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you rang! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

You must have really small shoes. Nope most of us are still wondering why your beating up on a old lady and why you give a fuck. If Jo wants to go to her grave thinking she was married to COOPER what fucking business is it of yours in the first place? She has as much right to post here as you or anyone else! Sound like you and your pal got an axe to grind, maybe your pissed off SHE didn't want to work with a rude asshat like person to write her personal memoirs. That how it reads on this end! You seem to think you have all the answers too, unless you can prove Ted Mayfield did it, your not really any different then Jo. You and your buddy both are just as whacked out as the rest of the nut cases who think that they have all the answers to this case. Besides that everyone knows Carbone is the real D.B. Cooper! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Well you could always try Richmond "The" Boogie in Richmond In. OR you could try out the Couch Freaks in Ft. Dodge IA Both are well known boogies and should be a some what short road trip for you.

What you talking bout willis? you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

What map, did ya forget something there Chris? That's ok it's easy to find the Ft. Wayne crew, just follow the smell! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Yea Yea yea..... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Bring your jump boots and party shoes. Check in @ the Richmond Local Tent, you'll find lots of locals, ask AJ where it is, it you don't understand the attachment. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I finally got the glue and paper strips off the monitor..... Shut up Fat ASS! Oh and Skinny, have we got a "clown round" for you!(evil laughter) you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Could be, but I know a Big Ugly Redheaded Guy who would take a person for slots and pack jobs, if treated right.....LOL! Or we can toss him out Friday afternoon IAD. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

That is because AJ and his hoodlums are going to be in Richmond @ Richmond "the" Boogie and this is why I invited you to attend, if you call AJ and ask real nice he might let you attend with his crew. Regardless if you get your hind quarters down here you can make your 2nd and 3rd tandems from a big turbine AC from 13.5 or 14.5.

Bill, Maybe it's a SOCAL thing? IDK but I have had more people here in the midwest go from AFF or TDM to S/L to afford the jumps because they wanted to learn to skydive and make more then one jump every two months and at an affordable rate. S/L is alive and doing well here in the midwest, we get a ton of collage students who chose to do S/L over the other programs because of the cost alone. Any DZ close to a collage or two were to start marketing hard 75.00 S/L FJC's you would get a ton signed up. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Welcome to the sky and to DZ.com You will see a few Indiana jumpers on here, gearless chris, cameramonkey, JRprater, and some others too. As a new person who is digging the sport, I would like to invite you to visit Richmond Indiana over labor day weekend, Aug.31 to Sept. 3 during those days you will see "what it is really all about"you will meet many jumpers from not only your local area, but from all over the world and you'll really have a blast too. You can find out more here-http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2904675;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread or on the website I linked to you. See ya there. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

There's a few. www.skydiverichmond.com you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

