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I have an idea on how to approach the Dormuths. Might not work, but I will try and I will do it before Thanksgiving. That's all I can say right now because B.S. reads this column. Those are someone's initials, not an observation. I don't know...could be both. Blevinaide - STOP! The lies. Crashing the party again. The Dormuths threw your book into the trash and rightly so. Who is Blevinaide to the Dormuths? Gate crasher. Imposter? Fire engine chaser and pretender? All you did was insert yourself in an ongoing negotiation once you found out about it. That is your whole shtick" and reason or being here -freebees. You really are a shamless piece of cheese, Mind your own dumb business for a change, Blevinaide. Th Dormuths tossed your damned book into the trash where it belongs. Jo Weber must be sick. The old Jo Weber would have been all over this .

OK Snowmman! Whatever - Read past posts or get 377 to explain it to ya - [edit] ah shit. Farflung is not hunky after all. but a mere conspiracy driven mortal. Arent we all at some point? Follow the link. (since 377 has chosen to sit in his excellence and not to explain anything!): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/D_B_Cooper_Research/ 377 posted the info clear as day - you missed it. Read the forum? I did not INVITE anyone here. 377 did!

Hi, Snowmman.

Snowmman, you're full of shit.

You do realise the pressure issues have not been resolved - I sit and wait for some genius to do it - Far-a-flung .... and No, I did not bring Hominid here? (How would I and when?) Long ago I brought Bernoulli up but 377 and Ckret said no, so I abandoned that idea. Still something accounts for the pressure differential when doors are opened and closed etc in an 'unpressurised' cabin. Maybe Blevins has the answer? Being one of the boys and such. Lets see: pressure inside and outside the vessel the same (at 10,000ft), traveling at 170 kts, must be some kind of ram pressure involved, laminar flow across the skin of that vessel, vacuum at certain locations along the vessel (especially near the back and underside back?), .......... Blevins - HELP!

That is why I recommended Turnbull. His books are full of technical details of how a hunt proceeds etc. Details of social relations with neighboring tribes etc. Turnbull would spend years living with a tribe to learn the details - thats what separates his books from .... 'Blevins Facebook adventures'? Good luck - Facebook adventures? I beg to differ. Try getting washed out into the Pacific Ocean for a few days. Or being stuck up on Mount Rainier and having to figure a way out. These are not 'Facebook Adventures,' sir. They are real life. MY life. Not that I'm proud of some of the decisions I made that put me in those situations, but I'm still alive and that says something. And if I ended up dead UP THERE or OUT THERE, this would be preferable to ending my days having meals fed to me or being hit by a bus. I've been hiking and camping the Great Northwest since 1968 and continue to do so. It's no big deal. One time I got stuck out in Death Valley, and I'll admit it wasn't one of my better moves. Luckily, beer and a pair of pliers saved my life. Here's some advice: If you get lost in the Great Northwest, just settle in and make sure you can stay warm and have water nearby. Chances are you won't need food. It takes a long time to die of hunger and the Search and Rescue teams here are VERY good. Mind your own damned business FOR A CHANGE!?

Cooper's was a crime of passion (probably) not a crime of gain per se. Once you get that straight you will be on your way to becoming ... a hamster. Robert replies: Nice rant. Substance=near zero. Not a crime of gain, 'per se'? Then how come he didn't ASK for pomegranates? (*laughs*) You are truly funny sometimes, I swear. If he was just happy to make people do his bidding and had no other agenda...he would have left the money on the plane. rant? arrogant dumbass Walter Mitty reply.

I'm more interested in the technical parts. Like having the people show in detail how they get about the business of living/surviving. . That is why I recommended Turnbull. His books are full of technical details of how a hunt proceeds etc. Details of social relations with neighboring tribes etc. Turnbull would spend years living with a tribe to learn the details - thats what separates his books from .... 'Blevins Facebook adventures'? Good luck -

One thing I have enjoyed is studying primitive living, native plant uses, etc. I've done that as part of wandering in the wilderness and hunting with a bow. If you have any interest in that kind of stuff, how about dropping names of a few plants you figure are more common up there where there is actually rain. I can look 'em up and start getting prepared for NW wilderness stompin. You might like Colin Turnbull's books: his books on the pygmi hunting culture, his book about an Amazon tribe 'The Tribe that Hides from Man' ... he always lived with the cultures he studied and wrote about to get a firsthand view.

Yawn. This claim is not really worth the attention of the Tease Police, but it's a slow day on the beat. You haven't solved the case Jo. Why imply that you have? Is teasing in your DNA? 377 in your long patience have you not learned the difference between her tease and her gossip - she gossips here about gossip in WA and gossip she is privy to. Now she will be pissed I sprang her leak. Shall I name it!? You people are shameless.

Sounds simplistic, but I think it was the money. One of the reasons I believe this is because he seemed so happy to get it. Had it been part of some big conspiracy, he would have just checked the money bag to make sure the currency was real and then set it aside. But from the stews' testimony, he seemed really happy when NWA came through for him. In 1971, $200,000 was worth $1,040,000 today. Jackpot, baby. It's been fun, but now I gotta run. Or fly, as the case might be. (*smiles*) Yes, your interp is simplistic. Actually. Coop would have been happy/giddy with a basket of pomegranates had he asked for that. Getting the people in the 'system' to do his bidding was a victory in its own right - the money perhaps a token only and in fact he mentioned that to Tina. Correct? Grudge>Object of grudge>token/satisfaction. Try the Julius-Ruis set. It works. You will love it, once you get beyond Narcissism and self pity. Cooper's was a crime of passion (probably) not a crime of gain per se. Once you get that straight you will be on your way to becoming ... a hamster.

The money is the only shred of hard evidence - anomaly and pun intended :) And what precisely do you want the money to show? What should it show? What would be nice to have it show? Compared with the placard...

The pressure is basically the "static" pressure. . Static vs Ram pressure. http://home.earthlink.net/~mmc1919/venturi_discuss_nomath.html

Er, OK. My second-rate-vs-real-sciences math never took me there Look here: http://www.fractal.org/Julius-Ruis-Set.pdf at the bottom of the pdf are some links... the model was designed as a behavioral management decision making predictor tool... could apply to Cooper. Been holding this in reserve for just such an ocassion you brought up.

Sure, Georger. Still just the same. We would have to know how much the stair fell, and how fast, when kicked by the pneumatic actuators. I could estimate the kicks from the pressure and the volumes, by scaling, but would have no idea what the resistance by the stair would be. We'd need not only weight of the stairs, but how much is used up in shearing the lugs and shoving the air and breaking any hangup. Basically, though, the reason for the bump would be the same as for the one we know of. Just opposite direction. The only reason I mentioned the possibility is that if anyone is ever able to get access to info from the flight data recorder, knowing of such possibilities could help in correlating events. If you never found the source of the chart you asked once about, I have a couple of possibilities. Let me break this down - (a) do you have an estimate of the pressure inside the (unpressurised) cabin traveling at the height and velocity it was traveling? The pressure inside the vessel has to be high enough to trigger a response from the guages when opening and when closing .. (b) How do you distinguish opening pressure spike from closing spike? Different nominal pressures for each? (c) Could oscillations be confused with an opening event where lower pressure was involved vs. a closing pressure spike? (d) We have all these reports of jumpers passing through doors (or juping from the bottom of the stairs) all creating a swoosh (pressure differential) - any thoughts on that phenominon? Lastly, you realise the significance of a opening and closing spike? He bails later than thought. ?

we need a second thread for this crap!

377 ... I've forgotten too much maths. But one thing economics teaches you is that just about anything can be represented with an equation and a graph ...maybe I'll have a go at modeling the forum one day. Clearly a behavioral economist would have a lot to say about the lack of rationality here Save your time; its already been done. Its a Julius-Ruis set.

You mentioned the "pressure drop." I assume you mean the "pressure bump." What the crew figured they felt when Dan left the stairs? The discussion does relate to that. The fact is that the stair could not have rebounded and produced that bump unless the stair was rather free to flap. The only way that could be, is if the normal control handle were left in the UP position. Numerous sources about the stairs say that normal unpowered drop of the stairs is slow (as they suck hydraulic fluid out of the reservoir) and that the stairs are held down by the hydraulic fluid even if the hydraulic power is not applied. 377's manual makes clear to anyone with hydraulic system knowledge/experience why that is the case. Such diagrams are like words to engineers and technicians. Hope this helps In another place you say, quote: "It is also possible that a pressure "bump" would have occurred as a result of the stairs quickly opening. If so, this bump would have been opposite in polarity from the bump caused in the later flight test by the stair rebounding upward. That is, a pressure bump caused by use of the emergency extension would have been a big "suck" instead of a "blow." Care to explain your current thoughts on this?

uh, bored, lonley? Speak for yourself for a change, Blevins!

agree.

Sailshaw isn't Bob Knoss. Sailshaw is a retired Boeing engineer who worked on the 737 airstair. The yearbook photo shows Sheridan Peterson as a teacher not a student. He's the right age to be a credible DBC. His qualifications are amazing: Didnt Sailshaw say Peterson rented a room from him. In any event Sailshaw is not Mr. Knoss, and never was -

once you have hit Post Reply, you will notice a new page and line appears saying: Click here to view the post. Clicking that takes you right back to the page you posted to. Once back to your post and still logged in you have the options of: Edit, Delete, Quote, Reply - which appear above your own post. Simply hit Edit and this takes you back to your post to make spelling changes or whatever - I use Edit a lot for my own posts because its an easy tool to use. Those are the basic mechanics involved... I read all of your posts at the other forum so am laying back waiting ... No rush. Lay it all out at your own pace ...

Thats why I asked - its yours to do, will lay back. Welcome to this thread, and thanks. G. ps - there is no NEW POST button. Just erase whatever header is showing on reply and type in a new header started by NEW.. I think thats how others do it. Jo Weber does hers in red.

May I quote a couple of your sentences from the other group, here? To get to the meat of things? G.

Lac+ colonies appear red on the MacConkey medium so if a strain exhibits a high level of spontaneous mutation (e.g. a mutator phenotype), it will accumulate mutations after beginning to grow on the medium. If a reversion occurs early in the life of a colony, the daughter cells within the colony will be numerous and form a sector, if the reversion occurs later, fewer daughter cells will arise before the colony stops growing and so a small spot or papillus arises. This idea is analogous to the "jackpot" concept in the Luria-Delbruck fluctuation test. Farflung has yet to display any of these symptoms ? I hope you don't! As for this colony as a whole - its self evident. Slow growth group, so fewer mutations away from original forms - eh? Stagnation personified. Will probably sit unchanged for at least 250k years, baring outside interference that is, eg. ufo hunters arriving from T Pyxis ? So, tell us about bumps from de-pressurisation vs re-pressurisation in a depressurised vessel traveling at 10k feet at 180mph ... sounds interesting. Lets mutate fast! P=f/a