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Yes, it did show your bias. Your strawman example redirected the orginal argument to whether or not Jesus existed.
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The proper terminology is I don't claim to know unlike y'all.
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How often do you have to jump for the A license to be worth it?
beowulf replied to skamunista's topic in Safety and Training
You could always learn to pack parachutes and work at the dropzone packing for the school or other skydivers. That would help pay for your skydiving or just put money in your pocket. -
BTW, this talk of Jesus existing is irrelevant to the question of whether or not a deity exists. A man named Jesus probably did exist, but there is very little evidence of his existence. What evidence there is does not prove any deity exists.
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Yes they talked about Christ, but that's no different then you and I talking about Christ. To the Jews who were around him or lived near him he would have been very important. The Romans didn't mention him. If he were as influential as claimed then why no mention of him?
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If you've read my posts, you know that's a non-starter with me. I don't claim there is anything usable as evidence for those that are truly faithful, just for those that need to shore up a weak belief with self delusion. I'm apathetic agnostic - don't know, don't care. As for Homer - I love those stories - much more exciting You bring up a good question as to why bother to dispute those who claim they have evidence of God. Well if Christianity wasn't such a big influence in the lives of everyone in the US then I could agree with you. But it is and often it's not a good thing.
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Pliny the Younger, writing about 100AD, Tacitus, 116AD, Mara, 73AD These three are mentioning Christianity well after Christianity was established. Nothing in what you quoted says anything directly about any person named Jesus. It couldn't be considered credible evidence of the Biblical Jesus, just that Christianity exists. Flavius Josephus, 93AD Here is a video that goes over the Josephus mentioning of Jesus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6cQgqbXYN0 Again Josephus was not alive during the time of Jesus. Here is a good article going over the Josephus mentioning of Jesus. http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/1stC_Hist.htm If Jesus really did all the things the Bible says he did then why so little mention of Jesus by Josephus? He must not been that important at the time. Bottom line the Josephus writings are the only thing you have and it is suspect. So yes I was wrong in saying there was no mention of Jesus outside of the Bible, but it's very suspect and was not written during his life.
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Go to an AA/NA meeting and see for yourself. I was asking you for evidence to support your claim and you want me to do the work for you? BTW just going to one AA/NA meeting would not be enough to evaluate the success of the programs.
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Quite a skewed example that shows your bias. Outside of the Bible there is no documentation of Jesus's life. But hey nice job using a strawman argument to support your claim of Atheists using a strawman argument!!
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Thank you billvon. Excellent post. The vast majority of those in successful addiction recovery are maintaining sobriety with a belief in God as they understand Him. Measuring the success rate of AA and other similar programs is very difficult and often disputed. What evidence do you have to support your claim that belief in God increases the success rate for those dealing with addiction?
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You are assuming there would never be proof. Which is possible and I think most likely. I prefer not to assume. No it's battling a question that they think they have answered. I am just attempting to show them it's not actually answered.
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It's not a strawman argument. Many Christians claim they have evidence that their God is real. So it only makes sense to ask what is this evidence. In the end no evidence has ever been submitted. All their arguments assume that their God exists and therefore falls apart when approached with critical thinking.
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Despite what many seem to think here, I am not trying to nor have I ever tried to prove that any deity doesn't exist. It's not possible. I am not the one making a claim. I am simply pointing out that there is no evidence to back the claims that many people have that a deity exists, specifically the Christian God. The final fall back for all of their arguments has been faith. Faith is belief with out evidence, so please don't claim there is evidence to support the existence of the Christian God. Otherwise faith would be unnecessary. In my opinion it is foolish to believe something exists when there is no evidence to even suggest that it does.
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So if you present something as factual then it's a form of evidence??? You have a very low standard for evidence, even if you call it poor evidence.
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We can do this all day long. There is no convincing argument that believing in a deity is not foolish. In order to believe in a deity you must first assume one exists. Why? because there is no evidence to support the existence of any deity. Every claim that god did this or god did that, first assumes god exists. The logic just doesn't work. It is foolish.
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The point is there is no evidence to support the existence of any deity. Just because people claim that their god helped them get off drugs doesn't mean their god exists or that he helped them get off drugs. It's not evidence that their deity exists. There needs to be evidence of a deity before it's reasonable to conclude that one exists. People believe all kinds of unreasonable things. Just because lots of people believe in deitys doesn't make it any more reasonable.
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That isn't evidence that can be tested. It's based on an assumption which can not be verified.
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No you don't have to trust the research. You can test it for your self if you want to.
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No, in order for it to be circumstancial evidence you have to first assume that the stories actually happened and then assume that a God exists to have been the cause of these things happening. Are the stories of Superman circumstancial evidence that Superman exists?? Or more to the point are the stories of Zeus circumstancial evidence that Zeus exists?
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There is no cirmumstancial evidence of God. There are only stories describing things that he supposedly has done that can not be verified in any way. The same thing can not be said for the Higgs Boson. If there is no evidence that something exists then it's not reasonable to conclude that it does exist.
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The silliness of an argument hasn't stopped anyone.
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There is evidence of black holes. There is reasonable evidence to think there might be extraterrestrial life in that scientists have found planets that have a similar atmosphere to earths. from Wikipedia. It's not reasonable to conclude the Higgs boson exists but it is probable. Deities and the supernatural do not have any evidence to suggest they exist.
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Since there is no evidence of any deity or anything supernatural the only reasonable conclusion is that it's not true. Odin is still being worshipped today, look up Asatru.
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That fits the metaphor of shepherd and flock!
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NM Court: Christian Business Owners Have No Rights
beowulf replied to RonD1120's topic in Speakers Corner
The distinguishing difference is that the drunk texan is disturbing the peace which is against the law while the gay couple is not breaking any law. Your stance supports bigotry.