cliffwhite

You owe a HUGE appology to a lot of people. I stand behind my statement Mr. Cline. As a matter of fact, let me ask you.., have you ever lied,Mr. Cline? Were you or are you currently a member of the military? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

There is no factual evidence to back the governments' conspiracy theory either. As a matter of fact at least 7 of the governments' supposed terrorist hijackers are alive today. Guess they weren't on those planes after all. As far as Osama Bin Ladin, the FBI website doesn't list him as wanted for any crimes related to 9-11 ,which officially is why we invaded Afghanistan. Further the majority (6 out of 10) members of the 9-11 Commision now doubt the veracity of their own report. If they don't believe it and they wrote it, why would you? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

How about if we agree that the FBI testified that Barbara Olsen never talked to her husband from flight 77 as claimed by Ted Olsen on national TV. Ted told of quite an elaborate phone conversation with his wife who was calling from her cellphone. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Hmmm.., a Blackberry Pearl. And when was the Blackberry Pearl released? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

As we al know the US lied to us about Tillman and Lynch. More specificly "The US Military" lied to us about Tillman and Lynch . The US military failed to perform thir duty on 9-11. They didn't even defend their own headquarters. Knowing that military persons are liars and much of the evidence of 9-11 was presented by the military , I'd have to say we probably haven't gotten the truth on that score. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

[reply we never hear about the many soldiers and their acomplishments. Quote What accomplishments? More Afghan civilians wounded or killed? Opium production at the highest levels in decades? To which accomplishments are you referring? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Let's see ,GQ.., We've established that the Jessica Lynch story was a lie. We've established that the Patrick Tillman story was a lie. We know that the US government lies to its' own citizens. But we should believe ,as you obviously do, the "official conspiracy" theory as put forth by the US government even though it is full of inconsitancies and impossibilities? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

They look so hungry! Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

[reply Hey as long as I have a man with a math backround here let me ask you a question . If you have ten insurgents (I really prefer the terminology"pissed off locals") operating in an area and you kill two of them, how many are left? Blues, Cliff 12, I believe. General McChrystal says 20. Either answer being correct it's hard to figure how we'll ever wipe out the Afghan insurgency by force or any offensive operation. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

OK , I see. So when asked "At what alltitude was flight 93 when the alledged cellphone calls were made ,Bill? " Your reply of "Around 8000 feet as far as I can tell." was based on ..,wait a second ? "as far as I can tell"? But you thought I was asking about your own testing? The test where you were looking at the altimeter and the wind speed indicator. OK. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

[>Interestingly enough the link provided by wolfriver joe mentions that >Todd Beamers' "cell phone call" was somehow linked over to a GTE >systems operator!!! Todd Beamer didn't call on his cellphone; he called on the GTE airphone system. Which is why it went to a GTE operator. 2muchTruth

Quote>Oh!! I wasn't aware you were on flight 93 ,Bill. Sorry, thought you were asking about our test flights. Quote You reply was as follows, I'm not sure how you missed the paragraghs in front of each of your replies. " In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >At what alltitude was flight 93 when the alledged cellphone calls were >made ,Bill? Around 8000 feet as far as I can tell. >How fast was the aircraft travelling? Around 400 knots. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Interestingly enough the link provided by wolfriver joe mentions thatTodd Beamers' "cell phone call" was somehow linked over to a GTE systems operator!!! Curiouser and curiouser! A web of lies is hard to untagle and even harder to keep straight. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Oh!! I wasn't aware you were on flight 93 ,Bill. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Quote>At what alltitude was flight 93 when the alledged cellphone calls were >made ,Bill? Around 8000 feet as far as I can tell. >How fast was the aircraft travelling? Around 400 knots.Quote Interesting! How did you determine the altitude/speed at time of call ? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Which certainly reinforces your point about offense vs defense, Professor. Hey as long as I have a man with a math backround here let me ask you a question . If you have ten insurgents (I really prefer the terminology"pissed off locals") operating in an area and you kill two of them, how many are left? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Quote Throughout history offensive weapons have almost always had the advantage over defenses that were more costly. Examples being the "long bodkin" arrowhead that overcame armored cavalry (Crecy, Agincourt), the cannon that rendered castles obsolete, bomber aircraft that ended the reign of battleships, RPGs that take out helicopters, etc.Quote Let's not leave out the 767s that slipped right past all of NORADs safeguards. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Well thanks ,Andy , but you know I'm the poster child for abortion rights don'tcha? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Yep; so has "socialism". Freedom is the Messiah; Socialism is the Antichrist. Andy!!! Glad to se ya back!! Last you said you wouldn't click on my stuff anymore. You didn't count on my addictivenesss did you Andy? I'm like that annoying zit you just can't keep from squeezing!LOL! Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

QuoteGot a link for that?? (serious question) A link that would be considered independent? Snopes says this particular call was GTE Airfone. I consider Snopes to be reasonable trustworthy. Are you wanting information on the Olson Call? How about asking Snopes (that ever reliable source ..,how are they funded?) To look at the transcripts from the Mossaoui trial. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

At what alltitude was flight 93 when the alledged cellphone calls were made ,Bill? How fast was the aircraft travelling? Do cellphones work so well in those conditions? Blues, Cliff Ummm... Weren't Airfones around since the mid-eighties??Quote Sure they were ,wolfriverjoe, but the official reports are that many of the calls from flight 93 were on cellphones. Here's the most interesting phone call report from that day. Theodore Wilson, the US Solicitor General went on TV to tell us in detail about the call he recieved from his wife ,Barbara Olson, who was purportedly aboard flight 77 (pentagon). In fact his account is really the only information we have regarding what went on with flight 77 . The FBI says that call never took place. Someones lying. It's time for the truth. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

I have signs on my lawn declaring a firearmfree zone . Anyone on my property,including police and federal agents,must disarm or be considered a threat to my safety. I will preemptively shoot any one carrying firearms onto my property. Preemptive action has legal precedent if you consider the war in Iraq legal. Blues, Cliff This is a joke right? Firearmfree zones = Victim zones, like my college campus is a victim zone. More importantly, police and federal agents would destroy you if you attempted to do as you say. If you lived you would be imprisoned. So you are saying that I should be afraid of the police state responce in "the home of the free". Of course I have considered their responce,DeathByCactus, still this is my property, my castle ,and as a Freeman I'll make the rules as to whom I allow to carry firearms on my property. My rule is no one but myself. I've posted warning signs. Anyone entering my sovereign domain carrying firearms has announced themselves as a threat to my life and liberty. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Well than they are losing! Is there even one military person that really believes that they are fighting to protect our freedom? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

So.., as suggested you have no self restraint. Are you a member of ,or have you ever been a member of the military ,rhaig? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Me too...but it'd be a PA Truth can be a hard pill to swallow ,airdvr. Still it is the truth. Blues, Cliff When I see it I'll give it a try. Right -on ! Are you sure you'll recognize it? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth