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It is impressive they got through the red tape of the FDA to deploy it at all. The horse paste is a bit of propaganda too, considering ivermectin won the Nobel prize for parasites in humans and some doctors are prescribing it. There is the errant person using vet meds for it, but it's disingenuous. That said I have no opinions on its effectiveness against covid and wouldn't take it myself.

Straw man. In a base environment the main danger is the wall you just jumped. So to prevent accidents you take longer delays, run and push harder. A reserve does nothing but add complexity and the nature of accidents doesn't make them effective for most jumps. If you're only jumping 3000 feet walls with a wingsuit and pulling high, take a reserve.

It's not cumulative. You can say the whole population under 18 has 2.9 rate for simplicity in your favor or combine them which it appears the site does if you select under 18 only resulting in true value of 1.9.

Where are you seeing 4.3? I only see 2.9 now (up from 2.6) since they got more data.

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/covid19_3.html It doesn't look like moving/long term average to me. The child averages are the same in 2020 and now, as I have said over and over which doesn't seem to imply delta is some how worse on them. The 65 and over crowd has way less hospitalizations which seems to imply the vaccine has some effect (or delta is less severe). But they don't breakout cases of delta vs alpha in most of the data so who knows.

What I meant to post in my lack of sleep article from above: https://www.newsweek.com/leaky-vaccines-may-create-stronger-viruses-357575 This: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7058279/ more recent article involving chicken vaccines. Seems to say: "Better to get vaccinated because it reduces transmission". Since going back and reading my posts I think I didn't really explain my point and I linked an article, so I'll do it here. Every organism responds to selection pressure. If you plate bacteria on medium with antibiotics, increasing the concentration at each plating, in just a few generations they will be immune to the antibiotic. All of the covid 19 vaccines are single antigen--not a vaccine. A single spike protein received indirectly by the mRNA or directly by manufacture and growing with adenovirus. I'm not aware of any mechanics in their construction that would prevent new virus from emerging like every other biological organism. Maybe it's something about covid 19 that makes not subject to evolution? Weird since it seems to have come from bats. You could still make the argument in favor of taking the vaccine for at risk, but what happens when 4 new variants emerge? Then four new variants off that? What is the production/research capability to build out new mRNA vaccines for increasing number of variants? How much GDP would you have to use? Maybe we can stop production of everything else and just make mRNA vaccines? Or maybe I'm missing something about the evolution of covid, virus, and vaccines. I assume you're implying something about the NY cases? Why did they have so many fatalities early relative to every other city and state? My understanding it was the treatments developed. Doctors were initially scared to just use high flow oxygen in fear it would infect everyone. By may they knew vent first and ask questions later wasn't the best treatment method.

Why then is the CDC number 2.3 to 2.6 per 100k? Is that number attributed to more cases or more infections? Assuming zero had covid the rate is basically the same between now and 2020 peak in 5 to 17 yr olds.

I've had wine, haven't read it yet, but leaving for tomorrow: https://mobile.twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1441082279225298945

Its from the WebMD article. The link is the CDC data from my screenshot.

I'm on parental leave and have sporadic access to mobile internet. Its on my list :)

See above. A rate of 2.6 per hundred thousand equals 2000 hospitalizrd kids if all 77 million kids contracted covid. Not even considering, some kids are vaccinated, a lot had covid and have immunity and the rate is half for children under 5. Having 2000 kids in the hospital the same week seems impossible.

Mr Billvon, quoted the WebMD article in reference to me saying kids dying was propaganda. In that article they claim 1900 kids were hospitalized. I think that's fishy propaganda because: If every child had covid in the country at the same time that would only equate to 2000 hospitalized kids based on the quoted CDC data above. Dude they quoted about kids being sent to Oklahoma was a judge, and not at anyway affiliated with the hospital or public health.

https://sanjosespotlight.com/santa-clara-county-revises-total-covid-deaths-by-over-20/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/wpde.com/amp/news/nation-world/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report-07-18-2020 In addition in overzealous use of ventilators they were basically executing people early in the pandemic before treating like other respiratory disease with oxygen and steroids. Treatment has improved dramatically.

Graph below shows cases per 100k for < 5 and 5-17. There was a spike but it doesn't seem that much different than the previous wave. 2.3 to 2.6 per 100k. Given 77 million kids that comes to 2000 hospitalized kids if every one of them were infected with covid at the same time. And again I'm being charitable. I'm assuming all under 17 at the higher hospitalization rate of 2.6. also assuming hospitalization means with covid and not broken arm then tests while treated (which has and does happen) as alluded to above by someone else. https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/covid19_3.html Also note the common propaganda technique here : “That means if your child’s in a car wreck, if your child has a congenital heart defect or something and needs an ICU bed, or more likely, if they have COVID and need an ICU bed, we don’t have one,” Clay Jenkins, a Dallas County judge, said on Friday." Why quote a Dallas county judge and not someone in the hospital? https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/covid19_3.html

A vaccine so good it doesn't protect the people who get it. Interested in Oofscience rebuttal of leaky vaccines not being the cause of evolution in virus due to selection pressures. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/leaky-vaccines-enhance-spread-of-deadlier-chicken-viruses

I've not seen this anywhere but the worst of all propaganda equating kids contracting covid with being equal to ICU visits.

Looks healthy.

It's a little more complicated. I'd argue skydiving is much more dangerous than we would like to think since incident reports aren't required for non fatals. Long covid comes up a lot, rather than dismiss it I thought I'd assume it was at least as bad as the disfigurement and suicides from life changing injuries sustained skydiving. I think that's reasonable and fair yes. The alternative response being, Hur dur muh long covid. Otherwise maybe you can argue that long covid is somehow more prevalent and/or worse than skydivers who've had limbs amputated, brain damaged or ended up as quadriplegic.

I think it is counting contracting covid and death rate. If it wasn't it would be orders of magnitude lower. Haven't yet seen anyone on HermanCainAwards that should have been unvaccinated. If you find one that is smaller than fat bastard from Austin Powers let me know.

Yeah and all the paralyzed, brain damaged, and amputees from skydiving don't show up in fatal stats. I treated those outcomes as constant for covid and skydiving.

I only know of one covid fatality, mother in law of an employee. My wife's employee was hospitalized by the Pfizer vax. Heart issues days after it was given. All of it is rare. If I didnt look at Reddit I wouldn't know anyone had died of covid or the vaccine. According to this: https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1439958258727407621/photo/1 My age group (40) has 34 in 100k fatality rate. Children under 17: 1 in 100k. At 8 micromorts per jump skydiving hits 3400 micromorts at 425 jumps. For someone under 20 it's like doing 8 skydives. 40 is the same as doing 425 skydives. At 50 covid is more like doing 1300 skydives. Risk profile everyone here seems to be really uncomfortable.

Pretty juicy stuff. "There isn't data to be convince my nurses refusing the vaccine are safer with the vaccine than without" "70x risk of heart attack" "We have to kill 2 people with the vaccine to save 1"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study

I've been cordial to everyone, can't really say the same about most of you.

The study I saw, which to be fair I can't find was 40% per month, at the 3rd month there was basically no detectable antibodies in the blood. The 8 month, 5 month booster recommendation definitely seems to imply it's less effective than they thought (and not just from the variants).