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I wouldn’t retract everything. There are plenty of violent leftist of which I provided plenty of examples.

It doesn’t count perp deaths (Babbitt), but the 140 injuries would count. My beliefs literally changed in this thread. It went from the right violence isn’t as bad to when it does happen it seems to be more random and larger scale. As opposed to just knocking off a commentator or CEO (discounting the couple of left school shootings that are also random). I said silence is violence in reference to the common justification you see to punching nazis and such. There was a link I posted about it. If silence is violence I can kill you to save everyone. I found a few others but the number of absolute incidents on the left is higher. It’s just the ones on the right cause more injuries. I have not added up all the times a university gets broken up or silenced but I’m sure there are enough injuries to do it. Also Tesla bombings and some of the bigger riots for the left aren’t totally accounted for.

But I got the data and said in my second post I could be convinced. It was definitely my assumption, but I kept digging and found more data. Some that skewed the numbers when looking by incident where the right wing violence looks worse. I think I met you too at a dz.com boogie a million years ago. DON'T DOX ME. Or Russian Disinformation, disaffected Anonymous members, bored kids on 4chan, whatever your favorite bot source is. You're forgetting that I actually did dig and I said in my second post, I can be convinced.

So that you can bring your own hastily compiled data and maybe averaging both data we get less hastily compile data. Do you even online bro? I'm updating it, I'm not saying, hey here is the full version and it's the gospel of all incidents. I was hoping to source more data. The narrative in righty land is that leftists are all violent extremists. When the leftists aren't literally shooting people and rioting they are ready to kill anyone for speaking ill of a tranny, like JK Rowling. The narrative in leftie land is that right wing extremists are constantly planning a fascist take over and genocide of .... protected group. I was evaluating the root data for both of those claims as well as seeing if there is some real escalation going on. I LEARNED SOME THINGS. Is that not what you are here for? Are you infallible with a full memorization of all the statistics? Do you even check your beliefs? Some general things that seem to be apparent: The reporting underrepresents lefty political attacks in general. They do things like including gang violence and Islamic attacks as right wing extremism in reports about it. Both sets of attacks that have obviously mentally ill people that did not even stand trial due to their mental state and ones that probably fall into that category that were killed during the incident. It does seem to be the case that right leaning attacks lead to more fatalities and left leaning ones are more targeted. I will not be moving into a bunker. Yet. I don't know how you can say that since I've revised it 7-10 times. A full explanation is that I care a little bit (I posted that in response to another graphic on the site). BOTH SIDES HAVE BOTS. I give greater weight to people I know and have met in real life (Billvon once in like 2002, 2000 or something) so if he said something justifying violence I'd be like, here is an actual leftist saying some crazy violent rhetoric, not saying he has any such views. In another forum I frequent with people I know in person, there was high support of Luigi, so I give that a lot of weight. A much smaller set of people I actually know are cheering on Kirk killer, but I have seen a couple. I try to assume the text screenshots are bots or something that approaches bots. In the case above I posted it because I'd seen some others. TikTok videos I give a little more weight since it's still likely to be a real person.

I'm literally just trying to count it, today. I omitted it by accident and then added it. If I find any other ones I'll also add them. I posted the stats above. More targeted incidents on the left, that result in fewer casualties over all. The El Paso shooting and Charlotteville skew it worse, in number of injuries/deaths, for right leaning incidents. The raw number of incidents is higher for the left. Don't really care, just trying to get all the data in one place. I have it in a dataframe if you want it! I commented to discuss political violence. A subset of those count (like someone going in and killing kids because trans rights or racism). I'm interested in: What's the current rate of violence between political groups? Is it escalating? Are we headed for civil war? Should I move my kids into a bunker? Is the Kirk assassination enough to really escalate things? Aren't there firearm threads already to discuss the above generally if you want to?

Not yet complete: ================================================================================ SUMMARY STATISTICS ================================================================================ Incident Count by Political Leaning: Political_Leaning Left 14 Unconfirmed 6 Right 5 Name: count, dtype: int64 Total Fatalities by Political Leaning: Political_Leaning Left 14.0 Right 39.0 Unconfirmed 10.0 Name: Fatalities, dtype: float64 Total Injuries by Political Leaning: Political_Leaning Left 12.0 Right 71.0 Unconfirmed 19.0 Name: Injuries, dtype: float64

Oversight. Just made the list. Found another. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_El_Paso_Walmart_shooting It was on the list just jumbled in the wrong spot. Currently if you count since 2010 and include obviously mentally ill nutters whether left or right it’s 19 left instances to 5 right wing. I have 4 mass shooting incidents that are unconfirmed either way.

I actually have a list going and did have Jan 6, but not Charlottesville. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_mail_bombing_attempts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally Including, but they are older than this current modern era, and feel the 2010s and onward is where the focus should be... Apparently the Hortman one is also anti-abortion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Hortman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

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I’m willing to be convinced if you provide links. Since 2015, it’s been riots, bombings and assassinations coming from the left. The only right attacks close to the modern era are Dylan Roof, Giffords, and abortion bombings pre 2010. MSNBC anchor was just fired over it. Social media is loaded with celebration. See also, Luigi. Silence is violence.

The left are the ones assassinating their opponents like modern Bolsheviks. I'm not even going to count the cheerleading and happy claps for these incidents. Get on a Reddit thread or Bluesky and you'll see countless justifications of violence. "I bet he was a nazi" "if he wasn't at the rally he wouldn't have died" "They have insurance". Even worse the left routinely eats their own and excommunicates people. I'd be worried just because you can never be too left. What Shibboleth will you violate and end up a target? I will acknowledge some of them, on both the right and left, fall probably more on the mentally ill side and are a case of "choose the form of your destructor" where the mentally ill person uses whatever the TV screens say as the justification. Kirk is going to turn out to be more political violence but I'll keep that one off the official list until official motive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Tacoma_immigration_detention_center_attack https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/04/us/luigi-mangione-diary-entries-murder-case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Capital_Jewish_Museum_shooting https://nypost.com/2025/06/27/us-news/college-student-accused-of-torching-teslas-is-facing-stiff-federal-prison-sentence/ https://nypost.com/2025/04/07/us-news/trans-nashville-school-shooter-audrey-hale-ranted-about-wanting-to-kill-all-the-white-kids-in-newly-revealed-diary-entries/ https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2020/09/03/vice-plans-to-air-interview-with-oregon-man-confessing-to-killing-at-portland-protest/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Tacoma_immigration_detention_center_attack https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/new-york-mourns-loss-nypd-officers https://nypost.com/2025/08/28/us-news/minneapolis-school-shooter-robin-westman-confessed-he-was-tired-of-being-trans/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Donald_Trump_in_Florida https://abc7chicago.com/post/more-than-100-buildings-damaged-at-least-40-destroyed-in-kenosha-unrest/6402998/ https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage Older ones https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/new-york-mourns-loss-nypd-officers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_baseball_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Donald_Trump_Las_Vegas_rally_incident See rhetoric like this on this forum:

Sold my Mooney last year. Annuals way cheaper on the 5 inch quad.

The young fly FPV: https://www.reddit.com/r/fpv/ less risk than wingsuit base.

I, being a remote worker and able to afford everything delivered, could easily adhere to the lockdown. The front line minimum wage people and their children you sacrificed could not. There are plenty of places (Sweden) that appear to have done better than the hardest lockdown states when you look at age adjusted death rate. However, optimizing for a signal metric though is short-sighted. Skydivers ought to know quality of life and fun are worthy sacrifices to scary death rates but it's been so long most of us jumped I guess you all forgot it. Look, Mississippi is now doing better in education than California: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/what-happened-to-naep-scores?utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=true

I was not arrested and didn't lose my job or my house, but I knew people that did. I lost coffee shops and restaurants I enjoyed but the people that work there or owned the businesses lost homes and livelihoods..

Because they arrested people outside at the beach and shutdown businesses. 1/3 of the places I regularly went to closed permanently.

My point was that all of this was done to regular people when the Democrats were in power. We know we aren't going to like it because they already showed the worst authoritarian tendencies 4 years ago. Not judges, not people with political power, moms and regular people.

During the Bush years that was the maxim. Give ultimate power to chase terrorists and eventually they'll be scraping your cellphone data. Unfortunately we had a massive authoritarian abuse of power in recent memory. You probably cheered when the government arrested mothers taking kids to parks, arrested surfers, closed businesses, threatened jobs, and bulldozed skate parks. Most Trump supporters aren't going to shed a tear over illegals and judges after the extent they went after regular people.

At this rate it will be the same as 2019.

It started before pedo incident. He grew frustrated with growing negative press and started attacking the press himself which spiraled: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/tesla-hit-lawsuit-called-hotbed-racist-behavior-n820651 https://www.inverse.com/article/31478-spacex-settles-underpaid-workers-lawsuit-for-4-million

Damn! I was going to go pick up some raw milk and help the Mennonites raise a barn this week.

I was adding humor. I'm aware of all the 1 in 30,000 edge cases. Conflating a real thing like androgen insensitivity with a 13 year old girl who wants to be different or a 50 year old man who wants to go in women's spaces as all one homogeneous group is silly. Both sides do it.

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Unless the dollar and systems regulating it are already cooked and powers abroad aren't onboarding into our control. The hope is Bitcoin based financial systems founded in the US could be under the US thumb.

This could be a great list! Unhoused Gender affirming care Reproductive rights Undocumented workers Pre-existing condition Gun control Stay home together Mostly peaceful protest Public health crisis Domestic terrorist Current right wing Groomer Election integrity Cancel culture 911 era right Enhanced Interrogation Enemy combatant Regime change From Politics of the English Language, 1984s companion > The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies ‘something not desirable’. The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice, have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another. In the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides. It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it: consequently the defenders of every kind of régime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using that word if it were tied down to any one meaning. Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way. That is, the person who uses them has his own private definition, but allows his hearer to think he means something quite different. Statements like Marshal Pétain was a true patriot, The Soviet press is the freest in the world, The Catholic Church is opposed to persecution, are almost always made with intent to deceive. Other words used in variable meanings, in most cases more or less dishonestly, are: class, totalitarian, science, progressive, reactionary, bourgeois, equality.