MeyerLouie

Don't get to believing you are special in this opinion. And that's exactly what it is...your opinion. Besides, I just don't care. Are you kidding? I receive about 20-30 emails a week with comments, questions, some on Kenny, some with questions on the book, some on the Cooper case in general. About one in five are fairly nasty. I answer all of them, even the bad ones, and I'm always polite. After two years of this stuff, you get used to it. You think my posts are crap. Fine. Move on then. I've heard it before. If you don't like them...use your mouse to scroll past. If you want to get on the anti-RB bandwagon, no problem. But you'll have to get in line with the others. It's a seniority thing and many are ahead of you. Watching 121212 concert. Very good. They say more than two billion people are either watching on TV, getting a vid feed, or listening to the audio. Edit: Well, I could do without seeing Kanye West in a leather skirt.... __________________________________________________ Okay Blevins..... I think you are either taking too many stupid pills or someone beat you mercilessly with an idiot stick. I'm thinking it's gotta be both. MeyerLouie __________________________________________________ I gave it to you straight. You're not telling me anything that I don't get a few times a week via email. If you author a Cooper book, two things will happen, Meyer. Nuts will come out of the woodwork, and some people won't like what you say. I know you are not a nut because I met you. So you are behind Door Number Two. That's just the way it is. You've had your opinion and I listened to it. Now unless there is anything else, perhaps we can get back to Cooper and out of the personal analysis room. And I still don't like seeing Kanye West in a leather skirt. _________________________________________________ Emergency alert! Emergency alert, DZ members. There has been significant movement on the R.B.I.M. -- Robert Blevins Idiot Meter. In case you didn't know, the meter is on a logarithmic scale. When the meter goes up a notch, that means what Blevins just said is ten times more ridiculous than what he said in his previous post. What drives this man? What is his motto, his blueprint for living in the real world? Someone told me they overheard Blevins say "I calls 'em as I sees 'em, and if I don't sees 'em, I makes 'em up!" Proper grammar and goof senses seemed to have taken leave of the assistant publisher. Also, friends have encouraged Blevins -- Connoisseur of the Unfounded -- to seek counseling, maybe even join a 12-step program. There is 12-step program for people who talk way too much -- it's called On-and-On Anon, but Blevins doesn't seem to be all that interested. One time when Blevins got down in the dumps, someone overheard him complaining, "I don't understand it, everybody hates me!" His friend replied (yeah, Blevins actually has a friend): "Don't be stupid, Blevins. Everybody hasn't met you yet!" That seemed to cheer him up a bit. Respect from others seems to be hard to come by for Robert Blevins. I heard one time he got set up with a blind date. He was supposed to meet her at the mall. When he thought he saw her, he went up to her and asked, "Are you Judy?" She said, "Are you Robert?" He said, "Yes." She said, "Well then, I'm not Judy." Now you know that's cold ... that's harsh. Blevins gets no respect..... Rumor has it that Blevins finally broke down and went to see a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist told Blevins he was crazy, Blevins retorted, "I don't believe it, I want a second opinion!" "Okay, you're ugly too," replied the doctor (I couldn't resist this Henny Youngman classic). I guess things went from bad to worse. I heard Blevins got so far down in the dumps he told the doctor he thought he might have suicidal tendencies. "Oh yeah," replied the doctor. "From now on, you pay in advance!" So goes the escapades of the one and only Robert Blevins.... Take it away Grand Maestro Peepee.

Don't get to believing you are special in this opinion. And that's exactly what it is...your opinion. Besides, I just don't care. Are you kidding? I receive about 20-30 emails a week with comments, questions, some on Kenny, some with questions on the book, some on the Cooper case in general. About one in five are fairly nasty. I answer all of them, even the bad ones, and I'm always polite. After two years of this stuff, you get used to it. You think my posts are crap. Fine. Move on then. I've heard it before. If you don't like them...use your mouse to scroll past. If you want to get on the anti-RB bandwagon, no problem. But you'll have to get in line with the others. It's a seniority thing and many are ahead of you. Watching 121212 concert. Very good. They say more than two billion people are either watching on TV, getting a vid feed, or listening to the audio. Edit: Well, I could do without seeing Kanye West in a leather skirt.... __________________________________________________ Okay Blevins..... I think you are either taking too many stupid pills or someone beat you mercilessly with an idiot stick. I'm thinking it's gotta be both. MeyerLouie __________________________________________________

That's a fairly broad statement. How about some examples that you really have a problem with? You'll have to narrow it down a bit. I think pretty much everyone who has ever posted on this thread has made 'ridiculous, outlandish, and unfounded' statements occasionally. __________________________________________________ Examples? Just about every post. Everyone has made ridiculous statements occasionally? No, it's only been you on a regular and consistent basis. That's what you say. Okay, that's an opinion unless you claim to speak for others as well. I'd rather discuss the Cooper case, or things related to it, but we're still getting into personalities here and sniping. Even I know this is a go-nowhere route. As the saying goes, 'Everyone got an opinion...' I would not call my recent posts junk. I offered to help Bruce Smith do his book, prepped a major report for the Seattle FBI and Curtis Eng, showed how people here have had their names stolen with filth posted under those names, and defended my analysis on the Amboy chute and Marla Cooper. Those things are not 'ridiculous, outlandish, or unfounded,' IMHO. _____________________________________________ Sure about that Blevins? I'm not. I'm not speaking for others, I have been reading the DZ posts for the past year, including the ones directed at you. I don't need to ask others or speak for others here, I have evidence -- your posts and what other people have said to you or what others have said about you. I'm using evidence Blevins. Got it? MeyerLouie

That's a fairly broad statement. How about some examples that you really have a problem with? You'll have to narrow it down a bit. I think pretty much everyone who has ever posted on this thread has made 'ridiculous, outlandish, and unfounded' statements occasionally. __________________________________________________ Examples? Just about every post. Everyone has made ridiculous statements occasionally? No, it's only been you on a regular and consistent basis.

Wow, that's harsh. However, I don't base any possible credibility or respectability in my personal life solely on the Cooper case. That was a passing thing, a job, an assignment I took reluctantly that ended up costing me thousands of dollars and nearly bankrupting AB of Seattle. If Gayla Prociv hadn't finally said 'enough' we would not be in business today. My only real contribution to the case is pretty simple. This guy in New York asked me to interview some people, so I did. Then I published the results. With the mailing to Curtis Eng at the Seattle FBI yesterday, I consider that job finished. It's in their hands now, whatever they choose to do with it. They probably won't do a thing. There is another side to this Cooper Coin, and it's an ugly one. One thing I've discovered is that there is a lot of competition, a lot of ugliness involved. One only has to view the comments left on Regina's Kenny Christiansen article to see this. 382 comments, some VERY bad. This is why almost everyone who posts up something at YouTube about DB Cooper (other than stock footage) disallows commenting. They know better, because the Nasty Folk come out of the woodwork. They do things like steal usernames from each other at Dropzone to make the filthy comments, for example. They use my name, Georger's name, Marla, Geoff Gray, Ckret, just about every name associated with the case imaginable. This proves that these people come from HERE to make their comments, although it's so screwy you don't know who is who for real. But that's the World of Cooper. Credibility isn't about making mistakes. ('Scott went back to talk to Cooper.' 'Threw money into river at Paradise Point') It's about truth. No one has ever said I have lied to them regarding the Cooper case on anything. EVER. People got angry when I shredded Marla's story, while the FBI and ABC News were swallowing that pap with a big wooden spoon. Why is that? You want to talk credibility, don't speak of Marla. As it turns out, I was right about the whole thing. All people did was get angry at me. Blame the messenger for the message. Here we are a year and some months later and look what happened: No one believes her anymore, the FBI was a negative on the tests, and Marla herself finally backed off on her claims. (This from Doug Kenck-Crispin, organizer of next year's Symposium) I may not know every detail on the Cooper case, but I'm not bad at rooting out crap from people either. People even got angry at me for questioning the FBI's results on the Amboy chute. They defended Cossey's one-sided assessment and simply forgave the Seattle FBI's ridiculous statements on it. Not my fault they tried to push that weak-ass story on everyone. Then the whole thing got buried. There are the academics in this case. And then there are the renegades who question everything. I see myself more as the latter. If you catch me lying on a point in the case, you can question my credibility. Those 'outlandish assumptions' you speak of were mostly times when I tossed theories out there. They were not statements of fact. Some made sense, others did not. One I still think makes sense is the idea (rather minor) that Cooper probably backed down the stairs and then pulled the ripcord right off the last step. But that's just a theory, of course. Question Everything.

