Zenister

perhaps not, but i base my generalizations on my experience of christianity & christians, and i've met far more hypocrites and church lady types than i have true believers, those who have questioned and evaluated their faith, and come back to a core belief...most of those who have will freely admit that there is quite a bit of the 'word of man' written into what is touted as the 'word of god' and that makes a great deal of the dogma suspect even if there are universal truths contained there as well. Spirituality is one thing, religion is primarily a means of social control if you want to start another thread we can certainly discuss the contradictions inherent in christianity & catholicism (and its sources even your fundamental myth..ie the resurrection theme appears elsewhere first, and far earlier as well..) try not to take offence at the word myth. it applies to all beliefs but yes, if you try to tell me that every word, every sentence of the book you call bible is true, the divinely inspired word of god uninterrupted by man and the culture it came thru, then i will file you as gullible sheep. i dont think your saying that, but it is VERY difficult for most christians to accept that the will of man has a great deal to do with how their religion evolved..or accept that the "word" of god might be present in EVERYTHING and therefore offers alternate routes to divinity, than the one they have chosen. its part of the 'belonging' need of humans, the desire to feel and say "we are better than they are.." ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

my understanding is that all privileges will remain attached to the numbers, not the license..ie license to compete will be the C 200 jumps not 500 for the new D. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

amplification. most symphonies just dont have the low end i really want to feel.. amplified cellos are like the physical voice of god. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

it doesnt irritate me at all..i care nothing for what you chose to believe, your life, your faith and your soul are yours to determine..what irrates me is the arrogance you have to tell me i cant be right because you dont think that way... i dont think your a fool at all if you follow the path you believe to be correct, instead of following one someone tells you is correct. you seem to think that the majority of my statements apply to YOU. I do not know that they do, you have to look at your own behavior to determine that, i have never met you..my statements DO apply to the majority of christians i have met (and i have met quite a few) most people want to be told what to do, how to do it, what to believe, no thought required..your religion names them correctly.. sheep. if you'd like sometime we can start (another we've done it before) another thread about exactly how 'consistant' the christian faith has been.. (you have to include ALL the religious beliefs incorporated into the current evolution of your faith..) Christians like to pretend it hasnt evolved, but like everything else it has.. all i KNOW is what i experience, i question my experience continually to test my assumptions about it..and it has thus far led me to where i am, which has nothing to do with the carpenter you worship. Which of course does not make your belief false, it means that it is not true FOR me..you (christians) are the one who claims there can only be one truth for everything.. to me that is a very narrow way of thought, it does not fit with my knowledge and experience, intellectually, physically, emotionally, spiritually, so i reject it FOR MYSELF...i never presume to tell anyone about the nature of their own unprovable attitudes on divinity.. and that is the fundamental difference.. i didnt have to spend anything..i was given it all the day i was born into this wonderous creation, to play and laugh and love...culture gave me a vessel to put experience in..created and molded by others before i knew how to create one myself, to be come self aware it is nessesary to break that vessel and create it anew..for some it may look much as it did before, for others once they realize there is more than they have been told all their lives..it may become something wonderfully different.. god doesnt hide from anyone, you just have to open yourself to see...why would i ever look to another mans mind for god??? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

no idea i havent been fishing since i lived in FL.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

isnt there a "fish for all" day soon? no license required? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

havent met Jeanne yet so i'll have to take your word for it.. I was only speaking of height anyway..i thought Kerri was taller than that..seems like it.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

