (run). So once again Blevins is totally wrong in his outrageous attack on Smokin99. later .. am late for a meeting already... I seen it after I posted. we were a minute apart "So once again Blevins is totally wrong in his outrageous attack on Smokin99" I agree 1000% "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Really? I said 'between Seattle and Portland'." Yes, Really.... Time 15:26 – 16:11 PST Flt 305 establishes a holding pattern NE of SEA at 6000 ft. MSL and 15 – 20 NM out along the 307º radial of the SEA VORTAC. Early in this period they reported low visibility and icing conditions. Late in this period they reported improved visibility with scattered clouds at 5000 to 5500 feet. They later asked to go out to 30 NM DME a on the same radial to avoid rain. At some point during this period SEA App Con became aware of the hijacking. Probably after 15:58. "We had another problem besides Cooper. Icing." "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Yes, Really.... according to the records nobody can verify that this all happened at 9:28. it was reported at 9:28. the wing AI was already being used "intermittently" this would be a concern from take off due to the weather conditions. there was absolutely no reason to say what you said to 99. this quote is from the guy you keep telling us to contact...... From Rataczak: At 10,000 feet out of Seattle there was a cloud layer, causing icing to occur on the aircraft. We were flying what we call a “dirty airplane” with flaps and gear down. We were unpressurized. We had another problem besides Cooper. Icing." http://www.nwahistory.org/newsletter/12_fall_newsletter_web.pdf "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"This is downright ridiculous, and only proves that Smokin99 has one thumb placed somewhere, and another placed elsewhere...and switches every thirty minutes." “When ice is encountered, immediately start working to get out of it. Unless the condition is freezing rain, or freezing drizzle, it rarely requires fast action and certainly never panic action, but it does call for positive action.” do you know the temps aloft on the flight path? 3,000, 5000, 10,000? what type of rain was falling according to most accounts? Washington has a high percentage over most states on icing aloft. where does most icing occur Bobby? high altitudes or low? 9:28 flight 305 reports "airframe icing" being experienced. engine anti-icing on for a appreciable length of time. wing AI on "Intermittently" crew seems slightly concerned about this, but were assured that it was no problem. this tells me it was happening before the time frame reported. what gave you the idea to make such a rude comment about something you apparently have no knowledge of? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

why are you telling me this? direction issue again... A boatload of posts here are misdirected in the header box. Then again, sometimes people get it right. Most don't even notice after a while. I'll try to remember, but I'm going to expect you to drop your same reminder on anyone else who forgets as well. nope, it's always you clicking the last post made to post your comment. the topic portion is wrong most of the time, but where it say Re:[mrshutter45] is the important part. it's very simple. if Joe writes a post to you the simple thing would be to click on Joe's post to reply/quote and add your comment, not Frank's post to respond. I'll expect you to follow up on this. Thank You "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

why are you telling me this? direction issue again... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I thought the Para Loafers would be funny! On another topic..... I was watching a Larry Carr video at Youtube and he was displaying some Cooper artifacts including the reserve chute which Cooper cut rope from. Car is clutching a bundle of rope/cord with one hand like one might do to cut it. "Did the FBI check the bundle of ropes/cords for DNA?" Larry Carr video below http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLOgfkv4alk Picture of Larry Carr holding cut reserve chute rope attached. do you mean to check the rope for skin cells? I'm sure it's been handled by many and contaminated to zero value. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I found these, they might work! Picture attached. I posted the same boots. nice 'pair a loafers' "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I would say you would have to put a lot of false memory in the passenger accounts. they had no reason to pay attention to him. if I seen you walk into a store and noticed you passed the same guy several times. I wonder if you could tell me how old he was, weather he had a round jaw etc. nobody claimed seeing a wig or makeup on Cooper. these are hard facts to get around. Tina said she had to look up at him. very hard to dispute. she was calm enough to interact with him, take part in notes etc. everyone see's things differently. a friend could call you and say he ran out of gas and walked at least a mile and a half. you show up and take him to his car and realize it was only about a half a mile. is the drawing of Cooper close? who knows. it's funny how all of you put your suspect right beside him though. then claim descriptions could be incorrect on his hair, eyes, height etc. you have shown how bad witnesses can be on composites, but you have KC right beside the drawing. I've said it many times. this is much different than the average crime that last only seconds and descriptions are bad in these cases, but not all the time. this crime lasted hours. I'm sure it was an eternity for a few. they were able to look long and hard at him. this is also different than other unsolved cases like Alcatraz & Hoffa. it's a little harder to create a suspect since there backgrounds are known. only false sightings can spawn from them. I would tend to think the description will be better than the composite. Williams said it was off, Flo said the same, but I don't recall the height or weight being an issue. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

if she would of picked the phone up. I'd bet she could of found out exactly were Uncle LD was in 73,74,75 etc. or did she already know "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"In reality, it's too bad the flight crew weren't able to somehow drag out an Instamatic" funny you mention this. he has this in his story..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

this is what I found...Men Vintage PARA SAUT France Paraboot Black Leather Jump Combat Lace Up Boots Size 9 (see photo) you would see him a mile away walking around in these.... this was his answer to KC being short..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI