JerryThomas

Yes that is partly correct.Added to that is information from Ralph And Rat.Then I took into consideration ,of where the money Brian found was and the statement made by the hydroligist .Then I looked at the watersheds too determine how the money could have found its way to Tena bar.Weather conditions at the time of the jump also was considered.Now! knowing how fast the streams and rivers in this area rise and fall during flood stage and how often this happens (flooding) of all the streams and rivers. Most not recorded.Gives me reason to believe that the money had to of come down the Washougal watershed.That is the only way the money could have found its way to Tena Bar.Believe me I originally thought that Cooper landed in the columbia river. Then I researched the entire case and came to my conclusions. Jerry

Geoger you found my wifes birthdate.

Nuke what is attidude? Or hey Dude It could Altidude! What is a Idea? Or better Yet. A question asked without tack.Still all questions can be honered with proper respect. It's how it's asked that can be Important.

Snow the trafic at PDX was not as busy as it is today still there was stacking of aircraft.However they still landed the same direction depending on wind conditions.. Lets not forget the cross winds that causes pilots to crab there aircraft in for a landing. yes there was reports of bad cross winds.At the time of this flight. That can be found in more than one report.Now once again the Coast Guard has reports of conditions for that evening and so does the National Guard. Along with all the TV and Radio stations to include all small airports in the area.Mt St hellens is how far to the east of V23 And how many miles from Portland. What are the deviation Boundaries? These questions I have asked and can answer. I've even questioned and checked out all reports. Snow I think maybe you are the only one that can use your computer knowledge to plot a simple flight map. Lets try this Plot seperate maps in one mile incraments from the original suspected dropzone too 13 miles east. No wind deviation. Just simple ploting.Now The Placard was found in the flight path but still to the east. of V23 . 13 mi or more East of Woodland Wa.This realy doesn't mater. This is why you take a piece of plastic and drop it from 100ft with a small breeze and it lands in a direction that is controlled by wind and heat uprising from the earth.It's realy strange.A gust makes it act like a kite with out a tail for stabilization . Need I say moore. Thanks Snow . Jerry

Snow all kiding aside your great I've always said that on and off the forum. However don't let it build your eggo to high.Coming from me it realy doesn't mean much. Jerry

Snow if you want Coopers drop zone to be Reno ,so Be It. If You want to continue to debate this isue. Please tire yourself out . If you want to continue to debate what someone said good. However If you would like to help solve this case. Go to the computer and plot a course 10 to 13 miles east of the original suspected drop zone and post it.

Please do. Jerry

Even if cooper had tried to deploy his chute at the same time of his jump. We must remember it was not user friendly. He would have had deployment problems as orange 1 mentioned and tombling problems. The tombling promblems would be quicker if the chute was deployed befor stabilization.This is normal.Experienced jumpers Know.

Adopt you. No way your as ugly as I am. some one might think we are actualy related. Kiding aside snow provides alot to computer expertise and has been very usefull to this forum. He has also brought all of you guys to the same conclusions that actual test has provided. Still If I adopt him could it be a nitemare. I think not Just a experience that could be worse . Just Kiding. Jerry

Slugo Has talked to Ralph and asked some very good questions. Which were answered. He also has some very good Ideas. Alot have already been researched.This is a very complexed case and has many unanswered questions. Where did he land, What was his ethnic back ground. Why did he do it. What was his experience. What was he going to use the money for.Guess what guys the answers we realy seek is. How to solve it. And the only way to do that is find the evidence and that is on the ground.Not in the air we have all been through flight plans. Landing . Zones Trying to figure out who said what and picked all that apart. Now Lets look at reality. It is a solvable case all that has to be done is to find evidence of where he landed. its obvious that he had to leave something at his landing site Whether it be a skull or just a piece of cloth. Something is there. and it is not in the flight path that was originaly searched or the collumbia river.So we all second guess the flight path. What does that do Nothing. Now lets look at other Info whether it be fact or not. Take what info we have about information not given at the time of the Hyjacking. and take the Info given later.Many mistakes were made Lets not make the same.Many of you have asked why I search the area's I do.Maybe its time to stop asking and realize that I have already asked all your questions and evaluated all Info.Talked to all involved .I've done most the test. Science can solve this case if Diatoms can be found on one of the 20 dollar Bills. But sorry guys thats it unless by some lucky chance some one comes across the landing site. This is why I search. I will continue to answer the questions you ask for one reason only. So you can all continue your quest, that will only end in the same conclusion that mine has and I can say I told you so. SO how about some help in the field and actualy get in the woods and search. I promise if you do you will have a chance of realy solving this case otherwise we have to wait on science or population housing growth. Jerry

Snow Hi. some times we think in ancient terms. or just get side tracked like you. However some times there are those that need there paciphier. or there diapper changed. Still some of your comments are realy not propper and yet a lot are its hard to put you in your corner, The put downs are not cool to say the least if you would like. My wife says we can adopt you. you raise good questions and are very good at computers we are all prowd of you but please stop the put downs. Your still Invited to our wedding aniversevery on July 26th. Remember adoption is optional. Please be on your best behavior. I will answer your questions if they are without ridcule and continue to be so. Jerry

Geoger and Orange 1 there has been no official 3rd map drawn. I have drawn one for my own personal use and discused it with Ralph.But that is as far as it has gone. Part of what I,ve used for my map has been actual on the ground research. both in the field and experience.Along with discustions with Ralph H and Ralph Hope.I have not discused this with anyone else.Orange One your comments about reading and sight perception is right on. The word that comes to mind for you is Intelegence. Respect is the one thing that you deserve. You read situations very well. Jerry

Your question very good one.So I called Ralph a few minutes ago and ask him. This is what he said, The FBI agents that interviewed the pilots were not pilots themselves and questions a pilot would have asked were not. The airline pilots assumed that the FBI new they were to the east. It wasn't untill Ralphs retirement party that Rat and Ralph talked about this.Then it was realized. Now for the flight map.The map came from NW Airlines engeneers and was at best a guess aparently they hadn't talked to the pilots either.

Ralph comented on this at the conference and made the statment just like I posted.I'm sure he will tell you the same I will talk to him today.

Geoger Ralph has seen both maps. and both are wrong. You and I have discused this in detail in the past. the fligt path was over the troutdale airport.This was also mentioned at the conference I realy wish all of you could have been there.you would have been enlightened and most of the questions you all ask now would have been answered.There was a aeronaghtical engineer from calif.even his questions were answered. Ralph didn't hold much back.He was,however very ademant about the fact that cooper could not have landed in the columbia river and gave all reasons as to why.Please excuse my spelling. I did mention that you would like to talk to him and he said you could call him and that he would enjoy talking to you.

Geoger the flight path map Ralph can answer. It came from one of the people that calculated the drop zone the name I don't remember.It did not come from the FBI.

Snow i don't no how you are able to get the info you do or how your able to move the info to the forum. admiration is the word that comes to me on this matter some day I'll get a smart pill prescription from my doctor. Then I'll ask you to teach me how to do some of the things you do. Hope I don't get a brain over load.

Snow your right impeller is the proper use of words. You now have a gold star for this day.

The reason that the columbia river is not considered the drop zone is because the aicraft hadn't gotten close to it at the time of the jump. This has always been made clear. The FBI did the test to determine the point of time that he jumped. the only way the cabin preasure could have changed the way it did was if someone or thing left the aircraft by the stairs.The test the FBI did proved that beyond a shadow of doubt.

The small airport east of pdx is troutdale it is located directly across the river from washougal.Yes the pilots were given permission to fly what ever direction they needed they were not on radar and Ralph did make mention of this.The main concern was the safety of people in a populated area.

The dredge used on the columbia had propellers.all material passed through them.Georger The info about the flight came from rat told to Ralph on the day of Ralphs retirement. Ralph made mention of this conversation yesterday at the conference.He made a great deal of info public yesterday. Shelly and I realy injoyed hearing what he had to say and was glad he finally made some facts public.There was a lot of conversation in the cockpit not recorded. Ralph gave very exsplicit details on conversations with tina and florence .The piece of info that the FBI held back was the fact that cooper left the tie and clasp on the air craft.Of course we all know why this was info was held for so many years. The chutes cooper took were not to his benifit.Shelly and I realy enjoyed taking the group to the woods.One person mentioned , while we were at dougan falls on the washougal river to shelly if people jump in where do they end up UTAH it was a good experience for all of them.After the tour through the woods every skeptic in the group finally stated that they thought there was no way cooper survived the jump.

Jo I'm tired of your comments about your imaginary cooper confrontation I will deal with you civily. I have talked to the news people in pensecola fla. and will be making a formal public statement soon. thought you would like to no this

Snow your question I can answer. However if I do you'll just question my answer. Do us both a favor and call Rat or Ralph. If you want info and continue to question me just call the source. then all the extra coments can cease. My expertise is on the ground Most of my info That involves the crime comes from Ralph and others. You have a habit of alway's second guesing me. So if I post somthing and you want to question me! just make a phone call and waste some time.All the people that were involved in this case have listed phone #s Jerry

Jo the park did not exist in your way of thinking You never even knew about this park untill recent arial photo's Maps and phone calls is all you have to verify existance of duane gues what I called the guy in stevenson. Another dead end. Maybe you should have the people you want to talk to me call. you have my #. Jerry

Ok Guys here is some Info I don't think you realy understand The pilots of the airliner was not flying by auto pilot they were given directive's to fly manualy. this they did They did not follow the flight path. Instead they flew to the east about 9 or more miles. You don't have to take my word for this a simple phone call to either Ralph or Rat will verify this. I bet that changes a lot of your thinking on this case. Now go back to your computers.