richravizza

Humm... thats funny no mention of climate change liability or its implications https://www.npr.org/2019/05/15/723753237/pg-e-transmission-lines-caused-californias-deadliest-wildfire-state-officials-sa

The Green New Deal If you could buy your salvation, for your prosterity for the sake of humanity For the miracal that is our natural world, what would you pay? Drum roll please... Well for just $93 Trillion Dollars Salvation can be had. that right folks, may sound a bit steep but think of what you'll get!!! just make 15 easy annual payments of EVERYTHING. and If you can't pay it, no prob, we'll have your prodigy co-sign. They're worth it,and so are You. I'm with Her. no shit

So we're back to the "Peak Oil Theory " oh tease me I thought we all agreed, there is no free lunch? Try your majical feat in Vermont.You assume eveyone lives in a semi arid Desert of Sunny SoCal.That is definatly not representive. I would bet, by December you would be burning the forrest to stay alive. Nice we Agree, I dont think anyone on this tread is Pro coal. Oh I feel like a hug lol. Remember the Alarmist not long ago. Frack Land!!! The water air and Land would all be polluted.Lies lies and more lies. We agreed here too, but I find it interesting.While you would rather frack nat gas, than cut off a mountain top for coal, cool. But you dont have a problem with that practice when it comes to certian elements. Both you and but I hope you see the Risk and Damage that's already occured,in creating a third world, trace element boon,a fossil fueled industry and supply chain that's out of our control.

Instead of viewing Ted talks as mental masturbation.I try and view them as mental gymnastics.Very intelligent people with new exciting and imaginative ideas,forward thinkers, if you will.With so much of our time equity entwined in this debate,well hell,you could have finish it in the time it took for me to peck away at this Keyboard. Actually, I wasn't questioning the why.I question the Validity of shutting down the reactor in the context of GND. No mention of nukes and the same "environmentalist" will never allow more hydro-power.So like Germany buying coal power from Lithuania, VT can claim #2 in renewables by drawing power from other States and countries.All in a State the size of well,Vermont ranked #49. Fear,rules the day. Throw a hundred protesters at it and just disregard the forty plus years of safe, reliable, near Carbon free production. "More people have died falling off roves installing solar panels,than all the nuclear accidents in the entire history of of nuclear power in the U.S." The highest recorded temperature was 105 °F (41 °C), at Vernon, on July 4, 1911. The lowest recorded temperature was −50 °F (−46 °C), at Bloomfield, on December 30, 1933; this is the lowest temperature recorded in New England alongside Big Black River, also recorded a verified −50 °F (−46 °C) in 2009. The Inconvenient truth.

There was no question.Its a fact, a Statement.Your Progessive state is so progessive its Regessive,That was my point.I lived in W.Germany during Chernobyl so whats up with that?do you have a question.

No, I think the Physicist is triing to explain that there's no free Lunch when it comes to energy,Like the tailing ponds of coal plants this is the huge environmental price we pay, for fanaticism and haste in the face of Fear. Most likely, exactly where you wont see it.In some third word nation where the quality of life is pure Hell. Bernies' State, Ultra Liberal Vermont just went Backwards.Closing a nuke power plant ramping up CO2 emitions and riasing prices. How Progressive.

Run with that, Most of America knows she's a hypocrite,she lives in one of the best cities of America to take mass transit. What does she do? Take a subway, Take a train to D.C.? a Bus to her office? Video conference? Oh no, She says what she beleives all right,and a carbon footprint the size of Al Gore and DiCaprio to prove it. As for her intelligence,well you be the judge "O the Horror"

I took your advice came up with this. The table below shows selected causes of bird death out of an annual total of 186,429,553 estimated deaths caused by human activity. Mark Duchamp, the president of Save the Eagles International is probably the most prominent person to speak out birth deaths at wind farms. He says, "The average per turbine comes down to 333 to 1,000 deaths annually which is a far cry from the 2-4 birds claimed by the American wind industry or the 400,000 birds a year estimated by the American Bird Conservancy for the whole of the United States, which has about twice as many turbines as Spain." and this

LoL,When have I ever endorsed a coal power plant? you assume, us deniers are all alike. Now your going to defend an imbecile,a glass of water? this is going to be good. Did you watch any of the Video? Listen to one word of that poorly educated senior concpricy fellow, Mark Mills Well I got news for you,while your having your campaign socialist debates on the vertue of renewables. Merica just watched the Video, and can recognize a "useful idiot" when we see one. So is Howard Shultz now a right winger?

back to the subjuct of FEAR. I truly believe we will come together and embrace nuclear power one day. We will have come fulll circle. From the depths of the psychotic Cold War,the insanity of Mutual Assured Destruction,and all out thermonuclear war. To a place where the benifits to humanity and our environment can equally be embraced and celebrated.

As an ecologist at heart,I find this quite disturbing.What they dont want you to see.

and in the real world most "Green Houses" increase Co2 from 1000 to 1500 ppm. for optimal growth, I think GMO are already on this potential problem,just as they did with vitimin A deficency hence golden rice. Thank you, Good news for mankind in its' waning days of the apocalypse,is a refeshing breath of fresh air. Here in California the Devastating drought is officially over,but it doesn't seem to be news worthy. So right back at you... AOC is an idiot ...ya, thats why they FEAR her.. "I Can Fly, Free apple pie"

or,Was that James Hansen or Al Gore you were refering to that said, the Poles would be ice free and Manhattan under water. I really don't think either of those "denier sights" actually deny AGW,just the amount of excellerated warming that is atributted to AGW. They are also sceptical of AGW theroies predictions compared to empirical data, that said. The reason for the my post was not to defend those site,but to elevate the debate away from the typical hysteria and denial.

Nice some humor .....I think we're learning a lot in the debate. I don't particularly care for labels, unfortunately it's necessary, to simplify this debate.I recommend we try and defuse our emotional responce,that labels invoke. I invite you all, invest some time into this very serious subject.I spent a couple full days on Phll site,AGW is real, happening,The site displelled myths and misconcerption I had on AGW theory. But, the 'Alarmist psychology" of humanities maleficence is detrimental to our emotional health,even more so in our childern.We seem to be at a duck and cover moment. I beleive Bill said "Smoke stacks and pollution were considerned process." {sorry for indirect quote} Unfortunatly and fortunately thats true. Some relativism needs to be applied to a statement like that. Most of the Poor of America live better than the "Robber Barrons" of the day.Cental heat and air was non-existent running clean water,sewer sytems the list is endless.Gasoline was dumped into steams as a useless by product.Everything was horrible compared to todays way of life. So the first 12 minutes is my point,may lure you to learn more,dispelling myths and misconceptions.I think almost all the subjects on this thread are in laymans' terms.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/lithium-ion-battery-production-is-surging-but-at-what-cost#gs.Dff5LMjU Hope you don't have a bias with this site. Lithium-based batteries also require raw materials like cobalt, nickel and graphite, which further complicate the supply chain. Labor injustices in the extraction of cobalt are well documented. Over 20 percent of exports from the Democratic Republic of Congo, the world’s top producer, come from unregulated artisanal mines that often employ children. For raw materials like nickel and graphite, producing countries cope with water contamination and deforestation.

Most actually,trying to relate co2 to weather I find ridiculous. "And whoever Hansen is," well,I think he did the muppets. He has nothing to do with AGW theory. Beacuse its a complicated subject,lives are on the line, now and there no one solution. So I guess your on board with US Facking operations expanding around the world. International negotiations with actors like these? While China has canceled some coal-fired capacity due to lack of demand growth, China still plans to increase its coal-fired power plants to almost 1,100 gigawatts, which is over three times the coal-fired capacity of the United States. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/01/climate/china-energy-companies-coal-plants-climate-change.html Yes, I agree We are now in an interglacial period. Beacuse again,its a complicated subject,lives are on the line now, not 50 or 80 years from now,and there is no one solution.

Yes, finally we agree 2 out of 3 aint Bad.I think this gets an

Was this trolling or just a joke?

How do you Alarmist come to terms with the above statement? This came from Hasens MOUTH.. If you use my words, please Quote. themes and some context is in order. I don't think you read my views on coal. I think it's dirty full of carcinogens heavy-metal full of toxic waste and a principle generator CO2 and other GG. We are in agreement on its use. Sulfer dioxide can be found in nature,in small quantities abeit toxic, around nearly all geothermal or volcanic vents so. I don't think its a major player in the AWG debate, But its effects on the enviroment and ecology is well known.Thats why it became a priority. THIS CANT BE SAID FOR CO2. Please Excuse my incorrect use of side note.

