VectorBoy

He had five of the original demos. I doubt he has any of the newly redesigned ones. Those are probably just comming out now. So it would ( I'm guessing ) be only the recently purchased ones that are 2.0

Has anyone tried the Matter 2 version 2.0 ? The one with the larger leg wing vent opening? Better yet if you have access to one can anybody up load photos of this improvement.

There are a lot of quality lubes that would work, but don't forget the guy will need a padded ball sack muff to keep the package from buffetting at those extreme velocities. Come to think about it put one of those muffs on the tunnel camera too as no other guys what to see a ball sack squirm around like a rabid prairie dog.

Jet rangers are cramped. Its the helo I tore my matter bootie trying to zip up inside. Be smart like my other wingsuit partner and zip up before boarding. Since the craft doesn't have a tall mast ( distance of skid to rotorhead )when jumpers bail its important that they don't kick off and away. Doing so actually makes the bird sway so hard that the cyclic hits the side stop and for a micro-second the pilot is out of control. They hate this and they will let you know it! For this same reason I bet they will require a symetrically balanced exit. One jumper per side but at the same time and they will prefere a gentle step off. Another draw back of the ranger, unlike the wide open cockpits of big Bells and A-stars, is the fact that its a little harder to see from one side to the other side because of the doors B pillers and the interior center column. Make sure you give yourself and your partner some time to find each other to give a syncronized count. We've done the facing each other step off and back flip to flight and the step off from the forward part of the skid to flight best when the craft is carrying a little forward travel and not in a hover. Depending on what suit you have on it may be inflated from the downwash just standing on the skid. Its fun enjoy! The pilot might get a thrill by seeing a wingsuit take off below and in front of him/her.

I understand ( and no coments about purty mouth ) But besides the comedy factor these discussions run deep and long. Just like the issues they pertain to. Check the reply count on these training treads vs lets say treads about someones new suit. We either need some understanding and tolerance or these will flame-up from time to time. If we don't enjoy these then tolerance will be our best friend. Oh and BTW for the record I really enjoy treads featuring pics of girls in their new wingsuits. When we run out of girls in new suits then guys pose up some girls in your borrowed suits. Don't actualy take them up unless a BMI approves but pose them up. You know what I need. Wifes, gilfriends, babysitters and that sexy mexican maid of yours.

You'll get proper instruction from Jason, despite the fact that he's being a total dork to anyone that put their time and money into getting a BMI rating. Lighten up. DO IT! Hey hey now he is not a total dork. He is just frustrated, and tired and put on the diffensive ( Texas style )by some other people who's beliefs are just a tad different. And there is nothing to say we don't respect those that put there time and money into the BMI rating. There were more but I recall you , Kevin and Bill V doing it just to be better at what you do nothing more. And are you really a terrible dater? Even in Portland? Or is this the basement chick filling out the questionaire. Cuz chicks dig guys who fly wingsuits. Like I was at the dentist today wearing my bird-man jacket and tracking pants and the girlz were all mine for the taking. I didn't get like BMI greedy or anything just a number or two.... I could have used a wingman to take some of the attention off . You know to operate and such. Glen

People just need to manage to get together and share a beer in person and a lot of online misunderstandings go away. (And give me one of those beers!) So I'm agreeing with Juju - bury the hatchet, make up, and get me a kid-sized demo suit in Texas! Wen You are absolutley correct when these chumps do get together in real life its very fun, only here it gets ugly. Almost like the ufos stole their man parts. BTW I might be able to help get you a Demo suit It will have to be a non-rated demo thats all I have. All of my rated suits are at the cleaners.

There Is Always Time For The Probe. Say it with me. And I want to hear the capital letters. Do you want it in regular english or that missisppi vernacular you so entertained us with a few months back?

I am working on my official Bird-Man Instructor rating... Chris Chris you are an already bona-fide been around before the structure, been taking new birdies up before forever. Jumped all the suits, multi hundred wingsuit ( maybe thou plus by now ) jump, never take the suit off your rig MOFO. You are what potential employers would call level one (or my catagory one) wingsuit instructor. Your shouldn't have to work ( IMO) on the rating. Just DO IT!

Time can always be made for the probe! Is that something they teach cadets at the academy? "The plunger and other tools for close quarter persuasion". Valuable skill if you ever find yourself with a so inclined date or need to get the DZ crackho out your trailer in the morning.

let's make it clear. That's not the case. We don't want unqualified wingsuit pilots taking up new birds. That's doesn't necessarily mean "unrated". Cool, now I'm relieved! A BMI said it so its now BMI official policy. BTW I googled cat bomb and didn't get anything? Can you provide more insight? It sounds like something fun for a science project... for the kids I mean of course. I can get the cats but I doubt anybody will give me the catylist or detonator. Oh one more thing. That chick that is chewing the gum, do you know her? She isn't tied up in your basement is she? Cuz she is hot , tied up in a basement kind of hot if you know what I mean.

We are not undermining anything. We do not remove or ignore parts from a standard course. Steve if you gave a course and I gave a course I doubt there would be a hell of a lot of difference. The on-line tone has been that some in the establishment don't want anybody who is not rated involved in anyway. Thats the problem, if we flock in a region we are all involved. Was this productive enough or is it time for the probe?

I've tried neither but heard that the blade is the one to compare in the same class as the katana not the nitro.

Not exactly advanced math there. Well with the 45 degree rule doesn't become geometry?

