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I am trying to understand what you are suggesting and I believe I'm coming up short. It seems as if you are insinuating that one must be gay to have a right to comment on all things gay? Or maybe it's that one must be democratic to comment on all things democratic? I think it's ridiculous to be offended on behalf of lesbians when lesbians themselves aren't offended. Rhino (who I was responding to) made clear in his analogy that it's like black people being offended by white people using the word "nigger". If black people as a reasonably unified community declared that the word "nigger" was not offensive and they were perfectly happy with white people using it as an non-loaded label for the group, then that would be definitive. It's also ridiculous to be offended on behalf of the Cheney family when one week earlier they were happily and openly talking about it themselves. They eagerly talked about it in public and didn't show outrage until (Gasp!) they realized it could play to their P.R. advantage to do so. On your last supposition about being "democratic" I think you mean "Democrat". I am not Democrat. Don't lump me in with any of your silly granfaloons. First Class Citizen Twice Over

By the way, I see this exact pattern around here a lot. Especially among the anti-gay types! Here's the technique: They make a strong claim and justify it based on evidence or reasoning (i.e.: "Gay people are bad because they all {x}"). When someone with more information shows that gay people do NOT all {x}, they come up with some new faulty justification. When all of the lousy justifications are shown to be bullshit, they stubbornly stand by their now-discredited conclusion anyway. And that's what I find moronic: Loyalty to an untrue conclusion rather than loyalty to the truths which disprove the conclusion. First Class Citizen Twice Over

You put quote marks around that sentence as if you were quoting me, but I never said it or anything like it. Here's what I would gladly say instead: "If you don't agree with me on a factual matter, and you have no reasoning or evidence for your position but I do have those things, then you're stupid, unintelligent, or a moron." First Class Citizen Twice Over

Don't expect him (or any of the attack dogs) to admit their error here. They've done their dirty work, stirred the shit, and now they'll scurry away and hide from those they've stepped on. First Class Citizen Twice Over

The ONLY people who are offended here are those who stand to gain by being offended. They are pretending. Those who have a RIGHT to be offended aren't. Sticking a feather up your ass does not make you a chicken. First Class Citizen Twice Over

And isn't that the core of this entire process? First Class Citizen Twice Over

That's your opinion... It's also my opinion that one plus one equals two. Edited to add: And I notice that you haven't addressed even a single one of the extremely intelligent criticisms of your nonsensical post. Just once it would be nice to see one of the attack dogs on here admit, "Yeah, you have a point. I overreacted. Looking back, I see that I said didn't make sense." It continues to show that logic, reason, and fact play no part in your discussion. It's nothing more than an ongoing effort to push emotional buttons to rile up anger and fear. Truth plays no part here. The few people reading these posts who have brain cells firing know what I mean. First Class Citizen Twice Over

If "common sense" means "use any flagrantly disingenuous, cobbled-together emotionally-loaded nonsense you can piece together to pick a fight with," then this is an excellent example. "If it isn't a partisan attack, it doesn't exist." First Class Citizen Twice Over

Your "perfect analogy" was about the words "lesbian" vs. "nigger". I proposed that "nigger" (which is insulting) was a ridiculous analogy and "african american" (which is not) would be closer. If black people aren't offended by whatever the word is, then we can safely assume it's not offensive. I'm gay and I'm not offended by the word "lesbian". I haven't met a gay person of either gender who would find Kerry's remark offensive. Quite the opposite. So your analogy is bunk. Now, if you want to bring up OTHER issues (like "leave my daughter out of it!") which have nothing to do with the emotional impact of the words "nigger" or "lesbian", please address those separately. They might or might not hold water, but they are NOT support for your "perfect analogy". First Class Citizen Twice Over

Not even a close analogy. "Nigger" is CLEARLY a bitter, vicious insult (when delivered by the white guy in your example above.) "Lesbian" in this context was CLEARLY a neutral, informational label, much like "african american" would be in your example above. Now, if Kerry had said, "Cheney's daughter is a cunt-licking, disease-brewing, man-hating bulldyke" then I'd give your analogy credit. Since he didn't do that, I'd say you're disingenuously inventing scandal where none exists. But then again as I noted in another thread, "If it isn't a partisan attack, it doesn't exist." First Class Citizen Twice Over

After all, if it isn't a partisan attack, it doesn't exist. First Class Citizen Twice Over

Who should the US really be worried about? Well, for starters, the Republicans. And the Democrats. After those two groups, it's all relatively minor. First Class Citizen Twice Over

I have absolutely no clue. Why do you think I'm taking sides? Did I say something above to make you think that or are you just incapable of understanding that some people aren't sucked in? What I will say is in my anecdotal memories your team has worse manners than the other. But both teams are lying, traitorous crooks. No question. First Class Citizen Twice Over

It's interesting in a way. It brings to mind some disturbing possibilities. What if, for instance, the parties and/or candidates hired people to impersonate members of a community then post incessently on large online forums in support of the candidate? They could use all manner of techniques and would not be responsible for any of the legal standards of other political communications. I can imagine that would be quite effective. And if it's effective, you can bet someone's going to do it. Or already has. Purely hypothetical, of course. First Class Citizen Twice Over

Does that stand for the republican groups that do these things or is the logic different when it's your side? Of course it is. By the way, how much were you paid to post on dropzone? First Class Citizen Twice Over

How charmingly optimistic of you. Honor and indignancy are so 20th century. We're well past such primitive motivations in this enlightened age of Might Makes Right. First Class Citizen Twice Over

Will you be so trusting when the US leadership changes this year or sometime in the future? If not, then be careful about the precedents you support. First Class Citizen Twice Over

Wow. Here's another on the homepage of Yahoo. They're just rolling in. Link First Class Citizen Twice Over

The only thing that surprises me here is how amatuer the execution is. First Class Citizen Twice Over

Oops. Sorry. First Class Citizen Twice Over

Voting fraud in Oregon And so it begins... These guys think ahead. Inserting shills in online communities a year in advance and even shredding voter registration forms. Crooks everywhere. Which crook will YOU vote for? Why exactly are YOU loyal to this system? First Class Citizen Twice Over

Almost 3500 posts in 11 months and not a single post in a skydiving forum after the first month. And you registered with dropzone.com exactly one year to the day before the upcoming election. Some aspects of your comments make more sense to me now. First Class Citizen Twice Over

Some among us are eager for the leadership to act with secrecy and brutal force. Unfortunately they'll regret that when the leadership changes. Precedents can be a bitch. First Class Citizen Twice Over

Don't discount the very real possibility that cycle is exactly what many people (including many who post here) are seeking. First Class Citizen Twice Over

It's amazing how little thought some people put into their opinions! If you see average suburban gay couples you won't know they're gay couples. But if you see leather-wearing faggots fucking in the bushes, you'll notice. At the end of the day you'll remember seeing gay men being crude but you won't remember gay men being respectable. And you'll tell everyone you know, "I've walked around all the parks, alleys, and gay bars in DC and I haven't seen a single gay couple sitting quietly in their home watching TV and eating dinner." (By the way, what are you doing sniffing under the bushes in cruisy parks???) First Class Citizen Twice Over