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I don't think you're following the conversation. Let's talk about it over beers. First Class Citizen Twice Over

And thus one can defend any action. "Someone else did worse!" Just so long as you don't actually do the MOST EVIL thing in all of history, you're off the hook. First Class Citizen Twice Over

Speaking of, we flew to the Island for lunch yesterday and had a great time. You two should come over for beer sometime! First Class Citizen Twice Over

Michael, what country are you writing this from again? First Class Citizen Twice Over

The only thing that surprises me is that they didn't prepare the charade a little better. Apparently Bush couldn't even get the name of the supposed target building right in his speech. 'Library', Mr. president. It's called the 'Library Tower', not 'Liberty Tower'. I know he usually gives bumbling readings, but this is a hell of a revealing moment. It's obvious he's never heard anyone say the name of the building. He couldn't have discussed this event with anyone or he'd have heard the substantial difference in pronunciations between those two words. Freudian slip? Hardly. But it sure does suggest it never happened. If it was for real, he would surely have discussed it dozens of times and someone would have pointed out the correct name. First Class Citizen Twice Over

The word "opsec" is a lot like surplus store camoflage and plastic M-16s. Average guys can say jargon words like "opsec" (instead of just speaking English) or dress up in halloween costumes and hope people mistake them for tough military heros. First Class Citizen Twice Over

Of course there's always the possibility it's a pile of horseshit. First Class Citizen Twice Over

snipped Jeffrey's irrelevant example I know Jeffrey never actually READS my responses, so this review of his perplexing argument is only for others who happen to be following along: 1. Earlier, ExAFO authoritatively (but ignorantly) claimed something about my private life. 2. Jeffrey said I do the same thing. (i.e., that I ignorantly claim factual things about other people's private lives.) 3. I asked for a RELEVANT example. 4. In support, he quotes me criticising his track record in following trains of thought in online debates. I made NO factual claims and did NOT refer to anyone's private life and had tons of evidence in support of my statement. In fact, I was talking about something EVERYONE here knows plenty about. -- I propose that poor Jeffrey is either: * Willfully pretending not to understand any two thoughts in a row or * Actually incapable of understanding any two thoughts in a row I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. It must be on purpose. It just HAS to be. First Class Citizen Twice Over

Please find one relevant example. Just one. First Class Citizen Twice Over

You know nothing about what I did -- or why. That doesn't stop you from talking as if you did though, does it? First Class Citizen Twice Over

Straight people, like gay people, have the right to marry any partner the government approves of. Straight people, like gay people, should want the government to get out of the spouse-approval business. First Class Citizen Twice Over

Ah, forgive us for not seeing how wonderfully funny that was. First Class Citizen Twice Over

Whoever was calling you "open-minded and tolerant" 25 years ago may have simply been mistaken. I doubt they'd have repeated the comment if they knew you sympathized with a rampaging murderous nazi. Or maybe standards have changed. Maybe sympathizing with rampaging murderous nazis was more acceptable 25 years ago. First Class Citizen Twice Over

No no no. This thread isn't about the attacker. It's about criticizing the victims. Please start a new thread if you want to discuss the event itself. First Class Citizen Twice Over

No no no, come on, explain. For god's sake Krisanne, don't. Those of us who will get it already get it and the others are just fighting for the joy of drawing blood. First Class Citizen Twice Over

It's a familiar smell. First Class Citizen Twice Over

Apparently Andy Rooney can't "hear" himself say it. This is what he has to say in reply to these "good points": First Class Citizen Twice Over

Any post that starts with: is a fake. It's just a given. First Class Citizen Twice Over

Isn't it illegal in California to record police activity? If it isn't yet, it will be. First Class Citizen Twice Over

You resuscitated an 9-day-dead thread about a movie with gay people in order to attack liberal views of George Bush? First Class Citizen Twice Over

You're talking sense but no one's listening. Like I've said here before, it's like feeding priceless paintings to a goat. First Class Citizen Twice Over

I'd go even further. If the thread were about "'Syriana' and 'Munich'" which he also presumably doesn't want to see, I suspect he wouldn't open the thread, much less respond to a question at all. So no, homophobia isn't implied by not seeing this film. But it IS implied by making a big deal out of avoiding it, i.e. announcing it in ALL CAPS with an exclamation point in a public forum. On the other hand it IS possible that the fellow just hates movie theaters (like I do) and won't see this or any movie (again like me.) The initial impression of homophobia is a rebuttable presumption. Edited to add: Whoops. I got ExAFO and Mx757 mixed up. Although I still wonder who would open a thread about a movie they don't want to see and spend time saying so unless there's some emotional investment involved. First Class Citizen Twice Over

A fascinating detail about this case: All of the victims were prostitutes. The photographs that have been circulating of the victims are all their mugshots from when they'd been arrested at various times. So whenever you see a photo of one of the victims it's a demeaning, humiliating, disheveled police photograph. It makes them look horrible, guilty, broken-down, and even unworthy of pity. So a bunch of artists got together to draw portraits of all the victims based on the mugshots, but drawing smiles on their faces, pretty makeup, clean clothes, and healthy looks in their eyes. A few weeks ago the Vancouver Sun ran a several-page gallery of all 27 mugshots next to the 27 portraits. It really turns the whole appearance of this situation around. First Class Citizen Twice Over

About 5 minutes. Perhaps others think one should whip criticisms out quickly but I think it's a virtue to spend time and think carefully. First Class Citizen Twice Over

99% of the time I just cringe and don't say anything, but if you're going to criticize general education and intelligence, you really should write carefully. First Class Citizen Twice Over