We definitely have more issues facing us. But not dealing with AGW because of that is like a diabetic 300 pound smoker saying "why should I quit smoking? I have way more health problems than just smoking." This is the problem with the alarmist phycology,The earth is not close to that ugly 300 lb.portrait. If I Use your "example" the330lb,smoker diabetic. Than he Has a gangrenous limb,in sepsis, and in Shock because of humanity,so ya smoking is a problem. CFCs were just convenientes,proplellents,refrigerants,definately not part of the environment,actual Pollution. They were minor items removing,replacing,substituting them had very little effect of humanity or our way of life, at cost of nill. Acid rain was actually desolving statues,even the finish of your Car.It was definitely man made Pollution. Corrective action was more difficult and costly. Side note; they were amazed a 5.0L mustang had catalyst technology . But 'We just don't want to." As If it were that easy,tomorrow. What would be the cost to humanity?

I Agree. Man-made compounds such as chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), hydrofluorocarbons (HCFCs) and halons destroy ozone in the upper atmosphere (stratosphere).That is man made POLLUTION These manmade compounds did seam benign at first, but very basic science was needed to determine the clorine component was destroying ozone.the layman could understand it, although probably found it absurd. Sulfur dioxide and acid rain was even easier,High content sulfur coal was the norm,What most dont know is High Sulfur deisel was use in about 50% of car and nearly 100% in transportation.THE PLACE STUNK,the people saw the black forrests' dark green turning to a burnt yellow.The Germans' love their Forests, and love to volk march. Man made POLLUTION. But you see, CO2 is not exclusively man made.Nor a POLLUTANT. How Many of you where PROPONENTS of FRACKING !!!! ? As a result of fracking, U.S. production of oil and natural gas has increased dramatically. This increase has abruptly lowered energy prices, strengthened energy security and even lowered air pollution and carbon dioxide emissions by displacing coal in electricity generation. How many of you support Nat.gas even though it's a FOSSIL FUEL? I was a denier, then a belieiver and now I'm a sceptic..Lables hate'em. ''When the facts change,I change my mind, what do you do sir?" The wolves in our National Parks is a interesting story.You'll see, we got it wrong at first,we tried,thought we knew best.We eliminated the wolves,for decades the park and the ecology suffered.We eventually got it right. The Seqouia National Park did the same,One of the Great Groves was permited for harvest.All the trees were havested, ALL but ONE. Investors thought, ONE TREE a million board feet.we're rich!!! As it turns out 2000 year old wood aint so good.The enterprise went Broke. For over 20years the Forestry Service dutifully put out dozens of raging wildfires.Stopping them just short of destroying the last Tree in the grove.Little did they know fire is necessary.Unfortunately they had prevented the grove from regenerating.Once fire was allowed, undergrowth was cleared.The cones were torched seeds then germinated, the stuggle for water,nutient rich soil ,water and sun light eliminated.The grove is now amazing. Sequoia sapling every where, so dense,they will eventually chock off each other till a few will dominate the forest floor as well,as the skyline. I appologize for being blunt,and offensive After debating with the "So Cal wildfires subject' the obstinance of some,and their purposeful twist of fact.I became quite frusturated.How very intelligent people,Smarter than I,could be so stubborn. What I meant inso few word was,the Midevil warm period was the Natural state of the environment.The sun regardless of activity is the natural state.Even the Volcanos regardless of what they emit or their role in climate is Nature.The santa anna winds, same.

The co2 content is increasing, from their lowest.They will continue to increacse to 400-600 ,in the near future and continue probably to 800 ppm nothing will change that fact. No denier website is going to change the very obvious truth of that. I dont think one "denier" sight has.

Thats pretty closed,Here a Quote: Cato Institute climate scientists Patrick Michaels and Ryan Maue wrote that “surface temperatures are behaving as if we had capped 18 years ago the carbon-dioxide emissions responsible for the enhanced greenhouse effect.” Al Gore took ‘worst-case scenario’ data, rebranded it as ‘Global Warming’, and became a multi-millionaire. Hansen’s conclusion, they wrote, “significantly overstates the warming.” Good news is hard to find these days,

Please read https://principia-scientific.org/father-of-global-warming-scientist-finally-admits-theory-is-wrong/