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Agreed...... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"I have given this a lot of thought over the weekend. It's probably a good thing that some of the people that were HERE are now THERE. Instead of busying themselves with non-sensical posts, dumb pictures, and insults to other posters HERE...you guys might actually get some real work done. I certainly hope so" well, I can also state some things Robert. I can conclude that things are on a professional level due to you being HERE and not THERE. show me anywhere on that forum where a minimum of two people are arguing about something like Cooper, or who is not allowed on a forum? I also fail to notice page after page of nonsense on that forum. is the forum perfect? not by any means. it's in the testing stages as it's set up right now. it's hardly a week old. I have the power to change and mold it into what is best. I see a lot of frustration in Matts post. I can only hope he doesn't think I'm doing the wrong thing. I still believe it can be discussed on a mature level, and be productive for others to enjoy. although skydiving is involved with the case, I still don't believe it belongs here. lots of the jumpers confirm this. I remember when I first signed on I was wondering how they will react when they realize I'm not in the sport. I welcome just about anyone who wishes to join, this includes the jumpers. I hope in the future that if the site survives, the two sites can co-exist, and not do any harm to either. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, once again you back yourself into a corner. what happens at the other site should not be discussed here. what difference does it really make what they did here to get banned? it's up to me to control them. I don't harp on what they did in the past. my problem is what they will do now, or in the future. as I recall it, Meyer asked to be removed. people are pretty much fed up with you. this is one of the main reasons people try to avoid you because your constantly bringing drama to this forum. you bring out the bad in people. I sent a PM to Quade earlier today. you really need to stop the constant insults of people and forums outside of this one! it's really none of your business. your constant monitoring of my forum is rather spooky to say the least. with all of this drama you have put into this thread today, who is trashing the forum? any idea? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Thanks Jo, I'm not against suspects. I'm sure you noticed a topic for that. theories are being looked at just as they should. nothing is written in stone when dealing with this case. all angles should be reviewed. maybe I should say some things are not in stone. anyway, it's been good conversation so far. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, it's a shame you act the way you do. you should be apologizing to both parties here, and not continuing more KC info you seemed to have been fed up with just weeks ago, but carry on as you always do. I don't expect anything from you, but feel you should apologize to Mark. you constantly jump to conclusions often enough that it shows in your investigation. you also seem to lack street smarts in order to read people. a large portion of your postings are trying to correct yourself about one thing, or the other. In the future you might want to stick to the guidelines of the thread. since you enjoy monitoring my site. I've included my very own screen shot explaining how I put an end to bickering. the top portion has a moving marquee with red letters stating warning. I believe I'm done with having to prove anything here. Tootles. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I also seen, and took care of the problem that happened after I signed off last night. it has been addressed. this is the first problem I have encountered. I had a few other minor problems prior to this one. since you feel the need to moderate things, perhaps I will check with Quade about how it should be moderated here. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, first of all, as usual you don't have your facts right! I have never deleted anyone's post on the other website! second, it's none of your business how people register with another forum. revealing someone's information such as you are trying to do shouldn't be allowed on this forum either. those would be grounds for removal if I was in control since you wish to question my moderation. I have yet to see anyone speaking out of line on my forum the way I see things being done here. you continue showing a lot of bitterness in what has happened from Bruce's blog to now my forum. If you would notice since you seem to now be following my site, I didn't remove Jo's single post either. I'm not playing a game Robert. I'm doing the exact opposite of what is going on here. you are a perfect example of a failed discussion forum by continuing to drift off subject and insult people. the forum is now a week old. It has over 1100 views and over 180 posts. I would guess about 170 of those are Cooper related, or people pleased with what I've done. it's a lot of work, and I'm not trying to make this forum look bad for any reason what so ever. you are the one taking care of that Mr. Blevins. Good Day Robert! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, I didn't build the site to talk bad about people on this site. I won't allow it. the subject has been brought up, but nothing worth talking about. more Cooper discussion than anything. lots of people are getting use to the difference. nobody is going back and forth arguing about things. I won't allow that either. it's all about working together, and not arguing. I'm sure it will happen, but it will not continue page after page. I'll make sure of that. I can't control who found what evidence. I'm trying to make a place to discuss DB Cooper. I got a lot of flak when you signed on. I had to make a decision. I also told you if the site took off I would make a section for you. the offer still stands. I have nothing against this site, but felt some fresh air was needed. some poster can not return here. so it's a second chance for them. I have no idea where it will be in a month from now. I don't see any reason the two can't co-exist. P.S. It wasn't all bad Jo, people also said kind things about you. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Your post alone shows you are engaging in homophobia" again, same old here. where in Georger's post does it qualify using the term homophobia? didn't you get in trouble the last time labeling posters? it appears he is going by statistics. much like your KC investigation you strive on he said, she said. perhaps you should remind us of the filthy comments from 2011? remember DB Cooper? forgive me if I don't reply, I have to get back to actual discussion of the case. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, I'm aware of the free sites. you don't have a clue of my intentions, or where Bruce stands. there is "no spinning wheels" just more of your false logic. This has nothing to do with DZ. I told you once before that people are obviously trying to avoid you along with problems just like this. I've grown tired of the constant back and forth with you. people talk and discuss the case on the other site. you wish to continue the battle even if it doesn't involve this site. whether it's right or wrong isn't an arguable point at this time. I would like to go to a site that doesn't have to deal with what we are discussing now. I don't think you are a bad guy, but it's obvious that personalities are clashing. I'm not speaking for everyone either. others can't come back here. there is no reason why the two sites can't co-exist. some people probably enjoy the drama on here. I for one don't. I have no problem coming on here when real conversations occur, but I come back and see this. along with long comments about KC that you were quoted many times wishing it wasn't discussed? it's never ending. it is what it is. I don't have time to go a page and a half over this either. say what ever you wish. my plate is full at this time. Good Day... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, you really need to stop the argument about Bruce. I think you fail to understand that people are trying to avoid you personally. why in the world would someone take any advice from you, or an offer of a better format? It's the same old thing here. you constantly disrupt the forum with ramblings of various topics that most of the time end up with you being wrong. then you decide to show PM's between you and Bruce. should I now show 10 or 15 PM's of people speaking out about you? Since you are so concerned about Bruce I'll let you in on a secret. I already brought up an option for Bruce. this was before your expert opinion came around (*laughs*) he was pleased with what I offered. so in conclusion I don't think anyone really cares what you have to offer. you refer to lots of other people when the word "a pack of lies" is used. then you throw it back at people that never said it in the first place. I believe I stated that several of the people talking about KC have credibility issues because they were not being truthful in everything they said. you have a one sided story. this has been explained to you. I am going through that very same problem of a bunch of people claiming I did something against the law. it's taking me considerable time to repair what these people claimed. you can't take a story of a bunch of people no matter how convincing and use it without hearing both sides of the story. this link could happen to any of you if a group of people tell a story. http://www.daviepolice.org/ "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it. personally I don't have a problem with the first post thingy as long as the site is active. You Tube is always a problem if they hit you with the approval thingy. it takes weeks sometimes for replies. it's obvious you are bitter over this. I didn't make the rules, nor did I cause them. just because you don't monitor your site doesn't mean everyone else should follow. you say Cooper nut, someone else says psycho. if the site had a block option would that be any different? millions accept it on Facebook. some things are in place to stop problems and don't have anything to do with censorship. if comments begin to disappear, then it's possibly a censorship issue. I don't know what else to say about this issue. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

