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Storm, have you concluded that I'm a "liberal thinker" based on anything I've said or just because I'm gay? First Class Citizen Twice Over
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Regarding the somewhat silly name of this thread: Every time I have gay sex, I firmly ignore the constitution. I also ignore the price of tea in china and the mysteries of quantum physics. In fact, when I'm having gay sex I ignore EVERYTHING except gay sex. I definitely ignore the telephone. First Class Citizen Twice Over
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Understandable, send me the link because I have not read the full decision. Sure: Opinion, concurrances, and dissentions Oh geez... you go to the preamble. That's a damn good move on your part. Well, shit. I'm stymied. I definitely agree that resolving moral inequities promotes the general good, all other things being equal. But I also believe that a predictable, controllable process promotes the general good. We have conflicting results here. God forbid I should agree with Thomas, but this is the most reasonable thing said by any of them in the whole case: First Class Citizen Twice Over
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How so? I read the decision and dissentions in their entirety a few months ago when they were fresh. I concluded at the time that the reasoning was bogus. I don't remember the details well enough to defend myself now. I'll reread the source material later today (maybe tonight) and refresh myself so I can answer this properly. So you’re more of a “letter of the law” guy? Isn’t it constitutionally right to defend moral inequities? No, it is not constitutionally right to defend moral inequities, although it sounds nice. Moral inequities which are not addressed in the constitution can be addressed by CHANGING the constitution. There is no clause in there for "Be nice and reasonable and merciful and just." Maybe there should have been, but there isn't. What do you foresee that will cause us to regret this someday? Answered above while you were writing the question. First Class Citizen Twice Over
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I'm going to make an analogy to illuminate my last point, which was that we may regret a merciful and just SC someday. Imagine your DZO walks up to you one day and says, "Because you fixed my airplane, I'm giving you 10 free jump tickets." Well, you know you didn't fix his airplane. You don't know HOW to fix airplanes. Maybe it was someone who looked like you. But you need 10 jump tickets. Maybe you even deserve them for something else that you did like cleaning the DZ bathroom. This is fantastic! Except for one thing: You've just learned that your DZO is lousy about keeping track of the maintenance of his airplanes.... And that could be very bad indeed. The SC gave gay people something they deserve, but they did it for the wrong reasons. And tomorrow or next year they may give the bad guys something on the same basis. Very scary. First Class Citizen Twice Over
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Ok, I'll stir things up. I agree with Storm on this one thing, although I suspect I'll violently disagree with him on many other things. The SC's decision in this case was weak. They invented and stretched in order to find a basis for the decision. In my biased world, I WANTED them to get to this decision, but because I'm intellectually honest I have to admit their reasoning was nonsense. Disallowing anti-sodomy laws is morally right, but it's not constitutionally right. I wish it was constitutionally right as well, but there are too many nasty, nosey, authoritarian people in the country to let that happen. I believe the SC decided it was time to be reasonable and just and merciful instead of constitutionally exact. That's a strange and dangerous thing for them to decide. We may regret it someday. First Class Citizen Twice Over
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Shit! First Class Citizen Twice Over
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You'd never see a hetero man dressed like that.... sure you would... just turn on WWF. Or watch any Arthurian-period movie or tv show. Admittedly we don't know if the actors are straight, but the imagery certainly is. Not to mention the straight B&D enthusiasts. And if you think there aren't any, you're really sheltered. Besides, even if straight people didn't wear this particular sexualized costume, so WHAT? I see straight people in DIFFERENT highly sexualized costumes 99 times a day. First Class Citizen Twice Over
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Pammi, I think you're exactly right. I'm looking over the photo from the parade that's supposed to be so offensive. It's a very pumped up muscle dude in a pair of boxers with a leather harness over his chest and bands around his wrists. The costume looks a lot like what you'd see guards wearing in a middle-ages style movie. The only part that's even vaguely uncommon is the shadow indicating he has an erection. While that's unusual, it's hardly mind-shattering. I believe straight guys get erections too, although from the spam I get ("Your ch1ck w4nts you 2 get v1ag.ra!") I might be wrong. Hell, I have an old Apple Computers poster advertising the original "PowerMacs". The image is a gymnast on the rings symbolizing POWER. He's got a very prominent erection showing, too. BTW: nice website. Good job! First Class Citizen Twice Over
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I don't know. It might be better the way it is, getting people excited first. That's a substantial amount of money. Man, I'd love to buy a ticket for my boyfriend. We're going to have to sell a LOT more websites before I can afford that gift. Maybe in a few years... First Class Citizen Twice Over
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You can choose to identify yourself to others either way. Is that what you meant? First Class Citizen Twice Over
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I'm sure that's true. And I'm quite solidly gay. Really. Seriously. There may be a curious thought there on occasion, but I really do love my man. I've even screwed chicks. Well, once. But I've wanted to more times than that, especially in college. There was even this one astoundly attractive woman who later told me she had a crush on me but backed off when she heard I was gay. Damnit! I wasn't THAT gay! Then there was a male college friend that I lusted after who dated and married a female college friend that I lusted after... Oh man... That made for some long nights alone thinking about it... First Class Citizen Twice Over