QuoteI once made it over Snoqualmie Pass in a snowstorm, driving a Corvair with four bald tires. But it's a different story on Forest Service roads at night, in winter. The real point is that she was sure it was the Brit sports car...until she was reminded what it's like up there above 1,500 feet or so. __________________________________________________ Blevins, I grew up in the snow country of Eastern Washington, and I have never heard of anyone being so ridiculous as to go over Snoqualmie Pass in a snow storm, in bald tires. You can't be serious. You got a death wish or what? Blevins, get some good studded snow tires, then put about 500-600 pounds of sand in the back of your rig, a little in front of the rear axle (assuming you have rear-wheel drive), and you'll be able to go anywhere. A few years back I drove from Tacoma, WA to Kamloops, BC in a bigtime snow storm the whole way, and had absolutely no problems. MeyerLouie

And yet...none of those people you mentioned have been able to solve the case, even after all those years of working on it. I don't care what posters on an internet forum think of me. I do care what the people I know in real life think of me. To a certain extent. __________________________________________________ So you don't give a rat's ass what people on the thread think of you, only those in real life? Why are you here then? If I had that attitude, I'd would not have any motivation for sticking around. By the way, you haven't solved the case either with your theory that is pretty much a chain of coincidences that proves nothing. You should care what people think of you here. Ain't you got no shame?__________________________________________________ See, here's the Real Deal: I never claimed to be a Cooper Expert, and that book was probably my one and only (supposedly) non-fiction work. But that book really isn't about DB Cooper, it's about Kenny Christiansen and whatever evidence exists on him as it relates to the Cooper case. Wasn't even an idea I thought up on my own. Let's face it...the groundwork was done by Geoff Gray and Skipp Porteous. If it's proven later that KC was definitely NOT DB Cooper, then I probably would stop posting here anyway. There wouldn't be any purpose to it because I'm not really interested in pursuing the case any further than I have already. I'm not a crime investigator or crime writer, like Ann Rule. I'm just Robert the Sci Fi Guy who Occasionally Edits Books. When I'm not doing that, I'm out in the mountains or something listening to Mariner or Seahawk games or MP3's of old radio shows like 'Dimension X' or 'X-Minus-1'. Or popping off my .45 S/W or that 30/30 Winnie I love so much. That's who I am, nothing more. __________________________________________________ I'd say that's a load of crap, Blevins. That's is not who you are trying to be here. Here, you are quite arrogant and insecure. I'd say you're the most disruptive person on the thread. Why wait till KC is proven not to be DBC to leave ? If you are not interested in pursuing anything any further, then why stay? Moreover, everyone has already heard your theory a thousand times. I know it by heart now. You actually admit that you have not had an original thought -- finally, some honesty. __________________________________________________ Look, if I considered myself Cooper Royalty I would have showed up at the Portland Symposium with my slideshow gear and countered Marla's claims with some of my own. Or, I would have gone around at Ariel saying, "I'm the guy who wrote that Cooper book..." Mostly I try to stay anonymous. I may go to the 2013 Symposium in Tacoma, but unless something new emerges on KC, then I'm just going to be in the audience. _________________________________________________ Don't worry Blevins, you are not Cooper Royalty. That's something that's earned, over years of creating a credible body of work. You haven't done that. Rather, you've tried to shove respect for you and your KC=DBC theory down everyone's throat. That ain't how you get respect and credibility. _________________________________________________ On Georger: He jumps on every post I make, no matter what it is. So IMHO his credibility, his opinions, mean zip to me. You have to pick and choose when to jump down someone's throat, and that should be for 'ridiculous assumptions' only, not because you just don't like someone. So I don't care what he says. That situation probably isn't going to get any better. We've both been banned twice now, mostly for arguing. These days I either ignore his posts, or respond to them in a comedic manner, rather than getting angry. Once in a while he brings up a sensible point on something without insults, and then I will answer that normally, more or less. __________________________________________________ Hey Blevins, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. You are not in the same league as Georger. You're Little League, he's Major League. He's played hard ball with the big boys, you haven't. He's spent years and years on the case, you've been here 3 years. He has academic credentials with an advanced degree, you don't -- I could go on. I am not trying to openly endorse Georger here, but facts are facts -- the truth is the truth. There are some people here (with real credentials and real experience) who don't have any patience for someone who regularly pops off with so many ridiculous, unfounded, outlandish assumptions and statements. Your respectability and credibility have been (permanently) damaged by it. There are people here who really know when someone doesn't have any clue or idea what they are talking about. Some people here have no patience for genuine, unadulterated, incompetence and ignorance. And I don't think you even give a rat's ass. But you should. You're making a fool of yourself. __________________________________________________

For the record: I don't think Marla is nuts. I think she has ADD and is an opportunist. I don't believe Jo is nuts, either. She could even be right. But you need evidence to prove a case, or at least some witnesses who might be able to further that case a bit. Cook isn't nuts. But he's motivated to somehow prove Gossett was the hijacker, even if he has go out on some nutty limbs in the attempt. The Janet Fable, etc. All the guy has to really do is interview the people who worked with Gossett at Fort Lewis around the time of the hijacking, and he hasn't done that. This is counterproductive to his appearances on Coast-to-Coast radio, since he might find out that Gossett was Present and Accounted For at the time of the crime. Can't have that happen... Everyone is nuts except RobertMBlevins aka 'Marilyn Monroe'. Blevins is just jealous and in need of a personality transplant! I must admit Blevins, that thought has crossed my mind -- are you jealous? You came around like 3 or so years ago, you were here for such a short time, then you co-wrote a book and you appeared on the History Channel -- and somehow I get the feeling you think all that automatically puts you in the "DB Cooper Hall of Fame." You have repeated yourself and your theory so many times you've lost pretty much all credibility. Moreover, I have seen you react, almost violently, to anyone who's thinking about coming out with a book. There's Marla, then there's Galen Cook, and there's Bruce Smith. You seem so threatened and jealous of anyone who might get something over on you or who might get more notoriety than you. I don't think anyone asked for your opinion on what Bruce should call his book. Brue can spreak for himself, but it seems your advice and criticism of Bruce's work were totally unsolicited. That's so blatantly arrogant, Blevins. Lighten up!! Quit trying so hard. I met you Blevins. In real life you're a nice, respectful, and kind person -- I saw it with my own eyes. Why don't you try to be that person here? Nobody will fault you for that, and you just might get a better, more respectful response from people around here. Just be yourself. You can be a really good guy, Blevins. Earning respect takes time. Only people who've been around for a long time and who have earned a good reputation by their body of work deserve our respect. And you will get no respect if you have no credibility and if you have not "put in your time and paid your dues." I have another point to make Blevins. For some reason you think you are on the same level as Georger and others. Well, you're not. Co-writing a book and appearing on Decoded does not make you an expert. Some folks here are playing in the Big League with the big boys. You aren't there yet. Spending years and years on this case, interfacing with the FBI and the key players on a regular basis, for years, make one an expert -- makes one "Cooper royalty" if you will. There are only a handful of people in this elite group. You're not there yet -- and you want to be so badly. Give it time Blevins. Try to be credible, offer up your stuff in a respectful way, back it up with quotes, citations, references. Your unfounded, ridiculous assumptions continue to destroy your credibility. Some people here, who have been here for years, think you're a total idiot. That's going to be tough to overcome. Quit locking horns with Georger, you are not in his league! Give it time, quit trying so hard. Gee Blevins, c'mon. I've seen the good guy, let him come out. MeyerLouie MeyerLouie

