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Not fer nuttin, but Shields are supposed to be held between you & the threat. She wasn't THAT obese. He even held perfectly still for them. I'm guessing the guy isn't the brightest bulb in the pack. Hey, wait a sec... It happened in Colorado, & no one has bashed legalized Pot, yet ?!

I was referring to gross negligence. IMO, gunning someone down because they irritated you, is gross negligence of office...

"He didn't say 'give him a pass.' He said, give him the same punishment as you would any other guy with a CCW that (if proven) inexcusably used a gun to kill someone for a social faux paux." Perhaps a misunderstanding. I meant "Free Pass" in the sense that the shooter's many years of ethical training & resposibilities should be forgotten. Articles like this come to mind: [Url]http://cantonohio.gov/police/?pg=316[/url]

"aside to your comment - I 'expect' better behavior from the guy with training. But, I would want us to punish him for a transgression exactly the same as someone without the training that did the exact same thing. So, I don't consider that 'holding' him to a higher standard - which, to me, implies how we respond to failures, in addition to our expectations." Sorry, but I disagree. Police Officers are peace officers. They're supposed to spend many hours learning how to maintain that peace. They're trained to calm tense situations down, & de-escalate confrontations. The guns on their hips should always be last resorts. There were any number of ways that this jerk could've enforced that vital policy of no cell phone use in the theater. He grossly mishandled the situation. He took someone's life. Someone without the benefit of all that training would know not to do what he did. A retired police Chief w/oodles of training should definitely have behaved far better. This is inexcusable. He has probably spent his retirement years re-reading old Jeff Cooper articles, & watching John Wayne reruns ... Can't see why you'd want to give him a pass. Do you not believe in any Tort Laws, as well? If a Surgeon botches a repair on you, & leaves you disabled. Do you think he should've had no more knowledge & experience than a layman?

Butter can be a heart stopper Actually, it can do more than that to you: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/09/popcorn-lung-lawsuit-nets-7-2m-award/ http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/respiratory/popcorn-lung.htm As far as the shooting goes. It's indefensible. Old Fool w/a gun... He was a former Police Chief. Yet, he couldn't de-escalate a simple confrontation like this?? Sure sounds like he intentionally took a life. Hope they don't go soft on him because he's old. Throw him in Prison for life. That's second degree murder. Ex-POs are not allowed to murder people. No matter how insecure they happen to be feeling on any given day...

You're locked onto obesity as being the cause. I view it as a symptom. You say that obesity is killing all those people. I see plenty of thin people dying just as young. IMHO, it's stress that's killing people so young. Stress from low wages, long hours at work, & a loss of hope. Less educated People make poor choices in food, smoking, substance abuse, & other life choice areas. Combine that w/the American Grinder, & people are dying younger. Obesity is only one aspect of that. "But what sort of nurse is not aware that a diet high in sodium promotes weight gain?" I never said that. You did. You're wrong in pinning all of the blame on obesity (or, is it edema?). It's clear to me, as I'm sure it is to others reading this. You go ahead, & continue your rant, though. I don't need the last word. I'm done w/this.

Clearly, you are far more trusting of Bureaucrats than I. They'll sell more to make more? Not if no one is buying, they won't. Your theory already hasn't held up in the area of premiums paid, then raised, & raised again. Don't know you, or why you have this faith in proven liars. Nor, do I bear you any malice. I think you're going to eat those words you've typed. Had you typed them a year ago, you'd have already eaten a steady diet of crow. More of the same will follow. If/after the ACA becomes more entrenched, more promises will evaporate. It's what lying Thieves do. It's they're bread N butter...

It's more than just that. If you are not aware of how a diet high in sodium influences weight gain, then you need to seek out information as to why this happens. And it's not a gender issue. It effects both sexes. You want to lecture a Nurse on basic nutrition?? Clearly, you're being argumentative for its own sake. You're wrong. Don't want to admit it? Fine w/me, & I'm sure most others, here. Carry on...

Guess what causes obesity? ROFLMAO What causes Obesity? Eating more calories than you burn... Plenty of poor Women work themselves into early graves, eating poor quality food. They can barely afford enough to eat, & die skinnier than you. Obesity doesn't have to have the slightest thing to do w/it. All the poor Waifs & Wenches from pre-industrial western countries would stare w/envy @rich, obese people. They too, couldn't afford enough to eat, & died thin. I wonder if your great, great, grand father was among them, blaming it all on obesity ?

Who knows what the hell may happen in a year, as for right now, it's covered. No need to be profane. Who knows? Us, if we look at what else has happened w/that law. Right now, it's covered? Great. The ACA has reneged on prior financial commitments. We'll see if your free anal probing turns out being something else you're billed for, after the fact. I just read another article this morning about how far too few Twenty-somethings are signing up. They are the demographic that would make your poop chute pix "Free"...

