Gravitymaster

Thank-you for your service. Many of us appreciate your willingness to put your life on the line so we can sit here at our computers and jump out of airplanes. I know the guys like you who have actually been there on the ground in Iraq understand what its' all about more so than any Keyboard Generals ever will. Thank you again for all you guys do. Most of us support what you are doing and the reasons why you do it. Some people get it and some people don't. Cold one on me if we ever meet.

The Team "B" is what I wanted resorces on. Thank you for providing one by one writer who doesn't even source his "information". Not too credible IMO.

He quits and joins the Kerry Campaign and criticizes GWB. His "OPINION". Next. Beers provides faulty info and later retracts his statements. here And here's one from UPI Quote This one talks about how one Intell official was "shocked" nobody had been fired for providing bad intell on Iraq. Beers apparently had reported "faulty intell to the CIA and later had to retract it, then he resigns later which we all know is another Washington word for fired. Condellizza Rice twice asks Beers in his exit interview whether his resignation is a protest against the war with Iraq and twice he tells her no. Seems like Mr. Beers has a credibility problem. Interesting how you avoided any further discussion of Cheneys "B" team which is what I was actually asking for more info on.

QuoteAll what? It's only been in the national press for about a year. Google it. Anything specific you think is false?Quote You stated it, you back it up. I gotta get back to repacking my reserve.

And you know all this to be a FACT? Gee you must have some great sources within the CIA and the Bush Admin.

Well I think this guy just *might* know a little bit more about it than me or you, so I'll defer to his statements in this article: Yes well that clears it up. Might as well stop looking. Any idea how much Ricin could be stored in a "spider hole like SH was found in? How many of these spider holes do you think could exist in a country as large as Iraq? I think I'll wait until the search is finished and a final report is published.

Apparently they haven't finished searching for WMDs yet. I'm sure once they are through, there will be a report. Perhaps you should reserve judgement until that report comes out unless you know something the U.S. Military doesn't. If you do, I'm sure they would appreciate you getting in touch with them.

So you are saying that despite all the intellegence that Iraq had WMDs, that GWB actually was the only world leader who didn't KNEW they didn't and he invaded Iraq anyway? edited to add quotes. Well... where are the WMD's then? There are none. If the blame for going to war on a fraudulent basis doesn't ultimately belong with the president (since there are no WMD), then who does it belong with? Santa claus? The President doesn't have a crystal ball. He relies on what the Intelligence Community tells him. The entire world-wide Intelligence Community including the UN thought SH had WMDs. For your argument to hold weight, GWB would have had to have been smarter than the entire world-wide Intellegence Community because he would have had to have know SH actually didn't have the WMDs the world thought he had. This is the only way he could have "lied" about Iraq having them is if he knew they didn't.

SH may have been "politically violent" (....*coughBUSHcough*...), but that was NOT the So you are saying that despite all the intellegence that Iraq had WMDs, that GWB actually was the only world leader who didn't KNEW they didn't and he invaded Iraq anyway? edited to add quotes.

Alright now Benny, lets not get all "gushy"

Apparently you didn't look at both sides or you would have realized Benny and I were laughing at someone who called him an asshole earlier in this thread. I'm not discrediting Benny anymore than he tries to discredit me. But at the end of the day I respect his views even though I disagree with him. See if you are gonna get involved in these type of threads, you need to learn not to take anything personally. Especially when it doesn't pertain to you.

It's sure better than "what an asshole". Agreed. People who call others "assholes" are...........well "assholes"

Nice try though Benny.

Know why they're there, know why they're there. Uhuh. Listen, I really don't mean to insult troops in any way. But, umm, why is that again exactly? Hmm, some seem to think 9/11 is the reason we're in Iraq. This "war on terror" thing, about as vague as the "war on drugs" and any other non-nation-state non-entity we've declared war on in the past 50 years. A War on terror is not a real war and will never really take place or really end. Even if it is the war on terror, Iraq hasn't been linked to fucking terror. For that matter the terrorists didn't like Saddam either. It's much more likely that Islamic extremists will come to rule in Iraq now that he's gone. But we figured he might give them WMD right... He cannot give what he doesn't have. So those reasons are gone, if those boys really think they are fighting terror in Iraq then they should seriously consider begging their commanders to give it up there and head straight for our lovely friends the Saudis. (15 of 19 hijackers = Saudi, 0/19 = Iraqi). God, I really must stop. Every reason the admistration gave for war with Iraq has been undone, why else would they be on to their bastard step-child of "liberating Iraq"? Some people get it and some people don't, I guess. Seems the ones who are in Iraq facing danger evry day DO get it.

As a matter of fact I was in the USAF until Dec of 1979....and I voted for Ronald Reagan in the very next election. Thank-you for serving.

Yes I would.. its called a democracy... you know... that pesky form of government we are trying to bring to all thos liberated Iraqui's Just what I thought. No answer so you change the subject.

EXACTLY!! I am also in the Army and I knwo exactly what I would be and all my friends that ARE over there now are fighting for. Posts liek this piss me off. It is sad that soldiers are being killed in action but we knew it is a possibility when we all took the oath to join the military. Why don't you find something better to complain about and just show some support for your country and our soldiers. It's this kind of logic that really kills me. I mean, by this line of thinking, anyone who questions the president is unpatriotic or treasonous. This is ludicrous, you're asking us to agree for agreement's sake, a very un-American thing to do. Do I think our soldiers were sent to Iraq under false pretenses? Definitely. To I think this is an unjust war? Yes. Do I support the troops? I pay my taxes. I also speak my voice with my vote. I'm trying to vote for people who would have never sent your friends over there or would bring them home sooner. How is that not support to want our boys to be safe and home with their loved ones? Because, unlike you, most of our troops in Iraq understand why they are there and don't want to "come home and be safe" until they finish the job of making you safe so you can sit on DZ.Com and complain and then go jump out of airplanes.

Obviously... quite obviously. Oh really? Please explain? Perhaps you'd like to have a different form of government?

You mean the duly elected, by the people, members of Congress? You make it sound as if they took control by force. Did I miss something?

Rest of the world was also willing to take the "huge" risk of waiting for further inspections. REst of world had signed on to process/organization called the UN. We can whine that Iraq violated UN resolutions, but we didn't exactly do anything to help the UN's legitimacy. Apparently your memory is a bit fuzzy. U.N. passed 17 resolutions which SH ignored. He was also given many "last chances" by GWB. We signed on with the U.N. for Gulf War 1 and now GHB is blamed by you liberals for not taking out SH when you all know full well GHB was simply following the U.N. Res. 660-667 which only called for Iraqi Forces to be removed from Kuwait. Now you guy whine about GWB not wanting the U.N. involved in Gulf War 2. Like your sig line says Benny. "Damned if you do, damned if you don't".

Yes I have. As SkydiverRick put it, it is a "nice Not OK. Problem is most of the world thought he had WMDs too. Rest of the world now wants to point fingers for political reasons.

Yaaaahhhh Thanks, I needed that.

Have you considered our invasion of Iraq prevented us from having to risk American lives in Libya and North Korea?

Its very simple if you do a little searching of the backgrounds of the people in the current administration ..... who were in the REagan Administration.. Cheney , Rumsfeld...et.al.....( remember the pictures with Sadaam... I do) many many thousands of Iranians died at the hads of SH... as a surrogate for the US... do not think that lesson is lost on the people of the region... Our surrogate USED the WMD against people we did not like... they needed killin as the southernism goes. How dare they take our embassy hostage.. kill em all. They didn't take our Embassy hostage. They took innocent American Diplomats hostage. If you lived thru that ordeal you remember the hatred in this country against Iran. I had the opportunity to meet one of the hostages several months after they returned home. I can assure you the truth of how they were treated was surpressed to keep the American People from demanding all out war. Perhaps one time when our oil interests in the region saved many lives.

Like Libya? And North Korea?