jaybird18c
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Ok...your exception aside...?
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In general?
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You could take it to the extreme and there are examples where "not" providing care would be more humane, however, that's not what I'm talking about. Old people requre more care and are very expensive. Would you be ok with eliminating the ones who are "too much trouble." Or...are they people just like you and me and their lives are as precious as that newborn...and if so...what about that 38 weeker...or that 24 weeker (prior to delivery)?
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Are you ok with child pornography? (I am not to be clear)
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Completely beside the point Billvon and you know it. It's simply none of your business. Stop being a busybody. Is it anyone's business if we, as a community, decide to "off" your grandmother because she's totatally dependent now on someone else (you maybe) or is costing all of us way too much money? Is her life worth more than that? She may have already passed away (like mine)...however, work with me here. If her life is/was, why?
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Depends on your perspective...naturalistic/"NDT" evolutionary worldview or creationist worldview. You should be ok with abortion at any time and for any reason from your perspective. Matter of fact, you should be ok with elliminating your (or the communities) competition at any age...since we're all ultimately just animals (squirrels tryin to get a nut, if you will). You're right...abortions occur naturally...and in great numbers. There is a biblical explanation for that. However, it is interesting that you're appealing to the idea of evil or moral absolutes. Let me ask you a question that may seem off topic. Would you consider pornography wrong...or evil, Billvon?
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Completely beside the point Billvon and you know it.
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Terminated the pregnancy? Does that mean that your wife has killed babies? Yes. She has had to make the decision to save one life over the other. Either that, or the mother would have died. Then, there would have been two deaths instead of only one. However, I am only talking about prior to viability. Reasons can include rejection, premature natural delivery without being able to adequately stop it, water breaking prematurely, baby dying for whatever reason in the uterus causing infection, etc. I'm not a Physician but there are indications for such measures...all of which are medical in nature and not of convenience. Added: uncontrolled gestational diabetes, hypertension leading to eclampsia (seizure activity, protein in urine, possible death of mother), etc. Added also: And each of those rare times haunts her every day...brings her to tears...regardless of when it occurred. Again, it's rare...but it does happen...and the physician has got to make the hard choices sometimes.
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Ok. So where are the "unborn violent felons" deserving of being put to death?
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Not sorted out. Just legalized murder. Just because something is legal does not make it moral...necessarily.
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Every OB/GYN Physician you'll speak to learned in Med School that when dealing with a pregnant patient, there are really two patients you're taking care of. What about the baby and it's choice?
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Prior to 24 weeks, the lungs aren't fully developed, and the baby will most likely die. Removal would kill the baby. The same as if, after delivery, you just leave the baby exposed, unfed, unprotected...it will also die on its own. It relies on the mother for survival in both cases.
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My wife has had to order and perform procedures which terminated the pregnancey for life of the mother issues. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the majority of reasons which are mostly for reasons of convenience.
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That reasoning includes late term abortion. So it doesn't become a baby worth saving until it clears the birth canal or when it's delivered by c-section? Really?
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That is exactly what I am doing! I don't deny that.
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The baby inside her is not one of her reproductive organs. It's a baby. The fact that it relies on her for survival is beside that point. It relies on her or someone else for survival after it's born also. This is not a governmental control issue like whether or not we should even have an EPA. This is a life issue. A human life issue.
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Kallend...is it a baby in the womb or not. I know you could cite me the technical terms of development (zygote, blastocyst, embryo, fetus, etc before it's born and is called an neonate) but that's not what I mean. Be serious Kallend... Do you know when it becomes a human child? Does anyone? Just because the baby is dependent on the mother for survival prior to delivery is no justification for murder...if it is really a baby (which I see as absurd to think otherwise...especially if you've ever looked at an ultrasound). I think your rationalization is one of convenience rather than reality....just like the vast majority of reasons women get abortions. Question: If you were a physician, would you/could you perform abortions? I'm speaking of elective abortions without life of the mother issues. If so, then I guess that establishes your position on the value of life. If not, why not?
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What, in your opinion, is a baby guilty of deserving of being killed in comparison with a prisoner guilty of a capital crime?
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So would it be ok for someone to go ahead and kill you off since we're so overpopulated or does that only refer to everyone else or at least those who can't speak up for or defend themselves? The lack of value you seem to place on human life is disturbing.
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So, you would support an abortion up to the point the baby pops out? No...I think Kallend says until it has a social security number.
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He did that. Along with their parents. My Granddad fought to liberate some of those camps. So you're a supporter of Hitler when he killed Jewish babies? How about their parents?
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So, it's not a baby until when? Until it's born and is issued a SSN? Really? Seriously Kallend, it's not a baby?
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"It's okay to kill a baby in the womb when ________?" (Excluding the preservation of the life of the mother scenarios mentioned before.)
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A very ignorant response.
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Did you know that the Roman Catholic Church assisted many of the Nazi war criminals involved in the Holocaust to escape (mostly to South America) after WWII, and that the Pope (Puis XII) was almst certainly aware of it. Nice Christians. You do know that you're talking to a protestant...right? Are you saying that Catholics aren't Christians? Depends on if you're talking about the individual or the organized religion. Anyone who has placed their faith in Jesus Christ alone for their salvation and isn't relying on their own works, Catholic or not, is saved. If you're referring to them, I say yes. If you're referring, however, to strict followers of the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church, which is very much faith + works based (e.g. the doctrine of the Pope), then I would say no. They aren't Christian...they're Catholic....and they'll tell you that if you ask them.