well if i'm not going to your hell (and i'm not, dont worry on that issue) then why pray for me? that my "eyes would be opened" to see the world the way you do? wont happen. I prefer to experience things without filters.. but you HAVE adopted another mans dogma, why is that offensive? you went looking (if you went looking many dont, they never question the faith they were indoctrinated with) for god and found her in the words of other men. I went looking for god and found him out in the world, thru my own experiences, with my own eyes..then i went back to see what other men said..if their experience agreed with my i accept it (much of the basic christian theology does..right up until you get to the ONLY path part) when it is arbitrary and contrary to my direct experience of divinity, when it is obviously written with a cultural or political adjenda apart from that of enlightenment, i throw it away i KNOW my generalizations dont apply to everyone (i guess you missed the part where i said some of the BEST people i know are christian) but as soon as you begin to "pray for my salvation" it applies to YOU, because you are now saying that what i know to be true, have experienced directly again and again, personally, the communion i seek everytime i throw myself into the sky, or play on the waves.. is false. and you couldnt be more mistaken. Have I ever said you are ignorant? deceived? Wasting your Sundays? Following a blind path to nothingness? Of course not… why is it so hard to accept that there is more than one path to divinity? oh yeah, your dogma tells you there isnt. break your vase.. [I]actually the quote is from a song by Wolfsheim. it just fits..darkness doesn’t frighten me, I walk those paths regularly and find god under the moonlight and in the depths as well…[/I] you missed the important part… “darkness is a state of mind….” ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

how many freestylists does it take to change a light bulb? one. she just flys in place and lets the world revolve around her ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

actually i think both Kerri and Corina are over 6' at Kapowsin..

yes i have been arguing this for the majority of my adult (and a good portion of my childhood) life. My sunday school teachers were appalled when i told them i wasnt guilty of any 'original sin" and did not think i should be made to feel quilty because of it. I have never been separated from God and certainly do not need a blood sacrifice to redeem myself.. after the first thousand christians tell me how sorry they are i'm going to hell and will pray for my soul i tend to get a bit irate.. if you feel the need to retreat into another mans dogma that is fine and good, but dont tell me i'm damned or 'decieved by the enemy' because i do not need it to have a personal relationship with the divine.. however i also have some very good friends and mentors who are devot christians and do not judge me based on the fact i cannot believe their myths. I have had many long discussions into the wee hours with them about philosophy and spirituality, Dr Rohlig has even agreed that the majority draw of the christian faith is in the social support structure, and the sense of belonging it gives, some people need that, some people do not, and others still use it as a means to separate themselves and make themselves feel 'better' than those who dont belong.. ie the "church lady" mentality. i have no issues with your religion at all. Its fundamental basis (love thy neighbor, do unto others etc..) is undisputably the best way to live ones life, however it is certainly not unique or original to the christian culture. well wishes are always welcome, however if your prayers include "help this sinner to find the way to your light" you can keep them to yourself.. as i have my own path to follow and it has nothing to do with your mythos... "darkness is a state of mind, i can go where you would stumble" ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

if your flying with HDers you can also try decreasing the size of your sit..bring your legs in tight together...there are a couple of little floaty girls i jump with who pretty much have to fly this way all the time...be aware this is less stable as well.. stand tranistions are pretty easy..go out and do some drill dives..transition to a stand and work on 360's solo.. for 2 ways you can work on forward and backwards motion...its mostly in the hips... "hanging ten" gives you some serious forward drive and is a fun way to flock ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i think he means "possibly" killing people Q. pushing the envelop in ways that risks peoples lives who are completely unaware that its being done.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

ive been dragging my feet on another night jump and water training..hopefully i can get them knocked out before then, but its not a huge deal if i dont.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

and many of us have nothing to repent for...since we dont subscribe to your belief system.. this is exactly the "looking down your nose" attitude i find so arrogant in many christians.. how many of you would consider putting that "in case of rapture this vehicle will be unmanned" bumper sticker on your car?? arent arrogance and presumption two of your sins as well?? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

my vote would be for Lisa...and i agree on the legs... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

amen.. i wish more people would apply that reasoning to more issues... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

I like Lisa Kudrow..but how about Kim Bassinger? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

you forgot hook turns and tiny canopies ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

wow i cant believe you've left out the amazon couple..Lew & Cajones. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Jean Reno The Professional is one of my top 10 favorite flicks.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

lol..as soon as you can tell me who Popicca (theres no metal in it) is qouting (because they certainly didnt think that up on thier own..) I might start participating in your debate..however you've already posted a great deal of misinformation and commonly repeated myths about the issue so you'd better start over and do a bit more historical research first.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

if you only knew..but its not my job to enlighten you so... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

AMEN! i believe!b ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

So I take it your not in the habit of seeing people standing on beaches in wetsuits with a Santa Claus hat on, acting stupid??? Nowwhere but Cal. lots of places besides cali...you should get out more... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.