"The doctor told me that now, due to the ACA, I won't pay a penny due to it being preventative." Given the shifting sands of ACA economics in all other areas, I can see this one evaporating, too. We'll see if you get billing invoices over the next twelve months...

No. Here, YOU are making it one. That Article cites several possible causes. Obesity is never named in the article. Lots of thin, poorly educated, high sodium/highly processed/low nutritive value food eating Women also die young.

I'm no instructor, & I've heard differing delays taught at other DZs. That being said. I was taught to pitch the PC on the count of three, regardless of stability. Enough to make sure you've cleared the plane. That student H&Ps were training for aircraft emergencies (bailing out). That you probably won't be stable, but to throw the PC anyway. I got yelled at for waiting another few seconds until stable, on my first try. It takes ten seconds to fall the first 1,000 feet. Your first H&P will be from 5500 feet. You'll have plenty of altitude left. Talk to your AFFIs. You'll be fine.

"You, my friend, need a jump to conclusions mat." ...

"Could the rise in obesity have anything to do with this trend? Obesity has been described as approximately 10% genetics, 10% physical activity and about 80% diet. We choose what we eat. If we choose poorly, if we eat all the wrong foods, we gain weight and our health suffers." Foolish People are still making their foolish choices, same as always. That doesn't account for this shift. Clearly, it's something else.

"I'm having trouble seeing what would cause the stress that would result in this injury. Usually, it is caused by repetitive upward / outward pushing." That's not the only cause. This Sport is hard on shoulders. For example, I very rarely do linked exits for this reason, & won't even attempt free fly. Rough tumbles on the ground from the occasional bad landing. Colliding w/other Jumpers in freefall. Calcium deposits on the Acromion. It all adds up, over time. Young Guys in their Twenties get them, too. It happens. Follow your P/T exercise regimen, & strengthen that joint. That will be your best protection.

Weigh yourself, before & after .

bullshit, you've been nothing but argumentative in this thread. You confuse a moral judgement with a simple statement of fact. Hard to help you there. Many drug makers will not sell product that will be used for executions. Many doctors, if not most, would have objections to doing to sort of research necessary to test drugs for lethal injection. And many people, both voters and legislators, oppose the principle of an eye for an eye. Whether you think they are wrong or sanctimonious is irrelevant - the fact that they will not participate is a technical barrier. Jeebus... What, are you smoking that Kelp?? I have not been argumentative. I simply don't agree w/you. The Drugs don't need to be tested anymore than they already are. Lethal doses are determined before the Drugs are brought to market. Some of the larger Pharm companies distance themselves from the DP? OK. There are plenty of smaller Drug manufacturers in the lesser parts of the world who won't have those qualms. I addressed this in a prior reply. Many People oppose the DP? OK. Many People don't, too. This thread isn't about that. It's not about you catching an attitude w/me, either. Go fight w/someone else...

Wonder if they can see the cloud from the International Space Station ??

Ten most corrupt? Hell, I bet there aren't ten non-corrupt Pols on the entire Hill...

I wasn't aware that I made any statement at all about Big Pharm here. You may have imagined this. You cherry-picked the wrong quote to take a jab at me. This is the quote that directly answered your question: "Any drug from those categories can be substituted. Some might work a little better, or be cheaper, but they'll all get the job done. It's not drug efficacy." My comments on Big Pharm are not rants. I'm simply stating facts to support my opinion. Ultimately, I've been answering the OP's query, not yours. If you reply to me, and say that I gave someone moral superiority, it's hardly a stretch to believe you were in fact talking to me. Here's your moral high ground: "...complicated by the fact that a number of people and drug makers refuse to participate." Really don't care enough to argue about it. Enjoy your Kelp...

I wasn't aware that I made any statement at all about Big Pharm here. You may have imagined this. I've been seeking legal input here, not angry rants about drug makers, which is really not relevant to this discussion. You cherry-picked the wrong quote to take a jab at me. This is the quote that directly answered your question: "Any drug from those categories can be substituted. Some might work a little better, or be cheaper, but they'll all get the job done. It's not drug efficacy." My comments on Big Pharm are not rants. I'm simply stating facts to support my opinion. Ultimately, I've been answering the OP's query, not yours.

W/some of things Big Pharm does, moral highground is unattainable for them. The market for DP drugs is very small, though. Perhaps they feel it's not worth the risk for something so high profile? There are mickey mouse pharm operations in all corners of the globe. Plenty of places to get the required drugs...

I bet the annual conventions are a real riot! Dinosaurs in glass houses shouldn't throw stones ...

I responded to a different subject line . . . please keep up.