nobody knows how it will work Robert. it's something Bruce thought of. other things are on the table. it is a blog. it's hard to follow if you reply to a post. pictures are a problem unless you use photobucket for an example. it's not designed to be the answer to Cooper headquarters. problems exist here. I could care less who was banned from here that show up elsewhere. the past is the past. the important thing I would like to do is have a discussion about DB Cooper and not constantly play the one up game. I enjoy the people that are on here and admire many of them. there is also good people on the other site as well. if people decide to take a break from here that is there option. it is possible to co-exist. there is several major networks, newspapers, airlines etc. I do this as a hobby. I don't have to live up to anything or anyone. I like to research things and enjoy the challenge. I don't have anything to prove or protect. several people have met me in person from this thread and will probably tell you that I'm exactly as I present myself on here. most people know my real name. I'm not hiding behind "shutter". currently the other site has discussions going on. that's where I will spend most of my spare time. if a hot topic pops up here. I will reply here as well. just like changing the channels on the TV. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Example: If Smith has to authorize each and every poster before they can post, the public will generally ignore his blog, although it will be a good discussion site for the people he approves. And I think if they stick to the subject instead of whining about Dropzone, they will accomplish much more." Robert, you have been told that the site monitors the first post only. lots of sites do this. after the first post you have no holdings when posting. you always think that it's a loss if the general public can't get involved. there is nothing stopping them. Facebook has a block function, You Tube has the option for approval prior to making a comment. forgive me, but I'm having trouble understanding what you are driving at. the bitterness from you seems to be getting in the way for me to see your point. are you now the news reporter for that site? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, sometimes dealing with you can be like dealing with a minor. where did I say the the word "psycho" was not used? I specifically pointed out that you were accusing someone of using this word while you use the term Cooper nut. I said the two are equally wrong in my description. the post you made clearly suggested you were leaving. you are trying to reverse things. Here is my original quote: "you call people Cooper nuts, Galen said psychos. who is right and who is wrong?" Now, how much time do you wish to tie up the thread (as usual) trying to prove something you are clearly wrong on? Have a nice day.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"I returned because I finished editing Revenge Story, and I'm nearly done with the burlesque queen's life story ms. I was busy for a couple of days there" Really? "The fact is, I have had enough. Yes. After three-and-a-half years here, I'm finally deleting the thread shortcut from our office computers. Do not PM me. If you want to reach me, use my regular email. I am also disabling PM's for good." Now, as usual you missed the point. I believe I said that you are doing the same by calling people Cooper nuts, but you seem to have a problem with someone using the word psycho. I said twice that they were both equally wrong. I don't need to debate this any longer. you always have to go to extremes with everything. you flip flop more than anyone I know... Good Day. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, I really don't care about 500 articles. the comments on KC page date back to 2011 showing minimal views. you specifically quoted someone using the word psycho. you use a term Cooper nut. both equally wrong. The "other page" simply monitors the first post for approval. You Tube has that same function. after it's approved you are free to post without monitoring. Then once again you give a long speech about leaving the form for the 5th 6th time only to return like nothing was said days later? so, I questioned your contradictions and motives. Thank You...... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

didn't the Sage also use computer punch cards? I'm wondering about the weather if that would have an affect on actually seeing the blip? was it even possible in that time frame? the radar's today are far more advanced than 1971. did McChord have a play by play while this was happening, or did they only monitor the flight? the photo included is the Sage from McChord. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

With uncertainties in both flight path and exit timing all sorts of things "might" have happened. The pressure bump, to me, is convincing evidence of Cooper's exit, but not absolute proof. The T Bar money really throws a wrench into the gearbox. I just can't come up with an explanation that makes sense. Its a curve ball. A swing and a miss. Just finishing Towsaw's book. Its a good read but doesn't add much to the discussion here. It is amazing how much of his own time and money he spent looking for Cooper's remains. From a news article: ***Tosaw (pronounced TOO-saw) believes the skyjacker's remains lie somewhere in the river. This month he hired a team of divers to scour a stretch of the river where a small portion of the ransom money was found. It was Tosaw's second trip to the river this summer. He has made the journey often enough to call it a tradition. "I know guys who go elk hunting every year," said Tosaw, 80, who lives in the Modesto area. "I look for Mr. Cooper. It's my hobby." It's an expensive hobby, but Tosaw, a bachelor with no children, said he could "afford to have a little fun." He paid the three-man dive team $2,500 a day for four days of searching an area on the Washington side of the river about five miles west of Vancouver. The team used a barge, pushed by a tugboat, as a command center. Tosaw, in jeans and sweatshirt, manned the barge like a captain, overseeing the activity and occasionally offering direction. 377 Yep, a huge wrench. I read the locked thread the other day from mid point. ckret claims it's possible the jump happened further south than originally thought. this tells me they were never 100% sure of the path, or the timing. if we can possibly put any merit into the path, along with accurate timing, we might have a better understanding of the jump zone. I'll include some points from the locked thread. including a pic made by you about the sage that I thought was funny "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Lets assume he died either on impact or later from injuries or exposure. Seems very likely that his remains and at least some gear would be discovered. It's not a jungle. The area is traveled year after year by hunters and other recreational users. If he landed alive there was no need to do a super hiding job on the parachute gear. All he needed to do was conceal it enough so it wouldn't be easily seen before he could complete his escape. He could have splashed but Georger presented a convincing analysis that showed this ending to be very unlikely. 377 Let's also keep in mind that the jump time vs exactly where the plane was could be inaccurate. ckret gives a time frame of up to 8:15. the plane is getting closer to water. it's pretty obvious that nobody knows the exact spot. this seems to be a major clue needed to understand where he jumped. we can say a 50/50 shot of making it, but the closer you get to large bodies of water the lower the percentage becomes. I realize that the percentage of hitting water is low, but that's back at the 8:11-12 mark on the map. the path could be accurate and the timing could be off. then again, the path could be wrong to some extent too? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

well, first of all Mr. I'm leaving the form????? He has the blog set up to moderate the first new post made. after that the moderation stops. you sound bitter over this? days ago you were so backed up with work and yet found time to monitor two sites. "Hatred, racism, or name-calling are NOT allowed...and will be deleted without mercy." that is on your site, not much different than what Bruce says. you call people Cooper nuts, Galen said psychos. who is right and who is wrong? If not mistaken you are the one who constantly says he doesn't trust anyone on here so how is it bad for Bruce not to trust people coming on his site? I had a feeling with your track record that you wouldn't last but a couple days not posting. I guess I won that bet. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Been a little busy convincing the Insurance company & Police that you can't use my 2009 temporary tag against me trying saying I did a hit & run. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Mr. Blevins is once again missing the whole point. first of all as I have often pointed out just because someone says something doesn't mean it's true. second, he claims you should check there statements. he doesn't realize he didn't do that during his investigation. he doesn't know how the house was purchased, he doesn't know if a house was purchased after the loan. he seems to think everyone is attacking his story. that part is partially true because he failed to do the mentioned above. I showed obvious proof of what a bunch of people claimed about me involving a hit and run. everything was concluded making me look guilty without consulting me first, or hearing my side of the story. claiming the FBI is not doing there job every time isn't going to cut it with me. I agree they have made mistakes, but I seriously doubt we have a better outlook on the case. I'm sure they have there reason why they don't pay attention to some of these older suspects. there not going to come onto a thread and defend there honor. my guess is that they could care less what we think. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

my problem is kind of opposite to yours. I received a letter that the driver hit made a claim for damages and Hospital bills. the actual Law suit has not been officially dated. still in the investigative stages. The police are claiming they came to my house several times and left a card for me to call. they received no response, so they turned it over to the State. The officer in charge is not answering his phone, again, so I will call first thing in the morning to inform him I will be there for a statement. I also have all my ammo to counter the claims against me. This could have easily been avoided if they actually tried to make contact with me. I discovered things within hours after reading the police report. I can't stress enough about how much of an individuals word is when the others haven't, or can't speak. it could possibly cloud the truth. regardless what proof you think you have. there is and always has been two sides to every story. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I have an update. due to the fact of me not taking this lying down I called the car lot where I first purchased the truck. it seems I did have a tag that was issued matching what the police have. the problem is that this was the 30 day paper tag issued when I left the car lot. they have the wrong truck in question, period. I bought the truck in 2009. It always seem to look certain in many cases until you really look into the accusations. I looked pretty bad by not doing anything for 3 months. this was out of my hand because I didn't know what was going on. they seemed to have concluded everything without any statements from me. be very aware of what you think is the truth in the future. this is something I always try to live by. things may look nice and neat on the outside, but once you open it up, different things start to surface. things that will take the shadow away.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI