mrshutter45

Yep, you seem to understand the post. thank You.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I don't have time to spoon feed the meaning behind the post. since you can't make a connection I don't know what I can tell you. it wasn't directed directly at you.... Have a nice day.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Something happened to me last Friday that I thought I would share. it's kind of like what goes on here with some of the Cooper candidates who can't speak for themselves. I just found out through a letter in the mail from my Insurance company that I'm being sued for an accident I was never in. I found out later that it was a hit and run. this allegedly happened Oct. 30, 2013. the driver got a partial tag and the police linked it to my truck. the driver then ID'd my DL photo which nobody was aware of being 17 years old. it took me almost a week to get the police on the phone after leaving the officer in charge multiple messages. he told me it has already been submitted to the States Attorney's office and appears they are going to charge me. Now, I don't like to air dirty laundry, but this clearly shows what can happen when things are only heard on one side. I am also being sued in civil court for this incident. everyone seems to have knowledge of this except me. the police showed probable cause which I understand, but now the State is moving forward without anything said by me. You can trust me on this when people make claims that appear true are certainly not always the case. Now, after speaking with the police he understood the problems and wants me to give a statement. oh, the driver claimed the truck was a Dodge 1500. I drive a Dodge Dakota, a much smaller truck. as mentioned before, you can clearly see what can happen when you only hear from one side! some of you clearly don't understand the simple fact that somethings can be proven once the other side speaks. it's real easy to assume someone into a crime. this is considered a crime since leaving the scene is a criminal offense, plus he is also stating "neck injuries". his claim is I hit him from behind. he got out and asked me to pull over. then claimed I took off. my company name and number is clearly seen on my tailgate. no mention of a commercial vehicle on the report. some of you really need to take a step back and think about what you are accusing someone of simply based on hearsay. based on what is going on with me, it does seem easy to accuse someone of something prior to there statement. that's the scary part. Robert Blevins, please don't try and give me any advice on my personal matters. you don't know the whole story. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, that would be a reasonable way. But, that rigging is slightly more complicated than 550 cord. It also takes up a lot more room than a small paper bag. The H912 container was meant to be jumped and was 36 tall. Wow, that thing was heavy.....160+ Lbs.. http://laststandonzombieisland.com/2013/04/11/the-us-militarys-backpack-atomic/ "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Maybe I had better ask a question. Did anyone jump from a DC-10 in the early to mid-1970s over Indiana or Illinois? Not sure. was the DC-10 around in that time period? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

David J. Hanley of Florissant watched live TV in the Airport Marriott lounge and got angry. At 12:30 a.m., he crashed his 1971 Cadillac convertible through the airport fence and sped down the runway at Wilson's commandeered jet. He smashed into the wheel struts at 80 mph. Inside the plane, a jumpy Wilson demanded a second 727 and hid behind his hostages from FBI sharpshooters as they walked to another jet. They took off, heading northeast. Wilson gave flight attendants generous tips and jumped at 2:50 a.m. over northern Indiana from an altitude of 8,000 feet. http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/a-look-back-airline-hijacking-at-lambert-in-turns-bizarre/article_1aac5de6-6eb4-5245-a126-7adf324d5eb2.html I grabbed this link because it was first "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Zero proof about his parachuting experience. It's ALL speculation. His 727 configuration commands evidence some knowledge about aircraft flight characteristics, but not necesaarily about the 727 in particular. Frustrating. But that's life in the big vortex. 377 From what I have read about McNally. it appears he might of pulled off the stairs, I don't know. that's an action for experience to speak. (you or other jumpers) the plane seems to have been going a lot faster though, so that could be the reason everything was ripped off of him. including a pair of pants. he had two pairs on.... Didn't McNally exit over the wing of a DC-10 that was doing about 300 MPH? This is the fellow in Indiana correct? I don't think so. he hijacked a 727. then some guy got pissed off and ran his caddy into the plane damaging the wheel struts. he got another 727. some reports say 8,000, but the court records for his appeal claim 10,000 with an airspeed (TAS) of 263 when he jumped. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Zero proof about his parachuting experience. It's ALL speculation. His 727 configuration commands evidence some knowledge about aircraft flight characteristics, but not necesaarily about the 727 in particular. Frustrating. But that's life in the big vortex. 377 From what I have read about McNally. it appears he might of pulled off the stairs, I don't know. that's an action for experience to speak. (you or other jumpers) the plane seems to have been going a lot faster though, so that could be the reason everything was ripped off of him. including a pair of pants. he had two pairs on.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

