Zenister

so would this count as a A or an O? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

you should always practice the moves you dont do well naturally instead of relying on the ones that come easy to you... you'll be a better flier and have ALOT more flexibility if you dont hamstring yourself by prefering the moves, angles methods, that come easily and neglecting the directions, limbs, motions etc that you have difficulty with... if i were you I'd make it a point to do right cartwheels until there was little to no difference in the ease and accuracy of performance... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

actually it is improperly disposed ordinance and depending on your jurisdiction you can be arrested for possessing it... there was a case in AL while i was in high school where a national guardsman had made a waterpipe out of an expended LAW... then made the mistake of showing it around to all his buddies... what i wondering is iirc LAW's haven’t been used by the US army for awhile... i'd doubt it was fired at Ft. Drum recently, and its pretty obvious when they've been expended, particularly if its pointing at you.... I'd laugh at someone who pointed an expended LAW cartridge at me ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

did you hear about the reunion tour? they've decided to adjust the name though.. they are going to tour as INmodR8N... there is also rumors of an unreleased 'swing' album ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/farscape/ muppets have gotten pretty cool... but Claudia Black always has me on the edge of the seat....grrr baby very grrr... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

pretty much required by the heavy camera sets up don’t you think?? but what is an 'acceptable margins of error' will differ for every individual. is out there, more people are flying high performance canopies successfully than not, its up to every jumper to seek that next level of training, we don’t need more regulation to make it mandatory any more than we need to make swooping or skydiving mandatory. Its a decision you make for yourself. the training is certainly available more so than ever before as the demand for it increases...but mistakes, and accidents will still occur. 30 fatalities? out of 30,000ish participants? making 3,000,000 (and rising apparently) jumps a year? seems like skydivers are doing a pretty good job of getting trained and jumping safely in rising numbers without a written requirement to dictate the manner in which you they do so once they are licensed. unfortunately high volume dropzones and those who are near them will see fatalities and injuries more frequently.....as a result of increased volume, and which makes each death no less painful to those near it.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

oh wow! you mean you can actually seek additional training on your own!!!??? what a novel idea, i wonder why more independent thinkers dont try that??? oh yea.. someone needs to force them to learn, just what we need, more skydiving sheep... Clay will be happy at least.. if you werent being taught about risers and flat turns and general canopy control methods all through out AFF and while still on student status...... i guess you aren’t really at the BEST dropzone in the world... but seriously, brake line malfunctions and how to deal with them (including flaring with your rear risers if required) were not taught to you till you took a canopy control course... at Perris?? i have a hard time believing that.... a formal course? nope, not yet. But I've got lots and lots of 'informal' training in coach jumps and advice, both when i sought it out and when someone offered it freely...all knowledge is valuable, but the more mandatory you make any type of training, the less anyone really learn in the long run, much like that worthless water training course you described.... if you lack the drive to educate yourself your not likely to be paying much real attention to 'check the box' class you have to take..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

and understand the only one responsible for those consequences is the one who decided to initate the action.... not you, not my mother, not my instructors, and not any outside agency that "should have forced me to 'know' better.." ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

a canopy course required anywhere will do nothing to prevent 'copy cat' incidents. You need to look up the definiton of prevention.. but you didnt get a canopy control course thoughout AFF??? principles of canopy flight, control and landing were not taught??? you'd better get your money back... I wonder how you've made it down safely for 800 jumps?? you must be really lucky... the only thing that will prevent jumpers from making errors are the jumpers themselves, if they cant be bothered to learn about their canopy without being forced to then they dont need to be jumping...... care to guess how many people have and do manage to learn and fly their canopies without someone forcing them to? Look around next time your in the plane...Care to guess how many people STILL wont know how to fly their canopies even with a few new certificate on the wall?? ps. did you find a tandem malfunction decision tree yet to see how silly your scenerio really is? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

you absolutely need a group, your 'social peers'. You would not have the concepts of 'right and wrong' that you do without the social group you were raised with. The 'moral' system only exists because of the beliefs of group that defined it. Where as 'science', the study of sense perceptions as defined here, needs no agreement from an outside group or even the individual scientist. It is based completely on an arbitrary system dictated by the observations of 'sense perceptions' and changes based on the conclusions of those perceptions, not on the changing beleifs of a group... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

all without ANYONE to tell them what, when, where, and how to teach and train..... i guess they need some regulation to make it 'safe' for them too.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

OK smarty pants....Where is THE place for low pulls? And, where are you skydivng off the DZ? BTW, what's your lowest pull, I'm curious. It is a perfect analogy You never cease to amaze me.. its called BASE and it started at dropzones, but many of the people involved in it have moved away and stayed away from the DZ's because of the safety nazi control freak "you cant do that its not SAFE!!!" attitudes like yours... and yet the majority still take safety and preventative maintenance to levels skydivers rarely think about, all without anyone having to tell them the HAVE to..... only one person is responsible for your life, YOU! its up to you to seek training and equipment to make your activities safer. If you cant be bothered to learn without a government agency trying to mandate it and are going to blame the lack of that agency for another's death?? you shouldnt be jumping..... is it mandatory you get in the plane? nope. If you don’t like the risks, if you personally cannot be bothered to seek knowledge, learn and develop safe habits all without someone to force you… go to the bowling alley... seems like there are enough people who require spoon feeding in this world without extending skydiving to the list of activities that caters to them. oh wait, since you don’t really enjoy skydiving in the first place, why are you ranting about making it 'safer' for other skydivers ??? Cant we be trusted with our own lives without you to mother us?? Maybe your just looking for someone besides the pilot to point the finger at next time someone goes in under a perfectly good canopy?? How long till someone fresh out of a canopy control course makes an error and is killed or injured??? oh wait it's already happened... i suppose you'll be ready to blame the instructors and the quality of their teaching methods???? Sorry but the chain of responsibility starts and ends with you, if you can’t handle being responsible for your own life then you shouldn’t be jumping... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Yes. if they don’t quite clearly understand the risk they are taking simply by jumping out of the plane they should have been in the bowling alley instead. you are assuming everyone judges relative risk by your standard. Obviously you don’t speak for anyone’s real understanding but your own... How many times in AFF waivers alone do the emphasize you are taking an unnecessary risk?? how many times do you have to acknowledge your understanding??? how many times do you have to be told YOU CAN DIE DOING THIS!!! ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

there is a place for low pulls... its not the dropzone.. stupid analogy. btw have you seen a tandem malfunction decision tree? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Several terms seem to be assumed here that should not be. Define ‘well educated’? 'ethics' certainly includes the actions of the instinctive and the ignorant, as well as the vague ideals of "thoughtful and well educated" or even "moral convictions" so the analogy is only partially true and contains an underlying discrimination. "Sensory perception" on the other hand, is fairly easily agreed apon by every human vs a single conception of 'ethics’ which will vary more widely between each individual and certainly each culture. homework? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

trolling trolling trolling... pretty much the definition of the term... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

old school always believes the world is ending when it evolves past their methods and understanding. proper application of individual effort ensures that more total labor is accomplished by the minimal amount of work required from each piece. This enables those who control such units and systems to "do more with less" total effort than any 'hard-working' man ever dreamed possible. another term you might have heard. "Force multiplier". it was reflected in Olympic basket ball, where each piece doing its job in the right time (real teamwork) beat the combined efforts of the "super stars" working hard trying to do everything themselves. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

efficient, more efficient, more effective than simple minded brute force methods while your CO is cleaniing the head his ship is about to be sunk by those who worked smarter. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

actually if Kerry is claiming he received medals he did not the Navy is perfectly justified in reviewing the records to see what was awarded. What they cannot do is review the why as that decision was made by his commanding officer at the time, and if approved (merited or otherwise, i'm not going to get into the merits of anyone’s awards) are official. one would hope that Kerry isn’t stupid enough to claim medals that were never awarded, but he is a politician so there is no telling... unless of course any real evidence was accidentally destroyed, then the mudslinging innuendo can really commence... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

mostly harmless ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i love pointing out to the officious military types, that when they see me “sitting around doing nothing” now, its because i already did all the work that was necessary for them to accomplish their mission, and that everything is working as it supposed to, except for the idiot questioning me instead of doing his task... proper planning, preparation, and 'pre'-execution ensures that the bulk of my visible job is always waiting for something to break or (more often) some one to 'break' it... if the brass actually sees me work, either we didn’t accomplish enough before they arrived, or were farther behind we started in the first place and are still playing catch up. busy work is assine, particularly when your job is to maintain active systems..sure i could help the janitor scrub the head, while everything is running smoothly, but then I’d be neglecting my job to do his...every piece has a function in complex systems, if one piece tries to do or dictate everyone else’s job/time usage things only really move slower... but there is always some officious twit to assign busy work in any hour/shift based labor, even when the real work is being accomplished. All so everyone 'looks' busy instead of focusing on the tasks they are responsible for..... I’m sure you heard it before, work smarter, not harder. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i'm so totally losing my mind.... i could find loads to do, still need to unpack, if it weren’t such a pain to get around and if i weren’t supposed to be 'sedentary' for a while anyway while the bone knits i feel like this is a precursor to becoming grafted to the couch, and that frightens me..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on.... .............Let the Rabbits wear glasses!! ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

not likely, death is nothing new to me or to skydiving, nor are those who cringe from the reality of it and seek means to protect themselves (their feelings) by 'protecting others from themselves' through restriction and regulation. Unfortunately I understand his point of view all too well, but again Death isn’t a new thing this week. It just might have been closer this week to some than others and that grief leads people to a belief that doing whatever they can to prevent themselves from feeling so terrible is acceptable and right, when it is simply a fact of life, people die. People in high risk endeavors die more often, and that pain you feel? Accept it. It is inevitable for us all. If it really bothers you there are places where people die less frequently, take less risks, and some would say live less as well….golf courses, bowling alleys…. fairly certain you wont lose many friends in those sports, at least not [I]from[/I] the sport itself..… helmet laws? seat belt laws? sorry they are all wonderful ideas, and have their place. but it is NOT your place to mandate anyone other than yourself use them, same for ADDs, RSL's, altimeters, audibles, helmets, canopies of every size and all types of technical improvements that do make life safer, easier, less idiot proof, more enjoyable and more restrictive, more prohibitive when laws mandate their use. you want to go to 'great lengths' to make sure it doesn’t happen again? Don’t get on the plane. Don’t live, love and play with people involved in high risk sports, and don’t use the pain you feel when you lose someone as a reason to restrict or inhibit anyone else from doing what they fully understand can be a lethal endeavor, but chose to willingly participate in. Bureaucracy sucks, more bureaucracy sucks more. It rarely makes you safer, but it always costs you time, money and freedom. Ever been part of an OSHA audit? You think any work really gets done that way??? Several places I’ve worked it would have been MORE dangerous to follow all the regs the way they were written…but you want government oversight in skydiving too??? I work for/with the government, I certainly don’t trust them that much… I’d much rather know I was the one responsible for making sure myself and my gear worked properly…after all I am the one trusting my life to it, not you and not any government agency. great, now the world has another 'safety crusader' on a mission to save us from ourselves.... Anyone out there that considers me a friend? Don’t go on a safety jihad when I die, and I will die of something, somewhere, eventually, everyone does, so it shouldn’t shock you really… it's so much better just to laugh, cry, dance, play and party, enjoy every moment you have and remember the ones youve had, but really, Keep it off my wave, even if I go in, especially if I go in. Dont make me your martyr, i'd doubt if any of your friend want that either... no one want to be remembered as the one who inspired the safety police to enslave us all to regulations....for our protection of course, we can't be trusted with our own lives now days...... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

lol.. then you went the wrong way about it...i was wondering why you didn’t put this in the corner in the first place.. it's one of the most arguable topics there is under the sun....and in the end it has no answer, no one answer for anyone … want to know what style to study? Whichever dojo you'll actually go to, consistently, no matter what style it is, or how you feel about training that week..... train where you can, when you can(formally) [I]training never stops, it’s not an activity it is a state of mind[/I], from whatever 'experts' there might be near, convenient enough for you to make it a practice, otherwise the best teacher and subject cant help you.... get bored? Doesn’t feel right after 2 months? change it. move? find another any dojo, any style.... take that which is useful to you and discard the rest..... if your really interested in what 'works' ie "how to defend yourself" ? then welcome to a long road...keep moving..it doesn’t stop.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.