You just answered your own question, see #2. For one thing, we need to bring back S/L programs and keep the cost down for those 18 to 25 and still in collage or other schools, or even working stiffs for that matter. But many many DZ's across the country have and are doing away with S/L and price AFF & TDM's out of reach for a large part of the younger population. Too many were sold on "mainsteaming" the image and the sport as a whole and trying to cash in on the "extream" crap we saw a few years back. One of the biggest turn offs I see with students when they ask about learning, after their 320.00 dollar skydive/w-video is the cost of doing one of two progressions @ most DZ's, they can afford to stay current and already have a ton of student lones to repay or are taking them out for more school, but they would love to keep jumping and would bring their school buddys with them too, if only there was a cheaper way to learn! There are many people I have trained to be skydivers, who wouldn't be skydivers today had S/L not been available to them, just ask Floats18! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Sorry you just found out, I can tell you this Roy, that was the most classy tribute I think I have ever been too, very fitting and a day full of remembering what a great person Janie was. There was even a victory roll done low and slow by the Stearman, right over top of the gaveside service and of course it was East to West! There was a huge turn out Roy at sunset we all stopped to watch the day end and then raise a toast to "Mom". While it was a sad day and time, it was done up right and I'm sure she was smiling on us all. There will be a chance for you and the other out of town friends who couldn't be here to pay your respects, done @ the boogie Saturday. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Take a number pal and get to the back of the line! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Yea a "brand X" but are you sure it has vents to inflate the wings? Cuz the "Brand X's" were from the wing war era, swoop cords normal, a lot of them two peice and yes had bell bottoms and made out of heavy poly cotton. Got one myself just like it, only different! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Wendy Yes I can totally understand how the mind slips with age one of the reasons it is so easy for me to remember my EP's of days ago, is ,1. I was trained to do it, 2. I trained a lot of people to do it and 3. I still jump those types of gear, both belly warts and piggybacks, I even have a piggyback that you attach a second and third reserve to the front in warts, talk about weight and handles. The piggybacks even have factory Jesus Strings and ripcord housings that can be used as a object to pull on just like a jesus string, but better because it will pull the pins, in other words if you can get your handle you can grab the whole housing and start pulling. I still train those willing to jump that old shit too, I was at the dz yesterday doing rigging on the collection getting ready for the 20th Richmond "The" Boogie, as it stands right now the collection has 18 complete rigs ready to jump. I own 6 and one was own by another, the rest are DZ owned. We have two other members coming with their rigs so that adds another 7 for a total, plus Roy (cameramonkey) 1 and Buds 1, Dan Byrds 2 makes 29 jumpable rigs and I have parts for another 5 if I can find the other parts needed to build them. As I was packing those rigs and looking over all the different rigs before me, it is quite clear that we have one hell of a collection of sport death rigs every type of capewell and a huge difference in rig types, handles and locations and PC class canopies and reserves and deployment systems. ZigZag I understand your point as well, as I said I know people who have done so a lived, myself is one of those just as you did word for word. My point to the poster I was replying to was what is was, they are a lowtimer with little time or jumps, seems pertty stupid to me to hear a rookie make a statement that , I'm betting this person don't even have one chop or delt with shit going wrong yet, and that brings me back the the rounds, last year I test jumped a rig, I always try to test jump each and every rig before we let someome jump it, this time I was jumping my personal wonderhog and had a MK-1 in a pod turned sideways and some funky rigging on the hand deploy, so I wasn't even really sure what was going to happen. The reserve was packed no more then 15 mins before I was on the plane, when the canopy opened it had a "frontal tuck" type issue, from the ground and plane it looked like a "line over" type mal and everyone (noobies) all worked up and yelling to cutwaway. I was busy grabing riser and tugging trying to get it to clear and checking my dial as I was spinning around, I still had a lot of time to work with it and followed the 3 try rule, I got it cleared. Now before you all try to bust my balls about in air rigging, you need to understand more about rounds and why it was ok for me to work it out. With this little problem I had I could have landed it, I also had a good enough spin going I could have just pulled the reserve and let it deploy behind and land with both, or cutaway. As I have been building out this rig collection and having many, many first time round jumpers use them, I have had to order custom ripcords to get the rigs in the air, I still stand behind my statements and would rather have to call jumpshack and reorder a new custom ripcord built, then have someone go in because they didn't want to chuck a 50 dollar handle and keep their hands free to do what might need to be done to live! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I would say it is all in how you started, my thinking is always better to keep your hands free for the next job, like realing back in and tossing back out your canopy should the need be.

Those are for the fat face fuckers keeps stop face flap with the cheek plates. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Yea, mine is 26 skydiving, 4 flying, all dead & only 3 in cars real bad, but they lived. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I always knew you were LAZY, but damn it man it's called PASTE & COPY! JR Prater Stratostar Jugglo Floats 18 Armour666 Bolas UpNDownshop Gearless Chris lekstrom 10k redtwiga tonyhathaway wishnstar611 Scubadivemaster Jcecil cameramonkey bjadpm jumpin_junkee you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

So what your telling us is you place a value of Appx. 120.00 dollars on your life. Now that seems kind of silly to me. Now before you go off on me and try to feed me some line of bullshit about how your handles can't, won't, couldn't, cause any problems, there is a new friend of mine who has been around many many years in the sport and he is not doing well, this wise old timer has been heard to say "think up everything that can't go wrong, and it probably will, once!" That would be Al Frisby and what I have learned from guys like him is, never say never, just because it hasn't happend to you or your buddys YET, don't mean it won't happen!" Point being why have the handles in your hand and the cables flop'n in the breeze in close proxmity to your head/back where your reserve (last chance) is deploying from and risk an entanglement. Sure I know plenty of people who lived from doing it, but I've seen some pretty weird shit too in my time in the sport, I think I toss my handles when the shit hits the fan, we have been training this for years, WHY, because more then one person lost their life over a 40.00 dollar handle. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo