Zenister

grrrr i wish i could have kittens again..(ok that wasnt right, but its too funny to retype) but work keeps me travelling to often... had to tell a friend i couldnt keep her ying & yang persians...(who are very cool cats) for her while she wanders this summer... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

oooo ooooo ooo! can we start on the nature of time too?? that will bring the more scientfic minds in and we'll really stir the pot. We're pretty close already when you get into predestination v freewill anyway... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

you were already there..keep going down the road of "outside space time (x,y,z,t)" particluarly since your already discussing the nature of god.. the difficult thing in this particular argument is that both sides rarely can agree on defined terms..which makes things rather circular... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i agree it only thru discussion of opposing veiw points that one can really determine what anyone actually thinks.. i'll discuss anything with anyone who can keep an open mind. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

heh..soon we'll have to discuss the "fortunate fall" with a sideline into the shroud of turin and the ramifcations of faith with physical proof..

oh come on your going to tell me you never annoyed anyone by breaking every acronym down phonetically in the middle of a conversation?? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

same people who cant grasp the concept of 'zero' so they say "naught" instead ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Ted's cousin... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

lol... actually the problem with this whole argument is you (both) are trying to use logic to define that which cannot be defined logically.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

as part of the rest of the word yes.. for Z to be pronounce 'zed' you would have to say drop-zed-oon btw the correct pronunciation of DZ is delta- zulu ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i think i'll watch this part...i've been round and around this one many times before, and there are several holes in both side of the argument.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

you have no idea how hard a time i had keeping a straight face in basic..or how smoked i got when i couldnt..DI's are like a comedy routine..only most dont realize it.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

so when you say the whole word you say "dropzoned"? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

watching a spider crawl up the wall no real reason to be here at all and the skies are all cloudy all day... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Biker Babe is an officer too, so she could give you a different perspective.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

congrates! i was going to say make sure they give you a good one..seemed like after about 700 rounds the military issue M9s needed a new barrel..we had one in our armory that was pretty much an indirect fire weapon at anything over 10 meters.. was fun to give it to the new lt's ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

well you could get a call from your government rep saying the proposal to update wasnt accepted so you'll have to incorporate a 10 year old legacy system written in ADA ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Basic is a joke, and Boot (AF version) is even easier.. Basic training is simply the largest game of "simon says" ever played...if you remember that its a breeze.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

and of course not meant as an attack at all did you pray for her soul that she would repent from her heathen veiws? or did you respect the fact that she has her own belief system as well developed and deeply meaningful to her as yours is to you? most christians (again in my experience) take the former route, and refuse to accept that there might be more under the sun than is dreamt of in their philosophies.. apologies if my words come off as 'snide' to you..they arent meant that way, its a disadvatange of a text forum. They are meant to help you do exactly what i've said several times..break the vase you were given and remake it for yourself, no matter what form it assumes then it will come from you and not from someone elses dogma (even if that makes up a part of the one you create for yourself) as i said if youd like we can start another thread specifically about christianity, you are mistaken if you think i am not very well versed in some of the deeper aspects & reasonings of its theology, both historically and morally when your 'reasons' apply & have been expressed by multiple belief systems from a wide variety of cultures... i didnt just decide christianity was wrong and threw it away..as i've said the only serious issue i have with your religion is the THIS PATH AND NO OTHER aspect..and that is fundamentally a form of control. "Only my church, my savior, my god has the answers you seek come to me.." (and give me your allegance, your money and your children, but that might be taken as a snide comment.) I have not defined control as narrowly as you seem to be, and perhaps recognize it it forms you do not, or do not mind. that again is your perogative, i'm not tell you how to live, how to believe or how to worship, christians ARE telling me exactly that... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Dang it were you hitting on the female instructors again...or the packers? LOL couldnt have been the packers..he wouldnt have eyes to read the forum with... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i think we need a few pictures...

see here your already starting to get into christian thelology..that which holds that God is sperate and aloof from his creation, that we need an intermediary to reach her...this intermediary was once the priests, then evolved into christ, but i never understood why anyone would find such 'middle men' necessary or desirable.. the only reasoning i can find is that of control..."god says do this" they never have been for me, why would i pretend they were...and yes if you were wondering, my mother was asked not to bring me to sunday school anymore..i confused to many of the other kids who were oblivious to the 'jesus loves me' cult being poured in their ears by well meaning adults.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i'm not an 'ist' anything. name aside trying to box the infinite into tangible human words is exactly how religions begin and fail..god is by nessesity indefinable..to attempt to do so only exposes the limits of human thought... far better to experience than to attempt to break it down into small easily digestible bits... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i believe he does, i will argue even more vehemently with atheists who say he doesnt, what i do not believe is the dogma that says "THIS and only THIS way will i reveal myself to you"..when direct experience tells me otherwise.. touch her hand everytime you leave the plane, feel his breath in the wind off the ocean, hear the throb of her heart as you plunge beneath the waves...the message, the word (and far more than any single religions version of it) is out there...it simply requires you to look, without blinders, of ANY nature...it is SOOOO easy, open your eyes and breath....and yet every major religion puts up theological barriers to the direct experience of divinity..hoops you need to jump thru before god will speak to you..a means of controlling how you think and believe.. marx was right in this reguard, television has suplanted it as the opiate of choice in the modern world not sure where or why you think this is part of my 'theology' this is simple social observation...do you go to church??? why? why do you think most people go?? have you asked??met any baptists? methodists? in some demominations the social ascpects are very obvious..and very much the means by which they keep their sheep interested and attending....(and yes STILL) uses them as a means of control, a way to pass culture and mores from one generation to the next, a way of passing those same mores on to other cultures you veiw as heathen, these are all forms of social control..and can be observed right now...go turn on your TV to any televanglist...and see how the sheep are led by the modern church, the only difference is we live in a country, an age where the church is no longer allowed to press its beliefs on others by force, but you can see from the rethoric it still wishes it could..it has just become more subtle, and must use marketing now instead of violence.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

lol... i very nearly got thrown out of college for exactly that..slightly drunk one night walking out of the art studios "jeph" grabbed me across the neck (we did the same sort of thing, some of the ambushes were epic) and threw him across the foyer..well jeph knew how to roll, this guy (one of the baseball players who had a rather loud argument with me about his ex girlfriend several days before) did not and broke his arm and 3 ribs when he hit the concrete pillar and the floor.. both of us ended up in front of the dean, and the baseball coach was livid, but since there were 2 witnesses outside that saw him grab me... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.