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I cringe when I see something rare that's in astoundly bad taste. I cringed when I saw Divine eat poodle poop in Pink Flamingos. Ugh. If you saw gay imagery about as often as you see straight imagery, I think it would become commonplace quickly. Some people can't stand the idea of that of course. Symmetry always bothers those who are well-placed. The well fed feel cheated when the hungry finally get a good dinner. First Class Citizen Twice Over
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Jim, It's really sad that people hide their true sexual natures from themselves and others. It only increases the emotional toll when it finally comes out. I've known many people whose lives were lived in quiet desperation until they came out. I know others who've found minor homosexual outlets but still live 95% of their lives "undercover". They are truly depressed and hopeless people. They say things like, "I'll come out when I'm ready" which means, "I'll come out when I'm not scared anymore." But they never stop being scared of rejection. Then there are those whose lives explode in turmoil when they do come out. I hope your father's family and friends responded maturely. With all the gay people pretending to be straight, I wonder if there's many straight people pretending to be gay. Not many, I assume.... but maybe some. I'd feel equally sorry for them. First Class Citizen Twice Over
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You always find things the last place you look... ... unless you give up first. First Class Citizen Twice Over
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You know, this seems so obviously right that only a fool would disagree. However, I know gay people who were married to women and/or had sex exclusively with women for years and years before finally getting the courage to live according to their gay nature. They would object to someone characterizing them as a straight person who suddenly became gay upon divorce. They use language like, "I was gay but I lived a lie." Or "I couldn't admit it to myself or others." They're always quite definite that they had been gay all along, but submitted to some external or internal pressure to mask it with heterosexual behaviors like marriage and sex. About 20 years ago I knew a man who came out to his wife, kids, and grandkids at age 72. He felt very silly for spending his entire adulthood pretending. He explained it was the nature of the times... First Class Citizen Twice Over
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Ok. Don't hide the price. How much? First Class Citizen Twice Over
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I'm not sure I understand your question, but I think you might be comparing homo displays at parades with het displays 24/7 on every street corner and concluding that homo displays are much more sexual. If that's your point, I don't agree. Even though gay parades have some lesbians with exposed breasts and fags with leather straps, I don't think that's anywhere CLOSE to what I see on beer and clothing billboards daily. And I don't even have a TV but if I did I'm sure I'd see far, far most sexualized het images there every day. That being said, I don't wear leather straps in public. I don't much appreciate seeing that highly costumed, sexual imagery either. But it's 1/1000 as common and 1/2 as intense as the het images I see anyway, so I'm not spending much time getting upset. I believe the people who get upset at gay parade imagery and pass over daily het imagery are just being nasty and biased. First Class Citizen Twice Over
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Whew! I'm straight then. Sorry about all the stupid claims I've made about being gay for the last 20 years. I was just wrong. Thanks, Jim! First Class Citizen Twice Over
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What a pile of horseshit! (Sorry, but that's so absolutely ridiculous I can't restrain myself.) Straight people flaunt their sexuality EVERYWHERE. Billboards with straight couples drinking beer in skimpy clothes, sexualized clothing ads with naked couples, het couples holding hands on the street, assumptions of hetersexuality is everywhere. Couples kissing goodbye at the train, dancing in clubs. EVERYTHING is het. Jeez.... did you really mean what you said or was that just to look dumb? First Class Citizen Twice Over
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Odd... I'm not a woman hater. Neither are any of the gay men I know. I do believe you have a completely different view of what being gay means than gay people do. Perhaps you might want to think on that for a little bit. First Class Citizen Twice Over
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Sickness? That seems to be your concept, not mine. You're also the one throwing on the imagined "poor me" attitude. Nothing's further from the truth. I'm gay, I'm happy, and I'm healthy. That seems to piss a lot of people off, but that's their problem, not mine. First Class Citizen Twice Over
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I just have one question for you: Could you choose to be gay? I'm not asking if you could choose to suck a dick. That's different. I assume you could, although I assume you wouldn't want to. I'm asking, can you choose to be homosexual? Are you capable of just deciding one day, "I feel homosexual. I love sucking dick. I find vaginas repulsive. I fall in love with other men"? Is that a choice you could make? A choice to change your feelings and needs? If not, why do you think other people can make decisions about their orientation? First Class Citizen Twice Over
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If you're asking me, I don't know why you're talking about some of those issues. You're the one who brought up the "homosexuality is a choice" nonsense. If you want to talk about those things you should probably start a new thread. First Class Citizen Twice Over
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No wonder they get all emotional! First Class Citizen Twice Over