For the record: I don't think Marla is nuts. I think she has ADD and is an opportunist. I don't believe Jo is nuts, either. She could even be right. But you need evidence to prove a case, or at least some witnesses who might be able to further that case a bit. Cook isn't nuts. But he's motivated to somehow prove Gossett was the hijacker, even if he has go out on some nutty limbs in the attempt. The Janet Fable, etc. All the guy has to really do is interview the people who worked with Gossett at Fort Lewis around the time of the hijacking, and he hasn't done that. This is counterproductive to his appearances on Coast-to-Coast radio, since he might find out that Gossett was Present and Accounted For at the time of the crime. Can't have that happen... Everyone is nuts except RobertMBlevins aka 'Marilyn Monroe'. Blevins is just jealous and in need of a personality transplant! I must admit Blevins, that thought has crossed my mind -- are you jealous? You came around like 3 or so years ago, you were here for such a short time, then you co-wrote a book and you appeared on the History Channel -- and somehow I get the feeling you think all that automatically puts you in the "DB Cooper Hall of Fame." You have repeated yourself and your theory so many times you've lost pretty much all credibility. Moreover, I have seen you react, almost violently, to anyone who's thinking about coming out with a book. There's Marla, then there's Galen Cook, and there's Bruce Smith. You seem so threatened and jealous of anyone who might get something over on you or who might get more notoriety than you. I don't think anyone asked for your opinion on what Bruce should call his book. Brue can spreak for himself, but it seems your advice and criticism of Bruce's work were totally unsolicited. That's so blatantly arrogant, Blevins. Lighten up!! Quit trying so hard. I met you Blevins. In real life you're a nice, respectful, and kind person -- I saw it with my own eyes. Why don't you try to be that person here? Nobody will fault you for that, and you just might get a better, more respectful response from people around here. Just be yourself. You can be a really good guy, Blevins. Earning respect takes time. Only people who've been around for a long time and who have earned a good reputation by their body of work deserve our respect. And you will get no respect if you have no credibility and if you have not "put in your time and paid your dues." MeyerLouie

__________________________________________________ mrshutter45, While I respect your work and talents you've brought to the case, I think this post is quite unkind toward Jo. Jo has every right to post her theory, ideas, and thoughts, without the unkind labels -- just like everybody else here. MeyerLouie

In my opinion you are exactly right. There has to be more information in the FBI files and I doubt very much if they will ever release it if there is no solution to this hijacking. If Cooper's remains were found tomorrow, the FBI would probably have everything fleshed out and in a neat bundle secured with red, white, and blue ribbons within a few hours. Robert99 all of these stories are much like a script, they follow the evidence trail and present a story, LE has to keep something important back in order to flush out the story teller. the 3 guys who escaped from Alcatraz, Morris and anglin brother has been unsolved for 50 years, but, nobody has come forward with a wild story of how they made it, simple reason, there names are known!!! Reportedly, the body of one of the Anglin brothers was sighted on the day they disappeared just outside the Golden Gate Bridge by a ship that was headed to the Far East. The ship couldn't stop but radioed the Coast Guard the position information. However, the Coast Guard did not have a means to go out and pick up the body at that specific time. So the body was never recovered and no evidence of the other two escapees fates was ever found. Robert99 _________________________________________________ If nobody picked up the body (the ship nor the Coast Guard), then how would they know it was one of the Anglin brothers? No body means no evidence, no confirmation of who was floating in the water. So, it's all just speculation. C'mon! MeyerLouie _________________________________________________

I guess you can guesstimate the luggage. The people getting off the plane looked like light travelers to me

well, I had to get another computer, I ran this one into the ground, it just couldn't handle what I'm throwing at it, so, I have another computer on the way next week. last couple weeks have been a problem testing wise so until the system is running with all the power needed (plus room for more!) we are at a stand still with testing. with the down time I have been able to complete the cockpit itself (see photo) the main issue was to amount of addons I put in the system, this has overloaded the weak processor and maxed out the capacity of the ram, the cost is not worth it, so in comes a new one we have most of the weather data and I'm now learning how to input it into the new software which is a task in itself (learning curve) I am hoping to have some solid data to release by the end of January, work is starting to slow down and will give me some extra time on the project. when I first thought of this, I thought it was going to be easy, boy was I wrong getting everything as close as "the real deal" takes time, so baby steps it is if we are to get it right! once the path is complete it will be recorded along with the data running right along side of it showing exactly what is going on. ( altitude,speed, longitude and latitudes and time) once the new system is up and running I will update you on our progress. Thanks for all your work and effort with the simulation. I have found it beneficial. Yyou've done amazing work thus far. Thanks. MeyerLouie

I wasn't a big fan of the Who, but I'd never rank their music as just mediocre. It's a free world though. Some folks think Beethoven was a hack. To be fair, Meyer did say "...mediocre... most of the time" So maybe even Meyer liked the Who's music on occasion. DB Cooper must have had some favorite tunes. Wonder what they were? Jo thinks she knows. 377 __________________________________________________ The Who's top 2 biggest were good. I think DB liked Peter, Paul, and Mary's "Leaving On a Jet Plane." MeyerLouie

I'm a big believer in equal time. The only folks I have a REAL problem with regarding the Cooper case aren't folks who might be wrong. It's the ones who make up stuff to suit a purpose. Not about screwing up, or making a mistake, but making stuff up. Like Marla, for example. There is a difference between seeking the truth and just using Cooper as a means to an end. I do have some pride, believe it or not. I'll be first in line to admit I've been wrong plenty of times. But I won't lie to you, either. You have to draw the line somewhere, and that seems as good a spot as any. And anyone who can't figure out the difference... On a less serious note, I posted a video to my Facebook page today. Roger Daltrey of The Who provided some great footage from a filmmaker who shot them at the Railway Hotel in 1964 when they were still The High Numbers. It's wacked. Looks like Pete Townshend is playing a hollow-body Rickenbacker through a Fender amp. Doesn't even have the strings trimmed. Keith Moon plays a Ludwig drum kit. John Entwhistle looks SO young. The first song of the three is great. Second, just so-so. Third is very good. Crazy Brits included, no charge. Full screen and major speaker volume for best results.

And yet at least some of the evidence says THERE IS dispute. I highly doubt Geoff Gray would tell outright lies regarding what the witnesses told the FBI after the hijacking. He has said publicly he was allowed to read the original reports taken down by the agents who interviewed the witnesses both in Seattle and Reno. And Gray has a different take on it entirely. I've already mentioned a list of people who, according to Gray, gave widely varying descriptions of the hijacker. For example, Robert Gregory, who saw Cooper several times during the flight and says Cooper was 'no taller than five-nine.' Or the disagreement between Tina and Flo. Tina thought he was about five ten to six feet. _________________________________________________ Blevins, go with Tina, she was with the guy for 5 hours. Flo was very shaky, as you pointed out earlier, probably already traumatized by the ordeal. Tina seemed more calm and collected -- I'd go with here assessment. MeyerLouie__________________________________________________ Flo thought taller. And other discrepencies between these witnesses. In fact, I trust the testimony of the passengers a bit better than I do the stews, because the passengers were under less stress. __________________________________________________ Blevins, this statement is a load of crap. You would trust the passengers more? Airline crews have the training and resources to deal with emergencies in flight, it's their job! Some happy-go-lucky passenger who has no motivation or reason to be observing his/her surroundings on a flight , would be more reliable than the stews?? You can't be serious! __________________________________________________ They did not know about a bomb and a hijacking, not initially. They were not quietly freaking out wondering whether they were ever going to see their families again. You keep harping on these points about the sketch being so accurate. (I think it's reasonably close, but not a photograph, as you do) I even gave you the Green River Killer example and you just ignored that. Recall: Sketches hung up everywhere in the SeaTac area, including the Seven Eleven where the killer shopped occasionally, and he was never recognized from it. Also, the Green River Task Force didn't make the connection, even though they interviewed him at the GRTF office where the sketch was hanging on the wall. Like your psychological Lucy/Peanuts based assessment of Mucklow, over the years you have created a world of pre-conceived notions. And I'm here to tell you that some of them are WRONG. This is not all your fault. It sometimes happens when you are too close to something for too long, and have too much emotional content invested in that 'something'. So, you've become a bit intractable. When I suggested that it might be difficult to judge someone's true height inside the confines of an aircraft cabin, you called it 'changing physics'. It was actually common sense. It IS easier to judge someone's height, for example, if you are standing next to them at the bus stop. If it were so easy to judge height under stress, convenience stores would not find it necessary to put those height measuring devices by the entrance doors.

Many people right after a life threatening event are essentially babbling idiots. __________________________________________________ Why the melodrama? C'mon -- Tina was not a babbling idiot right after the event. MeyerLouie

What an idiot. Like a PhD in psychology qualifies him to predict this. I wonder if he predicted the exit point and deployment altitude too. Looks like he was wrong on all fronts. Amazon would call him a "college boy". I'd be less kind. 377 I have to agree. Most shrinks will tell you they need to see someone in person, or at least a case record. Also, the limited amount of communications between the hijacker and Everyone Else doesn't reveal many clues to his personality. Example: The shrink hears that the hijacker has killed two of the hostages, shoved them out onto the tarmac, and now the plane is in the air again. Crew says he's going crazy in the back of the plane, shouting, making threats. Then you might be able to make a reasonable prediction like that. _________________________________________________ There you go again Blevins -- sure about what you just said?? MeyerLouie

__________________________________________________ You're so melodramatic Amazon. Seems to me Tina had her wits about her pretty much the whole time. She followed every one of DBC's instructions -- to the letter. The crew credited her with saving their lives. She talked to Cooper, lit his cigarettes, even joked around with him. When the money came, she asked, "Can I have some? Just kidding." When Cooper handed her a bundle of money she said, "No thanks, I'm not allowed to take tips." That hardly sounds like someone paralyzed by her fear. Tina was incapacitated by the sheer terror and peril of the moment? No way, that's ridiculous. The evidence and testimony do not support that conclusion. And I would also go out on a limb and say her testimony and descriptions afterwards were probably pretty reliable. Airline crews are trained to deal with emergency situations in flight -- that's their job. I would trust her assessment of the ordeal. This is not to say that she didn't suffer from PTSD later on. PTSD can be a delayed reaction -- weeks, even months after the fact. This is quite possible in Tina's case, and it's probably what happened. But she was on her game those 5 hours on 11/24/71 with DBC -- I have no doubts about that. MeyerLouie

Your point is well taken. My theory works if one assumes that the composite is accurate enough, and there doesn't seem to be much consensus on that. It amazes me that Tina talked to this guy for nearly 5 hours and she didn't come up with a more definitive composite. She had opporunity to study Cooper for hours. I'm just surprised the composite she came up with is not more defninitive. MeyerLouie

Uh, no. Ask Himmelsbach. Or anyone who was originally involved in the case. You should know this stuff already. Thought you were a Big Expert on Cooper. They talked to the 305 crew, some of the folks at NWA who were trying to figure everything out on the ground. General employees of the airline? No. They didn't grill the Rank and File. Hmm. Meyer Louie: People with lives forty years after the hijacking don't WANT to come forward, unless they have ulterior motives. (See: 'Marla Cooper') With real witnesses you might have to drag it out of them. Kinda sorta. _________________________________________________ Sure about that Blevins? You're not just saying something off the top of your head again, without first thinking it through? Actually, you are. Don't you ever watch 'Forensic Files'? Sometimes cold cases heat up overnight because of some new, unexpected development, years after the fact. Maybe law enforcement finds new evidence (maybe through a fingerprint or DNA hit years later, because technology has advanced enough since the commission of the crime -- old evidence takes on new life and meaning). That's a motivator -- it gets perpetrators to come forward -- the new evidence cannot be ignored. Maybe the perpetrator wasn't in the CODIS system at the time they committed the crime. Years later, they finally get arrested and fingerprinted, and they finally show up in the system -- and law enforcement finally gets a fingerprint match. Also, people come forward years later for more than just an ulterior motive. Something was found in an old box in the attic years later (a Cooper 20 -- now wouldn't that be nice??). I saw one episode where a retired agent overheard a conversation in bar 20 years after the crime was committed. Only someone who had intimate knowledge of the crime, or had actually participated in the crime, would have known that information. Broad generalizations, like you often make Blevins, are rarely true. MeyerLouie _________________________________________________

__________________________________________________ But Cooper had to talk to them to get the job in the first place. ML __________________________________________________ Don't buy it airtwardo, not even for a second. This is probably a bigger deal than some white collar office crime. He would have to virtually isolate himself from everyone, everywhere at his place of employment to have any chance of not being recalled or remembered by someone, somewhere along the way. I say the chances of that are slim to none. I used to work for the Forest Service, I went days without seeing anyone at times, but somewhere, sometime, along the way, I had to run into and interact with a somebody. MeyerLouie The only people he would need to worry about being recognized by would have been the passengers & crew of THAT particular flight... __________________________________________________ There are no others to worry about? Then he isolated himself from the world better than anyone I've ever heard of. MeyerLouie __________________________________________________ No a real stretch to see that would be highly possible. I don't know how the paperwork was handled back in '71, but today anyone working as flight or cabin crew and quite easily look up who will be working any scheduled flight a month in advance. Not to mention IF D.B. were a NWA employee... if he simply recognized anyone on-board the aircraft he would most likely abort the plan. In fact who's to say he hadn't done that on prior 'dry-runs'. __________________________________________________ It's about someone recognizing him, not the other way around. So, how about the crew he worked with? Isn't there a chance he/she/they would recognize him? And they would not be the only ones at the job site Cooper would have had to interact with? How did he get the job in the first place? He had to, initially, talk to someone(s) within the company to get the job. No man is an island, not even Cooper. Which brings to me another point: there is probably someone(s) out there who know something, and who have yet to come forward. An interesting thing to contemplate...... MeyerLouie __________________________________________________

________________________________________________ Jo, I'm wondering if anyone could forward this picture on to to Clyde Lewis. He has a facebook page, how about sending him the pic there and see what he says? Or if someone has an email address for Clyde, you could attach the pic to an email to him. MeyerLouie

Don't buy it airtwardo, not even for a second. This is probably a bigger deal than some white collar office crime. He would have to virtually isolate himself from everyone, everywhere at his place of employment to have any chance of not being recalled or remembered by someone, somewhere along the way. I say the chances of that are slim to none. I used to work for the Forest Service, I went days without seeing anyone at times, but somewhere, sometime, along the way, I had to run into and interact with a somebody. MeyerLouie

__________________________________________________ 18E, I see your point, well taken. But some of the experts on this forum, in the past, have noted that other jumpers have been just as ill-prepared as Coope was, in similar weather conditions, and managed just fine. And we really don't know what was in the bag -- maybe some thermal underwear, and that extra parachute could have been cut up and fashioned into some semblance of warm clothing. Moreover, Georger pointed earlier that the skimpy dress might have been an indication that DBC was planning to jump close to lights and civilization, that he wasn't planning on being out there all that long. And it probably wasn't that difficult for Cooper to nail the dropzone fairly closely -- after getting his bearings from his landmarks -- the city lights (which can be seen even in cloud cover -- as some experts here on the forum have noted, and others have verified that weather was not a factor that night, in terms of visibility). V23 in Washington State follows the I5 corridor, primarily. And what's in the I5 corridor? Trees, mountains, lakes, a freeway, cities, and their lights. If you know your city lights from above, it seems possible to pinpoint your location in the I5 corridor fairly closely. I used to fly often, in a previous job I had. It was always fun, in that night flight from Seattle to Portland to Seattle to look out the window of the airplane and try to identify the cities below by their lights. With a little practice, it wasn't all that hard to identify Tacoma, Centralia, Vancouver, Portland, PDX, and the Columbia River. New topic: As pointed out earlier, if the aft stairs problem was disruptive, then Cooper hid it well. He didn't seem nervous or hurried -- he didn't confront the pilots about having to take off with the aft stairs up, and he seemed pretty calm and attentive when Tina showed him how to work the aft stairs. You are correct, not demanding a particular monetary denomination is unusual. I'll have to "noodle" on that one. MeyerLouie