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It's that damn rap music and video games, ummm, I mean it's people with mental health issues....errr....I mean it's Islam. Sorry, lost track of what the latest fad is to blame the hordes of gun deaths on. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Yup, they need to keep you in the decision making process. Seem like they both value you but your current employer shouldn't go over your head. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

RIP Tom Magliozzi. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

I see the the extremism within some secs of Islam as something similar to what occurred during the inquisition and witch trials in Christian history. The faith and its interpretation in some countries lags by hundreds of years. There are women getting stoned to death, mercy killings, executions for immorality. On the other hand there are people who wish to flee that persecution but maintain their cultural faith. That is the similarity I see to the roots of this country when so many fled religious persecution. Our country has laws separating religion and state to define what is permissible. I'm not concerned with Muslims coming to the US and setting up a Sharia State. I'm not worried about turning into the Islamic States of America. They make up 1% of our population, we are a secular country. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Actually, not sure why I said No so I guess I look foolish. I'm not sure what "make up face that" means. Anyway, is yelling "Muslims!" every time a bomb goes off helping anything? "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

If you use Allen West as a source, it's most likely a source of bogus information (aka lies): www.politifact.com/personalities/allen-west/statements/ The Allen West thing was more of a joke. He's the guy who Republicans reference when they're trying to blow everyone's mind that a black man is saying things they agree with. I saw that article and just thought...wow, they think 30% is OK. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

No, it's just irrelevant and counterproductive to both relations with Muslim immigrants and the investigation. Many cases in the past where even profilers came in and said to look for a specific type of person or even had an individual singled out just to discover we're barking up the wrong tree. At the Boston bombing a brown skinned person almost got attacked by a mob because everyone has the mentality, "Get the Middle Eastern Man". So, it wasn't a bomb, and the suspect isn't Muslim? And he had olive colored skin and black hair. Let's make sure we keep the list straight for future reference. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Serious - quit your whining for getting called out for shoveling shit. Somehow you missed the part when I defended the main thesis, and gave you non crappy data points to use instead. Upgrade. Haha, yeah, I figured posting data would result in more discussion of the data than anything about being scared of skittles...I mean people. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

No, it's just irrelevant and counterproductive to both relations with Muslim immigrants and the investigation. Many cases in the past where even profilers came in and said to look for a specific type of person or even had an individual singled out just to discover we're barking up the wrong tree. In this case it wouldnt be barking up the wrong tree -- the attacker was clearly inspired by his religion to carry out the act. In the long run, pussyfooting around the issue is less helpful than confronting it. The attacker was inspired by Extremists/Terrorists who are Muslim, still not validation to make a test of faith for those seeking entry to the country. That what you have to confront. There are 3.3 million Muslims in the US, there are 1.6 Billion in the world. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

"There are approximately 11 US Citizens (Not soldiers or those engaged in warfare) killed on average yearly in any 10 year period by acts of terrorism leaving out 9/11 fatalities. With them it's 172 deaths per year. " You introduce bad statistics as the primary support of your argument and then say you're not going to have a discussion about statistics? Yup. Because I wasn't trying to draw exact figures just show a comparison between numbers of people getting killed. I'm sorry that you care more about that than the people getting killed. So just leave out what you put in bold so it's just a yearly average and we'll say you win the internet today. ;) "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Hippies. Love 'em but here isn't enough Patchouli to cover the smell of unwashed white-boy dreds. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Do you have another source for that? I think we've been over it a few times as to how shitty of a website that is. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Right on! Statistics is a mathematical process to lie and manipulate. Only TV SciFi characters make decisions solely on statistics. SC is an emotional forum and a place for venting. The bottom line is that people decide based on how they feel. When you bring statistics into the argument you just make others frustrated and they have to vent to a higher level of intensity. Intelligent people learn to express emotions in a socially acceptable manner not justify their emotion with statistics. I get your point but showing that a higher percentage of black people per capita or whatever the fuck doesn't mean you should grab your purse (or pull out a gun) every time you see a black man. Blind statistics doesn't look at the circumstances surrounding an issue when it comes to human actions. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

No, it's just irrelevant and counterproductive to both relations with Muslim immigrants and the investigation. Many cases in the past where even profilers came in and said to look for a specific type of person or even had an individual singled out just to discover we're barking up the wrong tree. At the Boston bombing a brown skinned person almost got attacked by a mob because everyone has the mentality, "Get the Middle Eastern Man". "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

You guys gotta stop with this statistics bullshit. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

I won't take people with dreds on tandems. I will vomit on that unwashed mess of bullshit. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Whatever she says she saw him do. Not my words. I looked around, there's a couple of police chiefs saying they think she shot accidentally. After she pulled the trigger it's just words coming from her mouth. They found PCP in the car, they'll probably find a little in him and they still have him on video not complying and then bringing his hands come down when he's next to the door. If you're black and have a gun pointed at you that's a death sentence, they just need to file the paperwork to make it look good. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

I think that's exactly what it was too. Anyone who hasn't popped off an accidental round on the range hasn't been shooting very much. Add in a shitload of stress, sweaty hands, something startles you and it's real easy to squeeze of a round. She's saying she reacted to him reaching in because she know she fucked up. Her lawyer, the union, her boss, etc will never let her say otherwise. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

I was actually using a 20 year span with the numbers referencing terrorist killings. Of course a smaller span would cause 9/11 numbers to skew to a very high number, which is why I posted it both ways. Correcting a little bit, 13 per year without 9/11, 158 with. https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_AmericanTerrorismDeaths_FactSheet_Oct2015.pdf Again, I'm seriously not going to have a discussion about statistics, I'm making a point about people losing their shit over the Muslim Hordes when there are many things within our borders that are actually unjustifiably or unnecessarily killing Americans. Hell, there are more skydiving fatalities in the US than there are victims of terrorist attacks. Here's the article from AllenWest.com. I thought it was interesting to quote because he's a big go-to with Right Wing Conservatives and this article seems to say that a rate of 30% deaths is OK. Wow. I think we all know that 30% is probably way off. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

How many unjustifiable shootings can you cite? Not shootings, which we best know to be in the high hundreds per year. The (too high) number of actual police murders may well not exceed the number killed in SB. San Francisco's board of supervisors had a day honoring Mario Woods who was shot by police, holding a knife. The fucker actually stabbed someone (random) with it shortly before. It was perfectly justified shooting to most citizens of SF. Multiple rounds of bean bags and pepper spray were used first. That's very easy information to bring up. Glad you asked. There are approximately 1000 people killed by police each year by police. Allen West, who you may know is fairly conservative sites that 70% are justifiable meaning that 300 deaths are not. I think that number of 300 people is high, other sources say that 91% are justifiable leaving 90 deaths per year. There are approximately 11 US Citizens (Not soldiers or those engaged in warfare) killed on average yearly in any 10 year period by acts of terrorism leaving out 9/11 fatalities. With them it's 172 deaths per year. So a comparison of low vs high for unjustified police shootings: 90 deaths to 300 deaths. For terrorist deaths: 11 deaths to 172 deaths. These numbers are not drawn up to prove some sort of perfect data point but to draw a comparison of rational fears and actual threats. Trump's platform and that of much of the GOP calls for an unprecedented departure from our Constitutional laws of equality in regards to religion and country of origin. In the meantime there is little or no outrage from the same group of people about the actual yearly death toll racked up by our own police. And we don't even need to shut the borders to address police shootings. Hell, from the way the numbers play out it appears as though we should employ Middle Eastern immigrants as police officers since it appears that even those who intend to do us harm are doing a shitty job at killing us. They're like the fucking Storm Troopers of the bad guy world and can't hit a target. I don't know what "SB" is. I don't know who Mario Woods is but I'm not going to talk about an allegory. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

And you've have to eat over 3 BILLION Skittles to get the same risk of dying from a toxic one as the risk of being killed by a refugee. You'd die of diabetes first. Maybe that's the secret that skittles is trying so hard to keep from us. It's all a conspiracy. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

I don't know what happened before the video that resulted in multiple squad cars rushing to the scene along with a frickin' helicopter BUT......::: If cops have their guns pointed at you. Keep the hands up, don't move, don't walk away, and..... DON'T FUCKING REACH INTO YOUR CAR!!! ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE BLACK!!! And no, I'm not trying to justify the 840-1000 police shootings each year, no way. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

So where does this leave us with Trump's call to arms to ban all muslims from entering the country and getting tough on "them"? At this point each year within our borders there are more US citizens unjustifiably shot by police than there are US citizens killed by terrorist acts. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Read the Koran and get back to me on quite what is the difference in this case. Islam makes the followers of Charlie Manson appear thoughtful and well adjusted by comparison. Literal or incorrect interpretations or failure to understand the context of a religious text have led to many wars and human atrocities. They are also the basis of much of the morality by which we live. I'll make no claim that one is better than another just that there having been raised Muslim does not make someone a terrorist. I've been friends with, worked with, and have dated Muslims. They did not chop off my head, although the girl I dated was pretty bombing. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

As opposed to blind Americans???? Anyway, had the title had Catholic in it, you would have been drooling in agreement......... You can still be afraid of terrorists without advocating against the 1.6 Billion Muslims who aren't terrorists. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher