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Pretty Little Ditty is Flea too.... theres a few songs he plays on... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

War? what war? have we declared a war? are you sure its not just a police action? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

the objective had been cleared on Friday by a previous team, all the wounded were known to be there from the previous day.......this team did not even receive definitive fire from that mosque... from http://www.kevinsites.net/ about as eyewitness as you'll get... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

sounds ALOT like reading intel with statements like '20 tankers at site X' that miraculously become interpreted as '20 possible chemical weapons transports at site X" sure they COULD be used to transport chemical weapons... they could also be used to transport milk or water...... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

well i can wish cant i..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

if the Marine in the previous instance had behaved similarly, we wouldnt be having this discussion... and our enemies wouldnt have another powerful piece of propaganda to use against us... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

no. of course not... nor does the fact he is a US marine make him innocent.... you really need to check on the circumstance surrounding this incident... the objective was already cleared..by your own reasoning they already had POW status... what we have is an apparent failure of discipline.. the reasons.. panic, grief, anger etc.. are irrelevant, only the action remains..only the action will be seen by the rest of the world and only by our ACTIONS will we be judged... yes, that does mean we must take risks that expose our troops to 'dishonorable' tactics and the additional dangers thus created, and yes it means we must accept the loses that disadvantage incurs to protect the honor conduct and integrity of our armed forces.. 'thinking' and 'feeling' you are threatened is meaningless if the investigation shows you were in fact not...... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Are security contractors legal combatants? Let's just use the definition I posted here before... In Uniform: Some Are. Openly Bearing Arms: Check. Under Officers: Check. Fighting According to Laws of War: Check. So, at least some of them would be protected under the Geneva conventions. Others should know that they are not and judge their involvement accordingly. I'm sure they're aware of the risks. http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/milreview/maxwell.pdf one opinon http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/awc-law.htm LOTS more reading.... of course apparently in the opinions of some in the SC none of it applies, as our enemies refusal to fight honorably relieves us of any obligation or pretense at honorable conduct as well.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

oh now i see... the failure of our enemy to follow any recognized, honorable means of combat entitles us to adopt any means nessesary to defeat them, including the execution of injured, unarmed combatants.. directly from the GC... of course I suppose you'll still argue that we dont have to follow it because they arent... does that make rape, torture and looting OK too??? http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm unless of course its easier to shoot them since they might be faking dead and clearly dont have their hands up.... http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-11-15-marine-shooting_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA you dont see a possible problem here??? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

no what i said was in response to this bit of nonsense... i'm going into my 11th year of military/government service, I've helped train more of our soldiers in more countries than you have any clue about.. Every single one of them is expected to know and uphold the US military standards of conduct, NOT some varient described in Wikipedia.....the integrity and honorable conduct of 'Wikipedia' is not at stake..... have you SEEN this video in question? the Marines were investigating this instance before this video became news. Apparently they thought there was enough to warrant an investigation and this video clear shows a marine with some serious questions to answer.... yet somehow your trying to defend the apparent execution of an unarmed injured enemy?? how about you find the directive that have ever authorized that behavior on the part of the US military? the definitions you use are very important....particularly in a conflict were we MUST keep ourselves separate from the means and morals employed by our enemy... if you think the US military should be adopting them from 'Wikipedia' well......and throwing away our legal and moral restraints on what are permissible means of War.... to stretch your imagination and understanding a bit, try to envision the outrage when/if the opposing scenario of this video is aired...... now imagine what your response would be to someone who was trying to argue that there “might be extenuating circumstances that we cant be aware of since we were not there” that somehow justified an insurgent execution of injured, unarmed American soldiers. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

not a lowrider ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

ah thats right i forgot wikipedia is the deciding authority on the conduct of the US military... take that defense in to your court marshall I'm sure it will go over well..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

he also gets a writing credit on the only original song (passive) on the new APC album.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

A little white cotton nightie. hmmm we've discussed the nine inch nails..... fascist panties? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

someone mention Slayer? Ive seen them several times... best show was with Motorhead on Seasons in the Abyss.. i think Kreator opened actually wtf? is this metal month and i missed the note? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

true. but including those drives in a laptop is bleeding edge expensive at the moment..... you will want one, but they make more sense external or in desktops imo. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

or chosing another feild of work... 'service' industries are exactly that, you work to the whims of your customers. As a bartender or waitress you have to accept the conditions created by your patrons. If your patrons wish to indulge themselves they will, you have the choice NOT to work in a service industry, or limit yourself to the portion that does not cater to smokers.. next we will have soldiers complaining about being shot at......wait nevermind... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

oh yea... and legislating for an increased life span of our ever growing population is suuuuch a good idea. wait until the cost of the populace living an extra year or so out ways the tax and work benefits to society... then maybe the government will step back from it's 'mother' position.... allowing any activity in a private business should be up to the owner and the patrons.... if people want smoking bars, theaters, restaurants etc...they will support them economically.... we dont need government voting for us.. let the citizens decide what kinds of atmosphere they are willing to pay for.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

saw Motorhead in a tiny school gym in Besmer AL..... its was easily the loudest sound i've ever experienced and i've been on flight lines and artillery ranges all over the world.... Lemmy is the fucking Man..... "everything louder than everything else...." but i believe Deep Purple still has the record for loudest concert performance..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

It would be a third front, and yes it could be done. no it couldnt, not now, not with our current troop strength, rotations cycle and depleted equipment levels...and certainly not without the 'non-existant' draft and a hell of a tax/deficit increase... ready to reenlist to take down Iran? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

too bad ignorance isnt painful.... you'd be needing a morphine drip about now...... i've made more a difference in the conduct of US military, its training, tactics and techniques, procedures and equipment as they are applied worldwide, than you can possible imagine....but go ahead and run your mouth some more and further illustrate how little discipline you seem to have acquired...... we train to standard for a reason... if you cant follow that standard and ensure you and your peers are trained to its bleeding edge, EVEN when you have to accept a tactical disadvantage to do so....then you need a new profession.... Execution, the wanton killing of an unarmed, injured enemy has never been a standard of conduct for the US military... and if you 'thought' wrong, and there were witnesses to your actions then you'd be under investigation as well...i sincerely hope your not the next soldier contemplating a long term in a cell for a similar such failure of discipline and control. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

the Maiden tune? absolutely ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

but dont you know? witches can use the rendered fat of an unbabtised child to fly.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

there really is only one answer.... its amazing that some people dont seem to get it.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.