How much proof do we really have of Cooper's experience? as shown before with McNally, all his gear blew off. I don't know how similar the two jumps were, but he lost everything and was bruised up pretty bad. if Cooper did survive. it seems very possible the money separated from him. no house, no new cars etc? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

How about pulling on the stairs and letting the canopy squid out into the slip stream, thus getting pulled off the stairs and avoiding the tumble through the slipstream? 377 has given a very comprehensive analysis of this method of exiting a 727, replete with videos of training missions in Cambodia during the Vietnam War where troopers exhibited this style of jumping from a 727. Different style of jumping in those videos...( unless it's a set I haven't seen)That plane was going super slow and was rigged for dropping. But as stated above, who knows anything is possible. I just wanted to talk about the skydiving aspect of this mystery. Eh, propster, it sounds like you are equivocating.... If Cooper knew more about the 727 than the pilots or Northwest Orient, don't you think he knew how to exit safely with twenty pounds of twenties? C'mon, put your thinking cap on! Give it your best shot! How would you do it, for instance? I don't see where I'm waffling. Norjack wasn't rigged for a staticline drop. I wouldn't have pulled this stunt. Two many variables. I have exited at high speed with a lot more weight. It can be an experience, even with the correct equipment. I certainly wouldn't do a 'pull off' from a jet on a round...on purpose, and expect that it would any possible way - be easier, safer or smarter than a semi HALO. Either way...having at least a vague reference of experience - can ya just imaging how that 550 tied not to the harness but around the waist, must have felt on opening shock! Well Hell Slick, THAT'LL learn ya - - Bet ole D.B. ever did THAT again! The hijacking in 72 by McNally tells the story that the money, gun and his trousers were ripped away by the tremendous shock of the jet blast. what's interesting is where everything was found. (see attachment) he also requested directions on how to use a parachute. Court Records: At 3 a. m. on June 24th, en route to Canada, traveling at 10,000 feet and 263 knots true air speed and located 43 miles west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, and five miles south of Peru, Indiana, the captain noticed a shift in air pressure according to certain instrumentation, a Transponder system, that indicated to him that the hijacker had parachuted from the airplane. The jet then turned around and eventually landed in Chicago without the hijacker. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I jumped the Perris DC 9 at WFFC 2006. I assume it was quite similar to the 727 jump-wise. Piece of cake exiting, no wind at all until you were completely out. Then once clear you hit the slipstream and it's FAST. I think our jump run was about 180++. it sure wasn't like a Twin Otter exit. Some folks tumbled for a few sec. A few accessories were lost, goggles, fanny packs and a wrist altimeter that had worn out Velcro. My goggles were stripped off my face but the helmet kept them from detaching. The DC 9 had the stairs removed for the jump. There are YouTube videos of WFFC 727 and DC 9 jumps. It cost $100 but was worth every penny. The speed and single file exit put some jumpers quite a way off the DZ for their landings. Later loads did two passes to minimize the spread. 377 As I suspected. I think that moneybag took off or took him for a ride. Yeah...I'm with ya on that. Kinda always been my thoughts on it, I have jumped the 727 and even as an experienced jumper who had been briefed regarding the exit by people who had done it before..it was an eye opener! I also do a lot of demos and am quite adept at attaching things to my harness etc. Using good rigging technique with plenty of thought, planning & time...still throws me a surprise from time to time. Tying a couple knots with 550 on a 20 pound satchel would be about my LAST method of securing anything for that kind of jump. If not mistaken wasn't it you that tied some cord around your waist with some weight and jumped up and down with the weight coming loose showing this wouldn't be a good idea the way they suggest Cooper did it? I remember reading this not to long ago back in the thread. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, if the Portland Police collected the sign in card they would be obligated to hand it over to the FBI. it's a Federal crime which is out of the jurisdiction of the local police. even if the card was lost or misplaced you would think a paper trail would be in the files. what triggered this event to even take place. nobody else checked in around that time? if he explained to the police it might be Cooper then it would of been a huge break in the case. if the police collected the card, it would have been linked to possibly being Cooper. I provided a picture of the Red Lion Inn which is about a thousand feet from PDX. it has two floors and offices in the front. are you saying the hotel/motel Duane checked into no longer exists? there is a Rodeway Inn southeast of PDX a little over a mile away. both of these motels were there in 71, but not sure about the names. I'm trying to unravel all of this. try to keep it on the subject. I know you feel like you are on trial, but it's you guys making these claims. basically what I'm trying to figure out is where you stayed in 79, and where you claim Duane checked into in 1971. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I did find a post from 2007. it still doesn't make sense. what was the date on the parking ticket? you place him in Portland at the Roadway Inn verified by the night clerk. so why would his car be in Seattle? it is very confusing Jo. you said the Roadway was changed to the Red Lion Inn. Is this the same one you were at? there's a Roadway Inn pretty close to PDX still operating, it looks like it could be from that circa. I think you have mixed up the ticket with the stub over time... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, the last couple postings you claimed the ticket said Dan Cooper on it. 2007 you claim the airline ticket was found first. I don't think the parking ticket was even mentioned? how did you leave that out of the story? A reply to your post in 2007: Aug 14, 2007, 3:06 PM Post #330 of 1694 (3201 views) "Jack states:"You stated that in the early 90's that you held an airline ticket in your hands, that was dated 11/24/71, and was from Sea-tac to Portland, and was Dan Cooper's"." It sounds like you were trying to say Duane took a plane to Portland and then got on flight 305. I'm not really sure when the parking stub came into the story. how many times did you see the airline ticket? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

That's a grey area if you ask me. the question is was the hijacker comfortable enough to do anything with the money in a short period of time. I'm sure he had no idea whether or not the cops could trace the bills. I would take a guess and say Cooper would have sat on the money for a while before thinking of exposing it. did Cooper even think that far ahead? KC had a $7,500 mortgage he couldn't pay off. did he spend it all on useless items? nothing to show for it. did he give it all away? nothing calculates. this was a lot of money for that time period. where did it all go? let's say Kenny paid $7,000 cash for his home, and loaned $5,000 along with the alleged coin/stamp collection, and a couple grand on land. that's about $44,000. what happened to the remaining $156,000, or $150,000 after he planted the money. did it all go poof? did he piss it all away to where he couldn't pay off his own loans? the story doesn't fit into the bag of money....for Kenny to expose himself on his own airlines is gutsy enough. to spend it in a short period tells you this guy was extremely arrogant, placing himself above everyone. that doesn't seem to fit Kenny either. these are just few thoughts I have about the KC saga.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, this is really no different than your claims about the Amboy chute. you sent a letter to the FBI asking questions. did you do anything else? contact the people who found the chute? nope, but you automatically go right into it's a lie mode. I guess the FBI could come on here and tell you the same as you are telling me about KC. go and talk to the witnesses. It's not just the house that comes under fire. it sets off other things that become inaccurate. I realize you spent a lot of time and money into the whole story, but the fact of the matter is you are not really qualified as an investigative reporter. your a part time book editor who is claiming everything said are true facts about Kennith Christiansen. mistakes are always going to occur and will happen, but certain things can be changed such as the website. the book is much harder to change I can understand not going into the lengths and cost to revise. you claim the PDF sent to the FBI only has last names and contact info in difference. again, you go into worse case scenario by stating I blow off witnesses. based on what has come to light, I don't believe some of them are being honest with there story. must we all set aside thousands of dollars to check stories we don't believe in? I don't think anyone has enough money to chase Jo's theory. the people claiming they would talk to Law Enforcement or the media sounds good on the outside, but makes me question why they would sit on one of the greatest unsolved mysteries in the last 50 years. it doesn't make sense, even Marla used the claim of being obligated to come forward with her story. what would you have done if you were stonewalled about the filthy comments? or did you explain that it wasn't right allowing misinformation and lies to be on that site, or sites? I don't blame you for trying to have it removed, but to constantly bring it up isn't a smoking gun for anything. seems people had fun at your expense, So what, or big deal. get over it. "Robert says: I don't see anything referring to all the things you said were on that page. We say plainly we don't know if KC was the guy, etc as well." "the famous house that Christiansen bought under suspicious circumstances in Bonney Lake, WA" Your website says he paid $16,500 cash for the house. now you want to claim "suspicious circumstances". do you have all of the information about the sale of the house? how can you conclude "suspicious circumstances" did Kenny really spend 4 times his annual income? is the story of how the Powell's got Kenny's home correct? Dawn having to support 4 children and buy a new house even with a good job she would have to struggle on that alone. $5,000 is a very large sum of money in 71 and today. records show she used Boeing employee credit union for loans. not sure yet when that actually transpired. it's dated on the records to 1988/89 I think, don't have records in front of me, but that's not when the loan originally started. "It should be noted that since the release of the book, NONE of the witnesses have tried to retract their statements or force Adventure Books through legal action to pull the book from publication" there is the best case scenario. are you speaking for them? is it possible they don't care one way or the other? you always have a problem with options pointing the other way. "Yes, he (Christiansen) looks just like him..." (The FBI sketch) " I thought witness descriptions can be off? why put Kenny beside a photo showing a resemblance? isn't that called contradiction? you don't have a problem with the sketch, but have a problem with the description? the sketch is right, and the description is wrong? I just think you are to one sided in the whole thing. you seem to be protecting an investment more than protecting the value of the story. I don't think I'm alone in this conclusion. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"There are several witnesses to the loan." that means squat Robert. people can say things that are not true all the time. that goes for groups of people as well. "Personally, I don't care if Kenny did half or all or whatever, because that's not really why Kenny ended up on the suspect list." then why use it as evidence? and why does it say the house was bought for $16,500 cash on your website? I'll bet that kid read the article and thinks KC paid cash, and he spent 4 times is annual income. it's all one sided information. nobody has stepped forward to validate anything. it's not a fact when people make claims. it's just people talking, no documents to back up the loan, nobody showing any cash transactions for the house, nothing zip. just talk. that's the first step into the investigation. you stopped there before checking anything else. more of that Marla/Jo super memory. "I can't be trusted?" no you can't be trusted. you refuse to fix known error's on your website that have to do with this case as well as KC. you continue to repeat that you don't trust people on here, but don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot. that's the internet for ya. your foolish to trust anyone on the internet that you really don't know in the first place. your investigation was half ass, the proof is surfacing on how bad it was done. I don't know you personally, I doubt I ever will. it's a mixture of things that give me my conclusion, not mistakes as all of us do. you like to verify everything (source please) just as we all do, but when you are in front of the spotlight. you close your eye's and take the 5th. then when things are found to be incorrect about KC, they quickly become irrelevant. you seem to think your story is as strong as the tallest tree, so far, I've only taken a few chops and the tree is tilting already. Like smokin said, go ahead and leave the website the way it is. I follow up insuring everyone know's about it. If you are actually rechecking things. the site should be corrected, or taken down until the mess is clarified... it's the right thing to do, the honest thing to do. I thought you wouldn't have a problem if KC was found not to be Cooper? it makes it look like you are trying to prevent it from happening. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

what was the name of the hotel where the clerk was ffrom, and where was it located? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Aug 14, 2009, 11:47 PM "Orange, you had asked why I didn't remember the name on the ticket. This is a question I have asked myself many times. I was just impressed by how old the ticket was and I was very pressed for time during that part of my life. I do not know if I noted the name - but then Dan Cooper didn't mean anything to me around Feb of 1994." Aug 15, 2007, 12:10 AM Jo Replies: I never said the ticket said Dan Cooper. I have an unique ability to remember things from the past...which has been exhibited by my recall in not only this incident, but thru out my life. The date was February of 1994 that I found the ticket. she also claims many times the ticket said "Sea Tac" where exactly did it say that? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"or the basic fact that Kenny was loaning out thousands of dollars to the *alleged* accomplice's sister and somehow managed to buy a house along the way." several problems here. he says "alleged accomplice" but doesn't say that for the "alleged" loan. nothing has proven the loan ever took place. on here he says Kenny some how purchased a house. his website says "he paid $16,500 in cash for a house in Bonney Lake, Washington within eight months after the crime." I also find it interesting that the police would spend the tax payers money on someone reporting a threat on the phone and actually put manpower in place. not that it wouldn't be the right thing to do, but I don't see the cops putting that much trust in a phone call. maybe Florida is different, or when a woman calls the police in fear of there husband/boyfriend they don't seem to put manpower protecting them. they might drive past the house more than often, but that's about it. then we have to be reminded of this remark, "It's well-known I have trust issues going with some Cooperland residents" I'm sure he also is aware that he can not be trusted either. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

did you recheck the name with Robert Thomas? might be why you couldn't find it earlier? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

nice. I was looking in the 1985 range. this would make him 34 in 71. if this was him, perhaps he started looking like Cooper past 1971 lol. the way they were talking about him seems like they concluded this, and not by his admission? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

strange. could he operate from another state license wise? maybe he got disbarred ? I checked disbarred too in CA Bar records, nothing. To practice law in CA he'd need to be a state bar member. You can appear in court in CA if you are licensed in another state but you have to get the court's and the CA State Bar's permission, pay a petition fee and the granting of the petition is just good for the one case in which it was filed. http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Requirements/ProHacVice.aspx No way to operate a legal practice based here without being a bar member in good standing. 377 not finding much out about him. I'm wondering if he is still declared missing? nothing matching on death index. time to send up smokin99 signals "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

strange. could he operate from another state license wise? maybe he got disbarred ? Possible, 377 will let us know...I always thought that term was better fit for a release from prison "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

strange. could he operate from another state license wise? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI