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If Ted B. Braden was going to hijack a plane for money, would he have done it like Cooper? no definately not. he would have demanded $500k for a start. Destination: Libya

Anyone read the Columbia River piloting article? yes I did.

QuoteYeah, it was funny what Waugh wrote in the email to Jo. ------------------------------------------------------ I agree. Plain funny. We've had so many coincidences in this chase, with people already disposed to ,aking the most out of any small coincidence - inumeracy at its livliest. The troll thing: well I was half serious. Just following up on Sluggo's lead, but things have been more civil which makes things easier. Nuff said. I just dont happen to believe the odds are stacked in favor of a highly qualified Vietnam vet, certainly not SOG or the like ... thats just my bias. Im not saying Vietnam maynot be involved but not in the direct way you seem to think it is. I see nothing in Cooper which suggests a highly trained individual, at least not in aviation or military tactical methods. Maybe Im missing something. There could be a Vietnam connection but of an indirect kind. I take Cooper's physical parameters very seriously, which should be obvious. I mean age, generation, descriptors, and the like. I also have a set of psychological markers which I am using but wont comment on yet. And Tintin keeps popping up in the line of thought I am examining - its rather unerving. Did you know that Anthony Bourdain mentions Tintin in his "Kitchen Confidential". Someone reminded me of this last week, out of the blue. Children would have Tintin in France if they could afford it (loved it) ... and I know someone who has an office in Brussels soI made inquiry there and got some further perspective tohow much Tintin meant to certain people, in the 1960s, and the context of this which I have found interesting. It would not have to be our Cooper did Tintin himself, as much as his children did! The consenus in people I discuss this with is our Cooper had connections, perhaps strong social connections of like mind. So I follow this to see. Cooper came from somewhere and he was somebody. He had a history. He may have a very clear (and strong) psychological type. Some time ago I was forced to ask myself: was this a hi-tech or lo-tech crime? The answer is obvious and I think it has implications across the board. Cooper took a decidedly lo-tech approach to everything, as I see it. (Some of the investigators and now 'we' are trying to take a hi-tech approach. which may have implications across the board and be a mistake.)

All photos are colorised, if only in the color balance of the camera & processing etc. Sluggo is suggesting someone hand 'painted' the pupils by hand, as per the Unionville Studio which hand paints the pupils on all its portrait photos, because owner Gerdy Clark learned it that way in her DeVries Institute Photo Art class for which she paid $99.95 and got certified certified, back in 1940! Think of all those returning veterans and their familes who wanted their photos taken after 1945! Gerdy could now afford a car and a new husband! This photo is not of that calibre but it definately belongs to a genre of some kind. It looks like a good military photo to me, but who knows ... Will any of this matter? I doubt it. Did Braden speak with an accent, Mae'um? At least Waugh had an idiom in his favor - I forget what it was.

OCA2 and other genes have previously been implicated in eye color (here, here, and a new paper that I haven't blogged on yet) Here, they look at more variants in OCA2 and are able to predict eye color from a "modest number of SNPs in the gene." Answer: These are issues of variation, ie melanin production, eg hazel eyes as a variant from blue, green, brown. The old bey2 and gey data still stands so far as I know. Brown is genetically dominant.

Issue over. Go to Plan B3R4N12.3 An individual with brown and blue alleles of the bey2 gene on chromosome 15. There are two copies of chromosome 15. Each copy has the bey2 gene. On one copy the bey2 gene is in the brown flavor, in the other the bey2 gene is in the blue flavor. The difference between the brown and blue alleles is due to some difference in the genetic code for each gene (the DNA sequence for the bey2 gene is under construction). I don't know what the heck you're talking about Georger. reply] I am saying, bey-2 Brown on C-15 is dominate over everything. Has nothing to do with mutations. Mutations is a separate subject. Has to do with the production of proteins, melanin, and eye pigmentation. Signor Braden is not your man. - back to scheduled trolling -

Issue over. Go to Plan B3R4N12.3 An individual with brown and blue alleles of the bey2 gene on chromosome 15. There are two copies of chromosome 15. Each copy has the bey2 gene. On one copy the bey2 gene is in the brown flavor, in the other the bey2 gene is in the blue flavor. The difference between the brown and blue alleles is due to some difference in the genetic code for each gene (the DNA sequence for the bey2 gene is under construction).

I thought I did - or am I getting more absentminded? Carbon Copy w/ red and black. I said Out Loud "Portand to Seattle and the date Nov 1971. Boy this is an old ticket!" My approximate words. Had wanted someone hypnotize me to see if I would remember the numbers - but - Carr screwed that up by posting the boarding pass which the stewardess retrieved. Stated I thought hypnotisim was hocus - pocus but would have tried. Did Duane know Fidel Castro? Mao tse Tung? Winston Churchhill? Cheknee Canou?

Les Paul? How about Django Reinhardt? Did he git it? What is the old saying about a "shaggy dog" story? I am just amazed at how Jo gets rational people to examine the most incredible claims. Maybe Georger is an exception. He never succumbs to the Sirens. 377 Was married to a Siren. That cured me.

The blind must follow -

The fact that the dog was buried so deep AND that it was buried in plastic tells me Duane was worried something (other dogs, wild animals, whatever) might try to dig it up. As any kid who has buried a pet a foot or two deep in a porous container might be able to tell you... only if you include a penny for the boatman. An enterprising practicioner will steal the penny from a poor person.

Because all physical laws require Human intervention. We have known this since the Gilgamesh story. Their ancestors knew it, from the Knee Bone Hip Bone story written by Hut Tumush. The Torah was an outgrowth of that, a nice early Phonecian version of how the world works. If there were not human invention, the Universe would stop - instantly. The Disciples of Anthropic Secret Design know this. Jo knows this. Les Paul knew it. Himmeslbach knew it. But you and Orange and 377 and Sluggo just don't git it! You must bury evidence in the asshole of a dog. That keeps the planet orbiting the Sun.

Rataczak to ask about the $400K When you talk to Rat ask him what he meant by: 'could se the suburbs of Portland coming up'. Where was he? Does he know what his location for that statement was?

When I mentioned that DB Cooper had demanded $200,000, Marianne interjected and said adamantly, “Not he didn’t. He asked for $400,000 at first." reply] This is not the first time Ive heard/read that it was 400000 and not 200000. Years ago on a Boeing forum? or perhaps the Peidmont forum? a poster posted this assertion. He never explained or defended, just stated: 'it was $400,000 not $200,000'. Nobody questioned the statement. I just let it pass but noted it but I may have copied into a Word doc - it would take some time to find it. This has definately been mentioned before by people but this is the first time Ive read any context (ie. listening to short wave). Later, the same claim was given me verbally by a retired Boeing employee who claimed the actual demand was for $400,000, but was reduced to $200,000. I dismissed the story then also - Now here it is again! Im wondering if some newspaper ever reported $400,00 in an early account? However: Schafner's note is specific, quote: Nov. 24/71 Flight #305 From Portland – Seattle. Man with a brief case with a bomb – request $200,000 by 1700 As I sat down the stewardess seat handed me a note. And (I?) wrote down his request.

Thanks Jerry...

Meanwhile, Jerry slogs through the Washougal looking for a glint of a B 12 snap or the rusted springs of a Navy pack opening band. Long odds, but Jerry knows that rig is out there somewhere. Georger mercifully does not post the odds of Jerry finding it. Funny.

There is a NATIONAL Data Base on Spores and Pollen. I couldn't catch the name of the professor so I am ordering this documentary. Regarding the diatoms was another professor - and he is able to test for the diatoms and tell you what water and which river it has been in. There was much more discussed in this film but these are the things that supposedly the team jumped on in Wa - but none of the men were contacted that I am aware of. The FBI and Kaye and Georger talk about Pollen or spores at the time and yet NO ONE DEMANDED this be checked against the National Data base. Why wasn't the diatoms addressed more aggressively? I would like to know if the TEAM suggested this these tests to the FBI and if the FBI declined or shoo shooed it. If they paid 50K to Tom then why would they not do the tests he recommended? These issues are well known and a part of the ongoing investigation. Tom Kaye was not paid $50k by anyone (that was a rumor the Snowmman started).

I cant be bothered! Im going out to paint cows. Nothing else left to do!

single events don't prove anything. (edit) I've also posted about suicide jumpers into the Columbia. And that guy who crashed his plane. The places their bodies were or weren't found, disagrees with the Jerry Dogma. This is a reply to you and Jerry and Orange. A few remarks and then some serious stuff. Im sitting here chuckling. Jerry Dogma? Jerry has been at this a long time. His views are hard-won and tested, so far as he is concerned. A little gumbly but sincere 100% and loyal as can be. Jerry will be out there on the ramparts asap chasing down anything that comes his way, sometimes even if he believes its a waste of time. And Jerry checks everything out with Ralph and others, just to be convinced in his own mind. Jerry hates mistakes! Even his own. Jerry makes mental notes on everything and if he knows you are sincere he will check things out, often in spite or not wanting to. This is the Jerry Ive come to know and respect and admire. Dogma? Dont we all have some? Orange: so far as we know Cooper bailed blind into turbulence, above a cloud deck, probably Moonlight above, and with a chute that could not really be directed? Under those conditions I dont know that psychology would have a whole lot to do with anything. Almost comparable to dropping a cow out the back of that 727 ? Jerry: Damnit! I would send sweet corn and tomatoes but there's no good way to smoke them! I suppose I could send a refrigerated truck but is it really worth it? The neighbors might accuse you of receiving corpses for float testing with Tom, and then we would all be in a world of hurt! We could say it was Ralph and Carr's bright idea, and I even have witnesses I can drum up!!!! So, no refrigerated truck with Iowa produce is coming. End of story. Yea Ive heard this limp excuse about "holes" before. Holes - Schmoles! What have holes to do with anything in this case. There is no proof holes affected anything. Could of, might of, should of have nothing to do with it. "Out to sea" is a good out. Wipes the slate clean. Lets FBI agents sleep at might. Lets Tom sleep at night. Let's Jerry sleep at night. Im trying to think of something really smart to say here but cant come up with anything, so Im switching NPR on - damn. Its all dogma!

Coming from you. I appreciate that. Its a rough calc and could be refined for any given flight path. Probability can be applied to any number of situations including odds of a corpse entering the Columbia via the Lewis then being intercepted by a passing ship and snagged. By taking only the segment of a flight path where Cooper could have bailed and comparing the amount of land mass to water area under the dz grid at any moment in time, a hard calculation of probability can be made, very easily. There is so little water area to land mass available with the plane moving to swiftly, the time window for hitting a specific water target is brief. The odds improve dramatically as one moves east of V23 into the Washougal tributary system, but delivery from the Washougal tributaries to Tina Bar specifically is problematic. Hydrologist Bradley knew this also. The problem now is Palmer's work at Tina Bar vrs. Tom's new measurements. It may have escaped notice, but Jerry seems to agree with Tom and thinks Palmer's work was wrong. Perhaps Jerry could explain why he thinks Palmer is wrong? (I knew this would happen! We are right back to the central issue of core sampling, which Palmer did not do).

Yes, but you left mock-ups out of your list I think you two are confusing Murphy's Law with statistics. One is based on the psychology of (some) people, the other based on randomly distributed occurrence. Is there a difference? Yes. One is biased. The other is biased in favour of the House! Houses do not parachute.

and except when standing near power lines or metal buildings or bodies of water, cows align themselves with the magnetic poles, except on Nov 13th at Midnight UTC.

Ive been looking at distributions also, namely the Probability of a drop within a 4 mile x 1 foot swath hitting water, anywhere along any version of the flight path from SEA to below Portland. The odds improve near the Columbia which is 600ft wide at Portland, according to USGS. I am assuming a 200mph ground speed or 293.3 ft/sec., Cooper cant see the ground and doesn't know where he is and does not time his drop, and a straight line wind vector from either 166 or 235 degrees enclosing a target zone approx 1 foot wide x 4 miles in length which I believe is a reasonable target space to calculate probabilities with. I believe my calcs are in the ballpark and conservative. (1) The odds of randomly hitting water anywhere between SEA and south of Portland during any second of flight travel are: 1:6,194,496.0 (2) the odds of randomly hitting water anywhere between SEA and south of Portland during any minute of flight travel are: 1:371,712,000.0 The flight covered far more land mass than water target opportunity. A simple check of maps and land mass confirms this. Odds are only slightly improved near the Columbia at: 1:6,018,516/sec and 1:361,152,000/min. I calculate there is only a 1.37 second window during which odds would have improved for Cooper hitting the Columbia, during a brief interval when flight #305 was near (south of) the Columbia. Anywhere north of this very brief interval and the odds revert to the random odds expressed above, and it does not matter where #305 crossed the Columbia, whether at Portland or at Troutdale. Due to the limited area of the Columbia exposed and the velocity of the aircraft, the time for a drop intersecting the Columbia is brief. The random odds of Cooper hitting water during any random second or minute of flight travel are small, even near the Columbia. There is only a 1.3 second interval or less in which odds would have improved for Cooper if his intention was to land on or near water. And if you add up the total number of seconds or minutes of flight travel between SEA and Portland, the overall odds are extremely small - there are better odds in a lottery! One can always argue this was a 'one time only' event, using an extended time scale. Arguments are still subject to validation, regardless of form. Any improvements in the above are invited and would be welcomed.

Thanks Jerry. Glad we got to talk. I thought trying to nail down the DATE the Fazios saw a debris field might be in order. It would seem a simple thing to do?

Georger: There was some mention of a pollen or spores found on the tie by Kaye. Is this correct? If so - I believe we can limited the pollen obtaining these spores or whatever you want to call them from the Agriculture Dept. of GA, KS, MO, AL, Fl and S.C. Surely that would limit the comparisons. There must be a data bank on these with the Agriculture Dept. of these states. If Kaye has the analysis on the spore or pollen - couldn't it be compared with existing data? I am thinking that we might get someone in the Depts of these States to volunteer their time to check this spore or pollen against what they have in their data bases. If we get a hit on any of these states - then we know where that tie has been. I suppose we need to include WA and OR in that group encase it was recent exposure from Coopers stay. I wondered to myself (always to myself - remember I am crazy) if this was not possible. These states seem to have a connection with other suspects besides Weber...and would be a good starting point. I know such a data base is available for Ky so why not other states. I cant speak to the pollen. It has been an issue for a long time.