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My agenda is very different from yours, but found some of your information "fuzzy", regarding the subjects of other writers such as Christiansen. DO you KNOW HOW many SUSPECTS - Florence has "positively" ID'd as Cooper? She was on record as saying Coffelt was Cooper (perhaps you need to read the very rare and basically buried Vegan articles by Byron Brown the son James Brown)and now she Id's Christiansen by simply fingering the photo and saying - "I thing you are on to something". Of course the forum and others will tell you I interpert everything my way and I DO have a one tract mind. I do NOT link Duane in anyway to your theory of subject idea - There is only one suspect Duane may have had knowledge of or contact with and that is Coffelt because of the Lawrence, Ks connection and Coffelt's aka - of ROSS. Well as usual Jo Weber has it all wrong, and doesn't even have the basic facts straight, in her publicity seeking quest: To begin, the socalled "very rare and basically buried Vegan articles by Byron Brown the son James..." arent rare at all. Still available upon request. (2) and it isnt the "Vegan", it is the "Las Vegan Magazine". (3) and Byron Brown and his son were not the authors; the article in question was ABOUT Byron Brown and his claim that one Jack Cofelt was DB Cooper. The article was written by Jack Sheehan (not Byron Brown!). In 2008 Jack Sheehan wrote a short recapitulation of his earlier Las Vegan Magazine article about Brown, which I will attach below in complete form. I am doing this as a public service. Why Im doing it is totally beyond me! ____________________________________________ Jack Sheehan names names as the FBI tries to solve the mystery of D.B. Cooper By Jack Sheehan Tue, Jan 22, 2008 (2 a.m.) I was intrigued last month when the FBI announced it was reopening the investigation into the hijacking of a Northwest Airlines 727 jet in November 1971. Special Agent Larry Carr in Seattle is leading the investigation of the legendary and oft-romanticized D.B. Cooper skyjacking in hope of solving one of the most intriguing mysteries of the past century. Stories have been circulating recently on the Internet and across AP wires suggesting that anyone with information about the crime should come forward. Well, I’m coming forward today, but first I’d like to know, in the interests of my young children’s college educations, how much the reward is. I mean, I’m a self-employed writer with mouths to feed, so how ’bout it? To do my American duty, and perhaps add to the fun of chasing down a mystery that more than likely will never be solved, I give this name to FBI agent Larry Carr: Bryant “Jack” Coffelt. That’s who I believe to be the real D.B. Cooper. Here’s why I think Coffelt is their man: In the early 1980s a handsome young writer in his mid-30s named Byron Brown -- a “separated at birth” clone of actor Dennis Quaid -- approached me with what he said was definitive proof that a man he knew, a former prison buddy of his father’s named Jack Coffelt, was indeed the hijacker. Brown didn’t just present a hunch; he provided me with more than 200 pages of careful research he had compiled over the previous eight years. After dissecting Brown’s findings for several weeks and grilling him repeatedly in an attempt to shoot holes in his findings, I eventually became convinced that his conclusions were valid. We condensed his book-length findings into a 12,000-word, two-part article that ran in October and November 1983 in a magazine I edited called Las Vegan. Subsequently, the Associated Press interviewed Brown and me and ran an international wire story on Brown’s findings, which opened the media floodgates. Over the ensuing several weeks, Brown and I must have done 30 to 50 newspaper, TV and radio interviews from coast to coast. We were even screened by producers of the popular “Phil Donahue Show,” wondering whether we’d be willing to fly to Chicago for an appearance. But as the days passed our information got so much media exposure that Donahue eventually thought our story had “gone stale.” I was included in all these interviews as the editor who bought the story and was willing to stand behind its conclusions, but of course Brown was the one who had to answer all the difficult questions. Brown never once buckled on his findings, was never shown to be careless or unprofessional in his reporting, and made believers of nearly all who interrogated him. Though I’d need all the pages of today’s Sun to include every piece of Brown’s compelling evidence, here are a few of the morsels he presented in his articles: • In 1974, Brown and his father made a trip with Coffelt to the skyjacker’s likely landing spot in the Northwest to look for the backpack with money that Coffelt claimed had been blown from his shoulder grip when he left the aircraft. A beacon light, parts of an old Jeep and residue of parachute cord, all of which Coffelt had described to Brown, were found in the exact locations he had pinpointed on a map before their expedition. • Northwest Airlines stewardess Florence Schaffner, who was handed the ransom note from D.B. Cooper and spent most of the flight seated next to him, had rejected dozens of photos and composite drawings of potential suspects that had been presented to her by the FBI. But when Brown tracked down Schaffner in Hawaii years later and showed her Coffelt’s photos, she gasped and said, “Oh my God! Where did you get those? I never thought I would see that face again! It’s him! My God, it’s him!” • Seattle attorney George LeBissoniere, who sat three seats from Cooper on that fateful night, also positively identified him as the skyjacker from those photos. LeBissoniere then added a curious comment. “I identified those same pictures for the FBI six weeks after the skyjacking,” he said. It was known that Coffelt had been a government informant on several high-profile cases in the years before 1971, and some speculate that, to avoid compromising the work he did for the CIA, his identity as the man known as D.B. Cooper has been kept hidden by the government. So there you have it. Jack Coffelt is your boy. Send my reward money care of the Las Vegas Sun. And while I’m debunking, I’ll give you 5-1 odds that Warren Beatty is the subject of Simon’s hit song. (The only other person who knows for certain is TV producer Dick Ebersol, who bought exclusive rights to the information at a Martha’s Vineyard charity auction in 2003. But he had to sign a confidentiality agreement, so he’s not talking.) Jack Sheehan; Las Vegas Sun http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/22/jack-sheehan-names-names-fbi-tries-solve-mystery-d/

Im more concerned with failure to eat (under stress) prior to a jump - can cause dizziness and elevated heart rythm (metabolic) in older men. Can result in metabolic crash if blood sugars drop (loss of blood pressure and body temp). Cooper asked food be brought to the plane for the crew - did he eat any? Ive brought this up before but nobody addressed it. Ahhh, Georger sees a possible diminshed capacity defense if Cooper is ever caught. Although I am sure it was sensationalized by the press, Dan White's defense in the murder of SF Mayor George Moscone and gay activist supervisor Harvey Milk was based on a claim of hypoglycemia and/or insulin shock brought on by eating Hostess Twinkies and has been called the Twinkie defense. Airline peanuts are actually pretty healthy, but we dont know what he consumed other than Burbon. How could you handle a Burbon drink glass or cup without getting your prints on it? 377 The Twinkie Defense. Remember it. I had something else in mind based on other evidence in Cooper's kit. BTW, no evidence of Duane Weber's medical issues ever turned up in the Cooper evidence kit, along with dna. Jo always makes such a big issue about the dna being compromised but she forgets the 144 elements on the periodic table! Jo never finished Kinderfarm but she sure can post her sociopathy.

Im more concerned with failure to eat (under stress) prior to a jump - can cause dizziness and elevated heart rythm (metabolic) in older men. Can result in metabolic crash if blood sugars drop (loss of blood pressure and body temp). Cooper asked food be brought to the plane for the crew - did he eat any? Ive brought this up before but nobody addressed it.

How many hours before or after eating is it recommended that a person parachute? You might know the answer?

To correction your misinformation: Ah if you bother to look the thread already existed: http://www.thescienceforum.com/D.B.-Cooper-9518t.php Its a science forum where crackpots and Jo Weber arent allowed. It's too lo-profile for you seeking attention. Its interesting you would be searching for DB Cooper forums at this time? That's funny-predictable. Are you looking to spread your feces on a bigger wall? Hi Georger, Yes, you're correct. Maybe it was posted for your and Jo's benefit. The experiment seems to have worked.

If people search with google, they can find the forum georger is trying to get a thread started on. . To correction your misinformation: Ah if you bother to look the thread already existed: http://www.thescienceforum.com/D.B.-Cooper-9518t.php Its a science forum where crackpots and Jo Weber arent allowed. It's too lo-profile for you seeking attention. Its interesting you would be searching for DB Cooper forums at this time? That's funny-predictable. Are you looking to spread your feces on a bigger wall?

It may be a contaminant. People arent nearly as stupid as you need them to be to fulfill your narcissism.

although I have to give Jo full credit for first making the claim. 377 Here is another tidbit you missed - the Salt Lake City Mormon connection for Jo/s photo of nobody she posted here ... Here is Jo's post on the matter in 2005 at the Piedmont Forum where Jo was trying to pry info out of another woman who was about to compete with Jo in claiming her relative was DB Cooper. Jo was very explicit at Piedmont Forum - Jo was not as explicit here, and left us to wander around for weeks trying to figure out her puzzle.; Here is what said on Piedmont: Re: The D.B. Cooper Airplane Posted by: Jo Weber (---.ipt.aol.com) Date: August 04, 2005 02:03AM "Shawn Demonica --- I am the woman whose husband confessed to being Cooper 11 days before he died. His history and background tend to support this. I have done 10 yrs. of research on him and the Skyjacking and can answer most questions you might have, but prefer to do so thru private email. If your mother had a story to tell about your father then if she is still living I need to talk to her. How old are you? I am still looking for his daughter --- Zona is all I know. Her mothers name is Edna and I believe they were Mormons." Good luck 377. Im sure you will figure it out here someday -

I think you should continue ... its a social outlet for you and I know you miss it. Good luck with the addiction.

Come back! 377 Im going to state this as clearly as I know how - and people are free to take it for whatever its worth, to them personally. I am not here for social reasons, per se, to answer just one of Snowmman's queries. Beyond the blizzard of personal attacks, there are now issues of substance at stake, issues we spent months discussing. A body of core facts which Snowmman and others have chipped away at until at this junction I am not sure we even know the hijacking happened, and Im not being dramatic. This goes far beyond anything Tom Kaye and his panel is dealing with or any problems they may have encountered. We have worked for months under the assumption a few core facts happened, eg. Cooper jumped with an NB6 chute and now that is even in question in favour of an NB8 chute, and apparently this new information is now certified by Cossey himself! Where did that come from so late in the game? This is the unraveling I spoke of earlier in this forum when commenting about Snowmman's tactics, his psychological warefare and his dysinformation campaign. We (or at least "I") have arrived at a point where very basic facts are now in question and I for one see no good resolution in sight. This makes me question whether any discussion of DB Cooper is even possible, or what the goals of that discussion could be. It may well be this matter can be nothing more than a social ocassion and outlet for some. Thatis not why I came here. It is therefore necessary for me personally that I go elsewhere to try and unravel some of these questions of fact or to lay this matter down completely. An alternate website has been set up just for that purpose and I am going there if I ever decide to pursue this further. I will come back from time to time and check to see if anything is happening here. For me personally, it has to be that way now. Thanks and good luck. [edit]: and one last point. Anyone who thinks "I think" I am somehow necessary or vital to this debate, really is out of touch. I have always considered this a pure luxury, I can no longer afford or am willing to apply, under the current regime.

Quade must be in love with you! So, in a word we are all worthless to you except for 377 and Jo. Thanks for letting us know. Honesty is 99% of contumely. I sure hope you are speaking for 377 and Jo! But it no longer matters, as you know. We will act accordingly now. Good luck with YOUR and Quades' forum.

what drugs are you on? should we send out a search party?

Us? Speak for yourself. Its nothing but manic bullshit here.

QuoteAgreed. Can someone summarize what the "didn't survive" theory is? I can't keep track of it. Reply> It might be easier to re-read every page in this forum 5000 times under the new assumption Cooper had a tommy gun packed in his shorts.(377)

Snowmman probably invented it!

QuoteThanks Sluggo. What got me thinking about scholarly journals, is how the FBI has their own journal for real forensic scientists. I was reading some of it. It's great. I was really wondering how they would perceive Tom's work. I mean, an amateur, poaching on their territory? I mean they do real forensics. Reply> So, apply.

Stick around. The killing hasnt even started. I get upset with Snow too. Then I realise he doesnt know any more than Nixon did, and I feel better. Take a break. Go chase the cat around the neighborhood and you'll feel better. (I used to do that. My cat now chases me! Damned cat@!).

I guess this is how I get a gruff reputation, when IQ's drop below 30. Why is it always me who has to sort these things out? Then it turns out I have sorted nothing out. The public, ie, you and me, Tom, Dick, and Harry, Sno, Jo, and Mo... cannot speak for or be surrogates for, or claim to speak for or be surrogates for .......... this is all lawyer talk and YOU are the lawyer! .... the FBI. So if any non FBI person posts a photo which is then assumed to be FBI material, an association is implicit, potentially. It's just like if you posted a logo for your City Government on your photos and posts. Any implied association would be false. Yes? Of course it would. It is like that with the FBI ....... or any governmental agency of agency of authoirity, and on and on and on. Guage even gets upset when kicked out folks sneek back in under new nyms. Big no-no! well all of theabove explains part of it. I will let your paranoia fill out the rest. I am just a simple cow tending pleb in this matter, so what in Hell do I know! Ignore ever-thang I said. Understand?

Quote1969912 said: "Infiltrating the FBI offices might be more enlightening..... " We had the man inside. The whole friggin plan just blew up in our face, now we have to throw money and lawyers at it, cover our asses, retrench and plan a new attack. Sluggo was right. We should have went nuclear from day one.[/reply: All is not lost. Just a unexpected opportunities -

I posted this before here ... chart is for Willamette but for a station near PDX and Will-Col confluence so applies to Columbia also - Explain to these folks how the Washougal rises and falls, in little time, surge flooding... that might be helpful? I have the pdf Snow is talking about also others. Must dig them out... but will now. Oh... Snow had some evry good things months ago..

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got it -

This does not look like termite damage, but maybe something microscopic (that could be water or moisture borne). attached.

Safe something about the money find being surrounded by garbage. Not that garbage was in with the money? Made me wonder if there was a regular garbage route to Tina Bar, from some known source (Chi Li's Eggroll factory)? Maybe the money followed the same route and was snagged up in similar garbage? (at another date?)