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Georger, in part: Hmm. Guess I should tell you upfront I don't believe in organized religion. I lean more toward the Sioux view of things than anything else, i.e. the Great Spirit, lifeforce permeating everything, etc. Sometimes I think the Sioux were the ones who actually wrote Star Wars, not George Lucas. 'Use the Force, Luke...' I thought the History Channel folks covered the Christiansen story very well. It wasn't myopic, and they didn't distort the known facts on him. I especially liked the part where Geestman tells them he thinks Kenny could be the hijacker, when at the same time three witnesses place him WITH Kenny the week of the hijacking. He didn't even know at the time that these people had given that testimony. LOL. Now...none of that means Kenny was the guy. Still, I wouldn't mind seeing the Seattle FBI running that bit of tape for him from Decoded on a TV, then presenting him with the testimonies from his ex, Helen Jones, Jones' daughter. I'd like to see him Pinnochio his way out of that one. Dismiss it if you like with another snarky comment, but it's a legit question that the FBI should ask of him. In fact, it's an OBVIOUS question that needs to be answered. Yes...Gayla and I live together, not that it's any of your business. But the difference is I'm not collecting a couple of thousand a month from the state claiming to be her caretaker, as old Bernie Geestman is doing. She might be a recovering cancer patient as Geestman said (probably yes) but she looked plenty healthy when she answered the door, and I wonder now if he bothered to tell the State of Washington they were in a relationship. I have to hand it to the old guy, though. He must be a real stud. She was about twenty years younger than him. Sorry...didn't click the image. You will have to settle for text in the snarky comments. I can avoid the pics, but I'm kinda stuck with the text. Again you dont know the difference between logic and emotion. You didnt have the faintest idea what you were getting yourself into and now like some gambler you keep putting down chips in the faint hope the odds are wrong andwont play out. Persecution of others is not your OUT! Dont pout.

Gee, that's great to know. But since I've never said that I could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Christiansen was the hijacker...how do you manage to assert for sure that he WASN'T? You're doing the same thing that others have done when they said they KNEW the identity of the hijacker, only you are doing it in reverse. It's still the same thing. You can't say he wasn't, any more than I can say he WAS. Part IIB-8BR-947.23 Rev. Blevins 148:13 Gee Blevins. Are you using the Fallacy of the Straw Man? Its in every elementary logic textbook. Its the favorite of every preacher. Proof you cannot prove or disprove God! Therefore he exists! Except fer one thing there cowboy. Leonard Euler proved it wrong in 1746. So much for that piece of Blevins gobblewobble. Mathew 25:23

In Reply To ------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Geestman According to IMDB, he would be 86 years old. Do you even know if he's still alive? ------------------------------------------------------------ Yes, he's alive. I spoke to his sister and her family about ten days ago. He's fine. Still living up near Port Angeles, WA with that woman. ------------------------------------------------------------ With that woman? Dont you live in sin? Ill bet you click this image! Better read the note, and give it back when ur done, Rev. Blevins. When will the money and the chutes be ready ? PS: The lens you and DECODED offered to the world is a distorted image! Myopic, selective, and filtered for affect. People do NOT live in a vacuum you have portrayed. Revise your doctrine and your message, Rev. Billy-Bob Blevins.

Yes, he's alive. I spoke to his sister and her family about ten days ago. He's fine. Still living up near Port Angeles, WA with that woman. With that woman? Dont you live in sin? How do you feel about Hutterites and dating fellow FBI agents? Got any gossip about the Tina Bar photos? I know a guy who used to patrol that stretch ... he could tell some stories that would turn a Martian white! Want to meet my bulls and run for your life! Two blocks wont mean a thing to you - good exercise - You will be in the next county within the hour - I guarantee it! Isnt he pretty! ???

Besides, doing it in the middle of Auburn Days probably wouldn't have worked. You have to park a block or two away from the theater, then make your way through the crowds in the streets. (Downtown closed to traffic all weekend) Now thats a crock. I had to walk 16 miles to country school in all kinds of weather, one way. The toothpaste is four blocks away from the checkout lane at Walmart. The grocery section is 5 blocks away. You have to walk two blocks just to get from the parking lot to the front door of the HyVee. And the average walk per day at the university is 4-8 miles! I thought you portrayed yourself as a Mountain Man? Admittedly a LOST one. Excuses - excuses. Georger/Weiner aka "Weiner Roast".

The problem wasn't people being disinterested, the problem was you, your attitude, and the way you handled things. You had to control all things and every little thing, and when you didn't get your way, you announced to everyone that the symposium was off. Your tantrums went on for weeks, even months. Be careful, please! RMB will have you put on the watch-disrupter-list at Auburn, with ten swat teens ready just in case you breathe. Consider yourself lucky you escaped. I need to break off to put the attack dogs out in the yard, just in case Cooper Poachers show up, in crow suits ?. The dogs are backed up by four bulls. Isnt he a beauty? He has a real thing for book salesmen!

Correction - he could not laugh. His jaws were wired shut with rope, his arms at his sides, his legs bound together, feet and toes pointing, after backing (hopping) down the stairs in the Curtis Maneuver. We now have to look for an English trained French Canadian from Manitoba who worked in machine shops, but had served in Vietnam, knew the CIA and 727 dynamics, and might have been in one Olympics! And Lutheran! A short list. Now we are narrowing in on KC, Petey, or Geestman! Dont need any stinkin dna! Its all about "the Gold". An atheletic award in someone's background is the key! Religion next. Cooper was obviously an approriate dresser and liked hnaging down things. Here's a clue based on Matt's discovery. And, how long before RELIGION plays a role in the discovered Cooper case, based on personal experience. I am POSITIVE Blevins and Matt have strong views about that, yet to be woven in as FUNDAMENTAL DOCTRINE BASED ON PERSONAL EXPERIENCE? Tell me this is not the direction and I am wrong! Did Cooper "pray" with Tina? Lutheran? Auburn Bible Church? Atheist? Lutheran - Christianson? The direction is necessary and obvious, given the biases of the investigators. Its been there hovering like an angel, all along. God will play a role. There are magic numbers involved too: known only to _________ you guessed it! 5658559559558, I bet a book guy knows those numbers and is saving them for a coups de grasse. Matt too? 666 divided by the number of shelves at AB books, confirmed in a note KC left his brother.! The average length of rope needed to suspend a canon ball below the monads falling in free flight for 58 seconds - squared - which only a paratrooper, Himmelsbach and Jerry Thomas would know! Flight paths and facts are so mundane!

Huh? Evidence is fact. Conjecture is nonfact. Your conjecture as to how Cooper bailed or did not bail, tied or did not tie a bag of cash, as you would do it, is all conjectuire = nonfact. As to time: Took Cooper t-minutes to tie and arrange the bag of cash as per Tina's direct witness. Tina left at T+1 from the start of Cooper doing the tie job. Is there enough time left between T+1 and T-bail for Cooper to undo and redo everything Tina had seen him already do? You have no proof whatever Cooper did it AS YOU WOULD DO IT. The same applies to 377's & Blevin's theory about C backing down the stairs, because that is how the "experts" 377 and Blevins would do it! You can only conjecture, in any event. You must have some basis for conjecturing - you have none because you know nothing about Cooper and his background. Moreover, there is no example where Cooper undid some action he had aready taken during the hijacking, like taking his chute back off, then putting ti back on, undressing and re-dressing, etc. He looked at the chutes and simply selected one and slipped it, like a pro. He secured the bag around his waste with multiple turns of a rope and knots. Tina saw him doing it as she left. Sure, its possible he might have done what you conjecture he might have done, but no evidence that is what he did. You dont know who Cooper was or his background. Everything you say about what he had to have done is pure conjecture, and furthermore, you and Blevins both know it. You now just as little, and have no training in the skill set. Plus, you seem to not understand what I wrote, I will take some responsibility for that. Remember I was addressing a line in Jo's post, for proper context. All this fluff you have diverted it away from with, is some anger issue you must deal with, not me. As to Tina and your conjecture line. She didn't see any thing of "Coppers" prep past the moment she went to the cockpit. so most of your facts; are conjecture, using your standards. BUT, the several turns of cord, would lead one to understand that would not be enough to lower the bag and provide an early warning for a landing or PLF at night. Which if you recall was what I was addressing in Jo's post. Matt maybe Cooper used some cord to wire his shoes on, and wire his jaws shut, and keep his Johnson from flopping? I now realise the flaw in fact-checking. It slows progress in the booking writing and prison industrial complex - not to forget the pharmacology industry which has replaced US Steel and Ma Bell. Im glad Blevins has finally found someone to tak to. He seems much calmer. The trend is good with every player appropriately placed. The corporation can now function, with future downsizing assured. Georger, CIO/CEO

Robert: Coming to Auburn for a symposium would have meant Dona Elliot packing a ton of merchandise into a truck or van, and driving 150 miles with it each way...and no guarantee she would make enough to cover expenses. I did speak to her about this, and she said yes...she was willing to do it. But then I canceled the symposium idea. Robert: Meyer...I asked 377 if he could make it to do a chute demo. No answer. I offered Bruce Smith a half hour in the morning, a half hour in the afternoon to discuss his investigation - and even offered to create slides from his images for him, pay to have them processed, and give him a slide projector. He agreed at first, and then later said he had to go back east to visit family on that weekend. I'm pretty sure Geoff Gray would not have flown out from NY without a big payment, which was not in our budget. Basically, there WASN'T a lot of interest. I left a page up at our website for almost six months describing the event, along with an email link...and NOT ONE MESSAGE CAME IN. That's where I got the idea it wasn't going to work. One or two people did offer to help, but it just wasn't enough. There were nine hours of speaking time to fill. That's harder to do than you think. Robert: Not THAT bad. I can't hold a candle to Jo's multiple posts or Knoss' complex scenarios. I don't mind Jo, at least she isn't just inventing stuff off the top of her head. Not to be commercial about it, but don't you think (at first) I WANTED to do the Cooper thing? My hometown, they give me the theatre for free with a staff, I could pile up copies of Blast for sale, make a few bucks? Ha...of course I did. But I do have a conscience. They only asked me to take over the AIL event last August. The event coordinator for the Auburn Days festival just handed me the keys, and I started feeling guilty. Like I'm just going to use the whole thing to push AB or something and make a cheap buck. Would have been easy to do, and unfair to everyone else. It's supposed to be about showcasing local writers and local talent, not Robert or his Cooper book. And I don't think a second year of doing the KC slideshow would have drawn much interest. Everyone saw it last year. Look, if I see some REAL interest in this, I can try to arrange something for next year. Maybe we can rent the theatre. You can...it's owned by the city now and costs $278 a day, which is actually peanuts. I'm friends with the city guy who arranges the rentals. If people started contacting me with real ideas, and I thought they were serious and would show up, I would pay for the theatre and we could organize something. This can be done anytime, not just in August. Theatre is available all year for events and easy to rent. Until I see that happening, well... Not to mention the fact you are not an expert on the Cooper case! And the Christiansen story was a 2nd rate 2nd handoff to you which never would have happened in the first place had Lyle C. not gone to NYC to look for a movie director and a script deal! Not to mention your complete lack of credentials investigating difficult research projects of any kind! But you do claim and apparently are good at getting LOST. Only to turn around and blame others! I cant get beyond your reaction to Geestman, for example. That seems proto-typical of your whole case! Geestman simply got the best of you and the Decoded 'experts', and so you are pissed with no recourse. Mr. Blevins, go make a Citizen's Arrest on Geestman, if you are so sure of your facts!

The rest of your post? jibberish, like BK. Are you and BK sitting at the same library now? Matt Huh? Evidence is fact. Conjecture is nonfact. Your conjecture as to how Cooper bailed or did not bail, tied or did not tie a bag of cash, as you would do it, is all conjectuire = nonfact. As to time: Took Cooper t-minutes to tie and arrange the bag of cash as per Tina's direct witness. Tina left at T+1 from the start of Cooper doing the tie job. Is there enough time left between T+1 and T-bail for Cooper to undo and redo everything Tina had seen him already do? You have no proof whatever Cooper did it AS YOU WOULD DO IT. The same applies to 377's & Blevin's theory about C backing down the stairs, because that is how the "experts" 377 and Blevins would do it! You can only conjecture, in any event. You must have some basis for conjecturing - you have none because you know nothing about Cooper and his background. Moreover, there is no example where Cooper undid some action he had aready taken during the hijacking, like taking his chute back off, then putting ti back on, undressing and re-dressing, etc. He looked at the chutes and simply selected one and slipped it, like a pro. He secured the bag around his waste with multiple turns of a rope and knots. Tina saw him doing it as she left. Sure, its possible he might have done what you conjecture he might have done, but no evidence that is what he did. You dont know who Cooper was or his background. Everything you say about what he had to have done is pure conjecture, and furthermore, you and Blevins both know it.

until you talk to Cooper its unanswerable. some things are unanswerable, except in Dropzone Dreamland where recreation and egoes trumps science.

more pure conjecture .... never stick to the evidence ... Tina said: evidence only gets in the way of internet social media. Rev. Billy Bob RedButtVolHead sayz "hello!" My post comes from 21 years of performing that task, 4 years as a Master Trainer "Black Hat" in that skill set. Amazon, I guess it is contest between these two now. Matt Matt the point is not what your experience is. The point is what a witness said happened in the crime! Your experience is one thing. Tina's testimony is about what happened is another. Hell, I have a ton of experience tying ropes on animals and in barns! Does that mean Coooer did it "my way"? Now you're sounding like Blevins! HE DID IT --- MY WAY. COOPER DID IT --- MY WAY! There was a witness to what he did. Shall we throw the witness out and say: HE DID IT MATT'S WAY. If you cant agree with that elementary distinction then you need to be on Blevin's team! The Box of Rocks Team. "HE DID IT - - - MYYYYYYY WAAAAAAAY" The witness clearly says, 'HE DID NOT DO IT MATT'S WAY, OR 377'S WAY, OR BLEVIN'S WAY, BUT HIS WAY!" This is really getting tiresome, for me. Let's just say Cooper did it all of the different ways all of the different socalled experts say he did it or had to do it and get on with life, throw Geestman in jail to vindicate you and Blevins, throw Sluggo and Galen Cook in jail for being nice guys, hang Kaye from a light pole, give Weber and Quade a Gold Medal, and re-arrange the Periodic Table to suit MATT, Blevins, and Jo Weber!? Just tell how you want the elements placed in the chart and which ones to eliminate! And which schools to close first in the name of your personal vindication in social media! ? ja vol mein fhuerer? IT HAD TO BE YOUR WAY! IT WAS YOUR WAY! TINA'S TESTIMONY BE DAMNED!! INTO THE BLAST OF HYPER MENDACITY - BUY BLEVINS BOOK AND MAKE HIM RICHMOUS.

some things are exactly as they appear and act! too good to be true - too big to be real! - too brilliant to have an IQ over 100 and have a personality disorder! Just as people who knew the animal said when he suddenly arrived out of nowhere. Rev Blevins appeals to the "common sense of the average American", and then a Parrot Head Vol shows up? Blevins backs space research and damns college, education, and professors ... with space researchers right here on this forum! How many heads does this dog have? Blevins has been building and revising his borrowed Theory of KC as he went along here at Dropzone. He can say "I dont know if KC was Cooper" all he wants!. That is just a ploy. The fact is the moment he advanced KC = Cooper, the assumption is KC was Cooper. You cant have the one without the other. Whjy advance KC at all if he wasnt Cooper? You might as well be advancing Benny Ambrose. Blevins is not entitled to play with logic from his pupit! Or ask for a suspension of logic, as a byproduct of Blevin's version of who and what "the common sense of the average American?" is! Blevins sounds like Billy-Bob Goebels to me! KC was DB Cooper! Love it or leave it! Isnt that the level Blevins has us operating on here? This whole thing has become so complicated with so many side-roads and special conditions and excuses, thatit cant possibly be true, short of it being somebody's delusion! If Geestman is a crook etc as Blevins says, then Blevins needs to make a CITIZEN'S ARREST! Put up or shut up!

Blevins only sayz KC might not be KC in order to keep the drama going. Blevins is a Master Tactician! Consider Blevins is not telling the whole story, or doesnt know the whole story regarding KC. Blevins key points he began with all melted into fiction. I suspect the remaining few point would melt away also .... if we only knew .... Ideas are Realty. FOR SALE! Praise the Lord.

IF, "Cooper" had Military or Smoke Jumper training he would not have used that technique. IF, he was "trained" he would have kept the bag in place though out the landing as per the Standards for Rough Terrain Jumping. Lower the bag to hear the impact to prep for landing is a bit of a hit or miss "old wives tale", "urban legend". The lowering lines in the military and Forestry service are approximately 15', the rate of decent in 18' to 22' per second. You would have less than a second to react, your supposed to be prepared around 100', so you have about 4.5 seconds. Can one hear the impact? Sure, some do. Can some react to it? Sure some do, but it is a rarity. It is not even taught now a days, it is water cooler talk. If one made a rough terrain jump, and lowered the equipment as they drifted over the trees, the bag could catch or entangle, the parachute would continue to drift, and the jumper would be laid out horizontally from the bag to the canopy. This is dangerous to recover from. Jumpers are taught to keep all equipment on, for their protection as the pass through the trees! If they did lower the equipment prior to passing through the trees, they would jettison the gear to avoid the horizontal issue. I think the Felon may have had some training, but it was old and out of date, hence the old chute choice. I also don't think the bag of money was prepared for anything other than being carried all the way to the ground on the jumper. Based on the feet of cord used, it seems the Felon tied a sturdy knot or dozens and used a few wraps to hold the bag in place, but not enough was cut to make a lowering line or self extraction line. Matt more pure conjecture .... never stick to the evidence ... Tina said: evidence only gets in the way of internet social media. Rev. Billy Bob RedButtVolHead sayz "hello!"

Your question is unanswerable. But you knew that in advance. I recognise the technique. I see a pattern here. How are your Google photos selling in Vol Land? GO VOLS!

Baloney.... I haven't 'villainized' Galen Cook. I've questioned his investigation, his claims, and the results. I've also made concrete suggestions on DZ for him regarding Gossett. You have to remember, Cook is the same guy who went public with the Utah-Standard Examiner backing the Janet Fable. Cook is the same guy who went driving up to Vancouver, BC but didn't find a penny. Cook is the same guy who went to Alaska a few years ago to 'finish' his book proving Gossett was Cooper. No book was forthcoming then, and none is NOW. All of those things can be forgiven by the public. There are many twists and turns in the Cooper case. (Duh, I know) But what cannot be forgiven is Cook's failure to at least check on an alibi for Gossett from the frickin' United States Army BEFORE he decided to go on national radio and claim he knew for certain the identity of the hijacker. Who knows? Gossett could be Cooper. That's right. But before you declare that to be truth, you have to prove it. And establishing at least a basic non-alibi would be a good first step. Unlike any of the other major suspects, William Gossett was ACTIVE DUTY US MILITARY PERSONNEL on the day of the hijacking. This means you can check on him. Show me anywhere that Galen Cook has attempted to determine Gossett's actual whereabouts on November 24, 1971. It's not even that difficult. Cook undoubtably knows Gossett's unit designation by now, and that he was at Ft. Lewis. Are you telling me it's impossible to find out whom he served with, and whom he was closely associated with in that unit? And then perhaps interview some of the people in that unit who knew him best and find out what they know regarding Gossett's whereabouts on 11/24/1971. This is Fact Finding 101 and he should have done it YEARS ago. Instead, we have him telling us that 'Janet' is a viable witness. Your argument is colored by your feelings for me and makes absolutely NO sense. Ok professor Boebins - here you go again. Lets take one thing at a time before we get "overwhelmed by Blevins in attack mode" ? Blevins says: "Cook is the same guy who went public with the Utah-Standard Examiner backing the Janet Fable". Fact check no.1: Galen Cook is Galen Cook. no2. Janet is Janet. no2A. Change backing to investigating. no3. Janet saw something. Others saw something. no4. There was something to see is unverified. no5. Blevins is not on the need-to-know-list. no6. It does not matter what Blevins says or does so long as he stays within the Law! Blevins can spew out typed shit until Hell Freezes over so far as anyone cares - Ninny Nanny Noo Noo

I was simply replying to Blevin's vilinisation of Cook, which Blevins has gone out of his way to do here since day-1. Cook has never published a book claiming anything, yet. The Cook I know is a pretty intelligent guy, asks penetrating intelligent questions, and has been researching the Cooper case for years. His patience (with people like Blevins) has been monumental! Cook (and others) finally just brushed Blevins off as a nutcase, after Blevins persisted in his personal attacks against Galen. That is all that needs to be said about that. Yes. Galen made some claims in the beginning he probably should not have, but he pulled back from those same claims and dug deeper. Everyone is aware Galen preferred Gossett at one time. I dont have the current status of that. But, the Galen I know digs deep and asks penetrating questions looking for hard evidence in the various aspects of this case. The bulk of his time and effort has been in that regard, completely independent of any particular candidate. That is the Galen Cook I know.

Its all personal with you. You are your own worst enemy. Take your own socalled ADVICE, for A CHANGE!

Regina who? who cares besides you!? The problem with your KC evidence is what you make of it. Numerous people here have pointed that out to you. After years you still refuse to address what people are saying, saying crap like you just said above. Personally? I think you are too damned stupid and lazy to know the difference or care. This is just a game you play with the world. Play it again, Sam. You will. It's all you can do. Excuse me for living, but about Knoss, the warning, the deletion of one of his posts at Regina's article: This came to me via email w/Regina. The only thing I 'make of' the evidence regarding Ken Christiansen is what is there, and what witnesses have said directly. Nothing more. There are the pictures, the documents, the witness testimony, and research. NONE of it can say beyond a reasonable doubt that Kenny was the hijacker. It is what it is, and I support its accuracy completely. I am not the Seattle FBI. I'm just one guy who got roped into the investigation simply because I live in the Northwest. I did the best I could most of the time, and when I was wrong I admitted it. What the heck could anyone else do in the same situation? Even though we had few resources, we opened our purses and put it on the line to try and discover the truth. History Channel thinks we're right, and so do I. Geestman is a liar and guilty as sin. You heard it here first. Now his sister's family is checking the whole thing out as well. While some of you have been digging out the dirt between the roots of the trees in that forest, I have been on Rainier and looking at those same trees with binoculars. My advantage comes from never investigating Cooper before Porteous hounded me about it, but also having HIM to do the checking. This really works well if you know the proper questions to ask.

Regina who? who cares besides you!? The problem with your KC evidence is what you make of it. Numerous people here have pointed that out to you. After years you still refuse to address what people are saying, saying crap like you just said above. Personally? I think you are too damned stupid and lazy to know the difference or care. This is just a game you play with the world. Play it again, Sam. You will. It's all you can do.

I pretty much put you on my ignore list. Anyone who keeps attacking me personally while ignoring/refusing to look at the evidence isn't worth my time. You are not dealing in reality anymore regarding the Cooper case. You're not going to find the answers on a forty-year-old necktie that's been handled by probably dozens of people. Or on a matchbook, or on a chute left behind on the aircraft. If it could have been solved that way, the FBI would have done it long ago. THIS is what will solve the case: Testimony (that can stand the light of day and be verified) by people who already know what happened, or at least a portion of what happened. Witnesses whose stories can be corroborated. Evidence that assists in finding the truth. Documents, photos, possibly a confession from at least one of the two people who know the truth about Christiansen. I think you should go back to arguing the case with Knoss... I don't think anyone's listening to you much anymore. It's obvious you have an agenda, and that agenda colors anything you say, because you have lost your objectivity. I have no plans for a Cooper symposium. Said that months ago. And since you'll ignore this as well anyway, I'm going to present how I believe the hijacking was done, if in fact Geestman and Christiansen were the guilty parties, and this is only a portion of the evidence: 1) They planned it together over the summer of 1971 at Geestman's house, with an occasional meeting at KC's apartment in Sumner. 2) About six weeks prior to the hijacking, Geestman drives to Elma, WA and buys a station wagon, and than a trailer from a bank repo sale. Instead of taking them back to his house in Bonney Lake, he parks them on empty property in Oakville against his wife's wishes. (There WAS a shop on the property, but no house) The only time he uses them is the week of the hijacking. Later, he unloads them on someone who takes them to Arizona. 3) On the Monday or Tuesday before the hijacking, Geestman gets in his car at Bonney Lake, drives to Sumner, meets Kenny, and they drive to Portland. 4) Kenny buys the ticket, boards 305. You know the rest, up until the point of the actual jump. 5) Once on the ground, Kenny disconnects the harness and container from the chute. He buries the chute and keeps the container, transferring the cash into it. (He was a paratrooper, after all, and this was probably taught in training as a way to avoid detection) He changes clothes (paper bag) and makes his way out of the woods somewhere in the Lake Merwin/Ariel area. 6) As soon as he reaches the nearest pay phone, he calls Geestman. (I can't say whether Geestman had a phone at the shop, but it's possible he had one installed pre-hijacking. It would be a smart move.) 7) They meet somewhere, drive back to Sumner. Not right away. (Geestman's wife says that her husband didn't return until the following Monday or Tuesday after the hijacking, which might be the purpose of the trailer and wagon.) Kenny is dropped at the apartment and lays low for a while. He returns to work after the holiday. He says nothing to his co-workers about the Cooper hijacking, even though all of them are abuzz about it. 8) Sometime between the hijacking and Christmas 71, 'The Picture' is taken. Either it's a self-portrait or taken by Geestman. Picture found in 1994 by Kenny's family behind another photo in an album after his death. 9) Six weeks after the hijacking, Helen Jones sees Kenny at the Sumner Laundromat. (Her testimony) She asks Kenny why he missed the Thanksgiving dinner and he says he was with Geestman but doesn't give details. 10) April, 1972: It's been five months since the hijacking and most NW banks have given up the search for the ransom money. Geestman approaches Kenny about a $5,000 loan to his sister Dawn so she can buy her own place in Buckley. At that time, Dawn was living at Bernie's house with her four children and recently divorced in Minnesota. (She had moved to Washington after the divorce and moved in with the Geestman's.) 11) Kenny provides the money and Geestman delivers it. (Later, he says he had nothing to do with the loan, but his sister and her family say otherwise) Dawn is given four or five years to repay, but pays it back in two. 12) July 1972: Christiansen purchases a fix-up house in Bonney Lake for cash from Joe and Ann Grimes of Puyallup, WA. In October, he also buys the adjoining lot from the same couple. (Geestman later denies having anything to do with that, although he served at the Grimes' wedding as the Best Man) At this point, Christiansen has now gone through four times his yearly income in cash within 8 months after the hijacking. 14) Within weeks of moving into the Bonney Lake house, Christiansen replaces the old countertops. He uses a piece of the leftovers to build a hiding spot in the attic - which is not accessible from inside the house and where entry can only be gained by using a ladder and removing a screwed-in attic vent on one side of the house. It is covered in insulation and isn't discovered until 2010 by History Channel. 15) Christiansen begins to order gold coins, stamp proofs, and other similar items through the mail. But instead of using his PO box in Bonney Lake, he uses his old one down in Sumner. (This goes on for years. When he dies in 1994, the estimated value is between $300,000 and $400,000. His final bank statements show a balance of over $200,000 in cash in checking and savings acct's at the West One Bank in Sumner.) Some of this wealth is attributed to land purchases and timber sales done by Christiansen, but ALL of them are AFTER the hijacking. Before the hijacking, he was taking home less than six hundred a month. 16) After his death in 1994, the house is left to Robin and Carolyn Powell and the adjoining lot to Brian MacWilliams. Brian sells off the trees for cash (leaving a big pile of stumps) and then the lot itself. He moves away and is later interviewed by Geoff Gray. The Powells sell the house, move to Nevada, and are later divorced. In 2011, Carolyn Powell, (now Carolyn Tyner, the wife of an active duty police officer from Boulder, CO) says that the story of a plastic bag full of twenties found in the remaining stumps is true. Dan Rattenbury, present owner of the house, has verified this story and did not know Tyner. 17) In 2010, Geestman's sister says in an interview that she and some of her friends had suspected Christiansen was the hijacker from the start. She also ID'd the tie tack as one she had seen Kenny wear on occasion, and mentioned he owned a toupee but only wore it socially - never on the job. She also says she never saw him wear it again after the date of the hijacking. An article in a May '72 issue of the Bremerton Sun claims the Seattle FBI believed Cooper was bald, and they investigated local wig and toupee shops. When they came up with nothing, they moved on. 18) In 2010, after being contacted by the History Channel, Geestman claims he hardly knew Christiansen and thought he was a dishwasher. Execs from History Channel soon disproved his claim. When he appeared on Decoded, he said he was lifelong friends with Kenny and was at his deathbed. He also claimed he was gone for months to sea at the time of the hijacking. (Since discounted by Foss Tugs) He also tells Decoded that yes, Kenny could be the hijacker. There is more, but those are the basics. That stuff is called 'evidence,' especially when you can back it up with living witnesses, documents, and evidentiary pictures. E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E. Your attack-dog agenda won't make it go away, no matter how hard you try. WAS Kenny the hijacker? DID Geestman help him pull it off? I don't know for sure, but there's a fair amount of evidence favoring it. Geestman made a big mistake by telling History Channel that Kenny could be the hijacker...because solid witnesses place him WITH Kenny, and MISSING at the time of the hijacking. You can try and refute all of that with a flippant comment, but remember this: I was NOT the first person to suspect Christiansen was the hijacker. Unlike Geoff Gray, I am FROM the Northwest and I was able to interview the people who actually knew Christiansen. And if they tried to lie to me, you know I was going to check out their stories. I am a big believer in VERIFICATION. Everything I know about extracting the truth from people I learned by reading All The President's Men. Trust me, I didn't just fall off the apple cart. total gobble wobble. Olympic grade FUNNY! Its quite obvious nothing you say has any merit and just like Knoss and Weber you will never stop your self infatuation, so Play it again 400 more times. Maybe it will stick on the wall and become a fossil you can then claim is Life on Mars! It really is funny at this point! But 377 supports you! (and the yellow winged snail snake, which is poisonous too.) [edit] This trully is the funniest damned thing you have ever written at Dropzone. You might get the lock off your straight jacket and a free case of beer for this one! CONGRATS! fIVE Stars

I keep wondering just how many documents, pictures, and witness testimony I have to present before the Seattle FBI finally pays a visit to Mr Geestman. I'm going out on a limb here to give you my best guess: DAMAGE CONTROL, and to find out what they knew. You flatter yourself with being ... important? You now ask how many documents, pictures, and witness testimony you have to muster and present on Dropzone before the FBI will pay any attention to you ? My estimate is "14 trillion", so you have some ways to go before you can even make the team. Your estimated age by that time = 40,312. Perhaps the FBI in 42,324AD can dig your corpse up to see if you are making any progress. Otherwise, play it again Sam, which you will. How your and 377's Symposium planning going? Anything new to 'sympose' ? Any new songs of myrth and recreational value that 377 can chase down secretly to present at the next Symposium on the Cooper Cult. ? The only person in DAMAGE CONTROL is you!

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Blevins Replied: "Any real posts by me at that trash-ridden article have a link attached to the username. That's how you know it's ME. If there isn't a valid link, it's not mine. I'm not PROMOTING the book. Trust me, I gave up on making money via Cooper long ago. Like you, I just want to know if I'm right or wrong. I hate to say it, but it's almost like you and Georger are afraid of it or something. This is ridiculous because many times posters have put up links or quoted references from the OTHER Cooper books. What makes mine something you fear? If it IS the truth, the truth can be a dangerous thing in the Cooper case. Why? Because some people don't WANT to know. It's the argument they live for, not any possible solutions that might make sense." XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX JO REMARKS! What an EGO! What makes you make such a statement IF you are NOT promoting your book. The statement I am referring to is this quote: What makes mine something you fear? Whew! NO ONE fears your story about KC - no one! The story you tell is NOT first hand knowledge of the a suspect - just a bunch of people being used and maneuvered for the purpose of another (Blevins writing a book). I also thought Blevin's remark was plain obtuse. "What makes mine something you fear?" What's next? A claim of divinity? Mein? Kampf? Fear? Ridicule ? Im trembling. I will obey!