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Sigh. Trump sucks. I have no confidence in the Democrats to solve any of the problems I see in the world, and most of their policies seem to make things worse. In addition, they actively campaigned to get me fired. Boomers, would not have voted for Vivek or someone else so alas, we have Elon and Vance to align with someone to fix things. I think I quoted earlier, "misery makes strange bedfellows"

Hopefully whatever you find the most horrifying. Making the immigrants work in cobalt mines to build Tesla batteries? Using IV drug users as rocket fuel?

I know in the years I paid almost $200k in taxes I have yet to see any improvements in any of the areas I've lived. Everything seems to get worse consistently. Also, like I stated above my p(media is telling the truth) is 5%. Not zero. That means for every 100 stories on average I would be inclined to believe 5 of them. Conditioning on the type of story (trump is racist, sexist, racist) it probably goes down. But not to zero. For instance, I believe the Miss Teen story about him.

I voted Vance and Elon, sucks it had to be Trump, and expected Elon to get involved after Trump, but here we are. Vance has direct experience with addiction and post industrial issues. He even wrote a book about it. Elon, whom I am sure if I go back a few pages will be accused of being an idiot for buying Twitter. Elon is such a dumbass. He spent $44 billion on Twitter and all he got was control of all 3 branches of the federal government.

He cares about posting the Access Hollywood clip over and over. And seems to hate the idea of Trump being in charge and I assume also hates Trump. I was just letting him know Trump is in charge and has a huge mandate. The probability of Trump not having direct influence over something he cares about, since this mandate is going to make his influence outsized over 2016, is low.

I stated I have other concerns. The world has infinite suffering. The way this is supposed to work is a bunch of people go to the polls and some people care about immigrants. Others care about deindustrialization and children of addicts. Everyone votes. America's suffering, and suffering I am familiar with, took priority, individuals don't have infinite time or resources to consider every kind of suffering.

Opportunity cost. I know a lot of dead opiate addicts, the media reports there are 100k a year it seems to jive with personal experience. In addition, the town I grew up in is post industrial and no one has really figured out what to do about it. Tons of despair, addiction and no route to being productive.

Are people capable of lying? Would they be more or less prone to lie when they can possibly stop a literal Hitler? How good would you feel if you could stop Hitler? Are there other reasons someone would lie in this circumstance?

The people you hate the most are now in charge of the things you care most about.

Are you not capable of seeing three possible interpretations from the phrase, of which you picked the least charitable? Here they are again: A general indifference toward these political topics. A disinterest in debating these specific issues at that time. Or possibly a preference for focusing on other political priorities that aren’t mentioned here. I stated the third was what I meant, and even an AI tool understood that was possible. Maybe I should have been more clear in my response but jumping directly to accuse me of callousness about a cause I don't think about deeply or rank in my priorities is exactly why people tire of the left. "A homeless guy punched me in the face this morning on the way to work." "Excuse me, they are just unhoused!" > Clearly you decided not to show it the entire discussion. You have explicitly clarified that it is the human suffering you don’t care about. Yes, to show that your assumption was wrong from the jump.

Republican candidate gets a highest percentage of women, black, and hispanic vote in decades. MISOGYNISTIC!

Person: Here are real things in my life I've experienced that led me down the path I am on. 2024 "Liberal": <FOAMING AT THE MOUTH> YOU NEED TO CARE ABOUT WHATEVER TOP DOWN THING OUR MEDIA AND OVERLORDS TELL US. YOUR EXPERIENCES ARE NOT REAL AND OTHER CONCERNS ARE MORE IMPORTANT. You have no right to tell me what cause I am supposed to advocate or care about. It was established at least since the founding of our country that people advocate their own causes in the marketplace of ideas. On William Findley in the time of the American Revolution ~1786: But Findley went on to pursue another line of argument that was new-startlingly new. He accepted Morris's and the other bank supporters' interestedness in the bank and found, he said, nothing unusual or improper in their efforts to obtain its rechartering; as its directors and stockholders, after all, they could hardly be expected to do otherwise, and "Any others in their situation…. would do as they did." In sum, Morris and the other investors in the bank had every "right to advocate their own cause, on the floor of this house." But, Findley then continued, they had no right to protest when others realize "that it is their own cause they are advocating; and to give credit to their opinions, and to think of their votes accordingly." They had no right, in other words, to try to pass off their support of their personal cause as an act of disinterested virtue. The promotion of interests in politics, suggested Findley, was quite legitimate,

Here's an AI analysis of the exchange: This exchange centers around a fundamental misunderstanding and emotional response from Person A to Person B’s statement. Here’s a breakdown of each side: Person A’s Interpretation and Response: Person A seems to interpret Person B’s statement, "I actually don't care about any of those issues," as a sign of callousness toward potential human suffering, specifically the hypothetical mass deportation of undocumented immigrants. Person A responds emotionally, focusing on empathy for the lives of undocumented individuals who might be affected by deportation. They interpret Person B’s detachment as apathy or even implicit support for harsh immigration policies. Person A then takes a moral stance, suggesting that such perceived indifference would make it impossible to vote for anyone who held a similar view. Person B’s Original Statement: Person B’s response is minimal and straightforward, simply stating a lack of interest or concern in the specific issues Person A raised (deportation, drilling, and government agencies). This could imply: A general indifference toward these political topics. A disinterest in debating these specific issues at that time. Or possibly a preference for focusing on other political priorities that aren’t mentioned here. Analysis of the Misinterpretation: Person A appears to project their own values and assumptions onto Person B's simple statement. Person B didn't express a stance on deportation or disregard for undocumented individuals; they simply said they don’t care about the specific issues raised. This doesn’t necessarily indicate indifference to human suffering—it might simply mean those aren’t the topics they’re focused on in political discussions. Person A’s response, though well-meaning, reads as a misinterpretation. They assume that a lack of interest in certain issues equates to insensitivity or support for harmful policies. This is not supported by anything explicit in Person B’s words. In summary, Person A is likely incorrect in interpreting Person B’s statement as callous disregard. The exchange highlights how discussions of political views can quickly become charged with assumptions and interpretations that aren't always warranted by the other party’s words. For clearer communication, Person A might consider directly asking for Person B’s views on the specific topics rather than making assumptions.

Yes, I care more about my family and the 100k Americans dying of overdoses (my mom and 5 classmates are among them) than a problem than is to me far away. It's too bad you don't care more about your fellow Americans. Luckily everyone else in the country seems to.

I found a dead homeless guy in front of my house I had to call in to 911. My mother in law had to see a homeless guy masturbating on the muni when she visited. I had to walk over needles and shit when I went to work. Occasionally when a coworker would complain about homeless issues they'd get a lecture that they were unhoused. Orwellian. Covid policy I'll keep brief. Santa Monica, my former residence now has 50% less traffic than 2019. I know people that lost businesses due to the closure and lock downs. Instead of empathy the response is usually, you should have had cash on hand. Kids lost almost two years of school and that generation will probably never recover. Yes Trump brings up immigration and it sucks all the conversation out of the room away from topics he was weaker in. The set of things to care about is infinite yet you seem to be stuck on one, immigration.

You're still being disingenuous. I could bring up plenty of grievances you are unaware and uninformed and say, gotcha! Just because the media covers immigration as an issue doesn't mean I or anyone else has to place it on our list of important things.

In 2019 trust in media was about 60%. Today it's about 30%. I'm sure where he was convicted the numbers are probably higher. My trust in media has been about 5% since the Iraq war and I read Chomsky as a left winger. So you'd be fighting at least a 20 year trend for myself to believe any claim made against him, especially since there are numerous examples where they deliberately lied. The regular public's media trust collapsed after 2020.

I am accountable to my family and three young children. Children are a tremendous amount of work. I do not have the capacity or resources to care for someone else's decision to bring their family to another country. The decisions your side made to threaten my livelihood and my family count more than an abstract immigrant family I don't know. This is skydiving forum, you should understand accountability.

In 2019 the public had been subjected to 4 years of, "literal Hitler, puppet of Putin" so I don't quite understand how you could make this claim.

Looks like it: https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/1854988675425185845 Maybe I'll move back.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/yes-trump-improved-young-men-drew-young-women-rcna179019 No one believes the rape claims. The proportion of the population that believes the news is trustworthy has dropped to lower than the proportion that believes in the competence of Congress. To get Baysian about it, you'd need many years of new evidence to update their beliefs. Even if the claim that he is a racist or a rapist were true that would barely move the needle to improve their trustworthiness. You'd have to calculate probability. Trump is a racist given the news said he was a racist (or rapist). Even if true, that's not going to move the probability of the claim that he is a racist very far forward for any other claim that the media makes about him.

Everyone here was trying to put words in my mouth on why I voted for Trump. You parroted standard points that you think right-leaning people use to justify their support of trump without first even asking me. With the exception of Wendy who is a master class of how you have a conversation. You don't yell news, talking points and invent phantoms that aren't there or call people rapist supporters. If that's your reaction on how to talk to people then you need to log off the internet and unplug the TV and read some books. Go on a walk. The context of when I said I don't care about these issues are that was not what motivated me to vote for Trump. Not that I don't care about immigrants. I'm not sure if you're arguing in bad faith or that's what you really thought, but either way it's a pretty awful demonstration of reading comprehension. And if you want to have that conversation. If you look at the border towns, they voted overwhelmingly in support of trump even in communities with high immigrant populations.

I don't believe the story. Anything 20 years old is sus, especially at the eve of the 2020 campaign.

I don't believe it was rape and my motivation for voting for him did not even consider it. I voted against the party that tried to get me fired when I was remote and think Vance and Elon have a shot of reform. Your hall monitor bureaucracy party is done.

It certainly is not the common cold or flu after the age of 60. Metabolic disorders are definitely one of the largest problems we face. Ensuring at risk people had treatment was a better strategy than forcing the entire population to take a drug. As soon as force is involved bad actors can abuse it. The pharma industry has plenty of examples of abuse. Examples that resulted in billion dollar legal judgements. Talks of getting more exercise and diet changes were fat shaming. Fat is beautiful! I don't have time to talk about the Fed in detail. The root problem is it distorts the true price of goods. Also, you can't wage war on every continent with sound money. Fiat currency always comes about in times of war when you can't pay soldiers. Then it becomes an addiction and driver of "growth".