Maybe 10 years from now, when half the people on the DZ are doing WS jumps, and there's competitions, the world champions will be able to elicit that sort of money for coaching jumps. But wingsuiting isn't freeflying. Yet. I bet it will be. I know there will be a team alchemy extreme of wingsuiting in years to come. The guys ( or girls ) are probably in Jr high school right now. One of my jobs is to stay around long enough to see it and maybe go on one of those expensive coach jumps with them. I'll start saving today.

Also.. what affects do airlocks have on toggle and riser pressure? And formations that require continous warping? Glen

You can't really go complaining to a gear manufacturer or the UPSA about this. Change can be affected slowly, but that doesn't mean that the "deficiency" now is someone's fault. You can't expect anyone to be everywhere at once. You know I've never complained about any gear manufacturer. Even though to some people it seems that I complain about all of the BMIs, I don't. I never have. I understand the costs of attracting their presence, services and demo gear to events small and large. I believe they should be compensated. I don't believe they must train anyone who asks, that is a personal decision. There are just too few BMIs to have the kind of influence in the field that they would like. This is nobody's fault, its just the way it is. So then you get scenarios like Jason's in Texas and some others regions that I know of. Jason just happens to be verbal about it. The others just press on without being open about what is going on. In the case of our area there are enough spare suits that rarely get used that somebody will just toss at you if you know who to ask. Even if you remove me and my big fat mouth and one spare classic from the equation, there are ten guys standing behind me who will do it. They don't post and few even lurk this forum as its not the real world of skydiving..... its just not. Most of them are on the dropzone ten times more than I am. Chuck knows this, we discussed it in Rantoul before he crafted the established BMI program. My maybe three days of a month on the dropzone does not constitute a one man crusade against the BMI program . I like Jason am also vocal about the reality in the field in our respective regions. So what we do ( and a few silent others ) gets the negative attention of some (not all) of the BMIs. I understand it goes against what they know, what they have been taught and more importantly how it works in their region or home DZ. So if based on the negative comments turned into discussion and then on to heated debate, with respective parties getting into a defensive posture, We can get closer to a better understanding of how the world of wingsuiting is evolving outside of our normal operating circles,.... maybe we can live and let flock. Maybe even without posts about "rebel mentors" and "greedy BMIs". At least until we discover a real dangerous rebel mentor and/or a totally greedy selfish BMI.

Just like it's ridiculous for Alchamy to get $60 a jump to coach freefly, or $100 a person per hour of tunnel time? Just like it's ridiculous for Team Extreme to get $200+ for a 5 jump canopy control course? Just like it's ridiculous for PPP to get $2500 for an RW 4 way camp? Oh yeah, you got it pegged alright. Quote Its very hard to compare specialist that have 10,000 jumps in their craft whether it be world domination of freefly or canopy piloting expertise or big way camp organizing. To someone who might have a hundred wingsuit jumps( or lets go full tilt and say 1000 ) and a patch that says they are an instructor. BTW ask team extreme or alchemy how much of that coaching they do and if its more hassle than not. And many,many more jumpers do not go to the top for canopy or freefly coaching but just to somebody they can afford. As far as the tunnel goes its a facility with large power consumption a multi person staff and a construction loan that has to be paid. There is absolutly no comparison there. If you think there prices are too high you can build your own tunnel. In fact someone should build a tunnel on the diagonal for wingsuit jumpers.

Actually, buried in the all the flaming and insults, there was a request for the secret info which is taught in the BMI course to be made public. I think that more importantly it points to the fact that the BMI rated program has some geological shortcomings. If you are somewhere its hard or rare for the program instructors to get to you can wait for a BMI and a factory demo suit or you can seek non rated mentorship on someones personal suit . This will upset SOME ( not all )of those in the establishment. And inversely in regards to a location with 25 plus wingsuit owners, a third of which are on their second more progressive suits and where you have many spare unused primary suits available. Only a small fraction are really avid wingsuiters. For the most part it is their third discipline and the suits get used infrequently. It is ridiculous for anyone to think that you can collect $49.95 for a ground course, slot plus $20.00 for air instruction followed by $10.00 suit rental per jump no matter how professional and safety righteous you think you may be. Despite maligning anybody elses program ( or complete lack of a program )as unsafe. You will never collect $100.00 for a first flight course. I hear slot plus pack job, I've gotten a few slots here and there sometimes a beer. But I will do it for a smile and I consider myself lucky. This is nothing new it is the way it has always been ( yup, even before I got here ). Proof: on the BM web page there is a picture of the lovely Kim G conducting the ground course for not less than 10 new to be birds at the first ever BM visit here in 2001. Do you know how many out of the ten actually used a BMI for the first jump? You are talking to him. The only one of the ten. Its hard to change a culture going on its fifth decade. There are a lot of classic ones and twos floating around here that I know of but I have yet to see an instructor price sheet. Its a hard fact for the BMIs to get use to the fact that their ideals may not work everywhere. Now we return you to the regularly scheduled flammings and insults. Glen

Whoa, I never knew. I just thought he was lazy and hadn't gotten around to working on it.

Why be so anti? It's one thing to act independently, but there's no reason to be against BMIs. For those of considering anti-BMIedness, focus your energy on perfecting your own program rather than point out flaws in ours. If you want to make a difference, do it with positive actions, not negative words. YODA said that? I'm not anti BMI. I'm anti taking yourself too seriously *anything*. I'm not a figure head for a movement and not part of anything that wasn't here already before I got here myself. Word

I don't think you can say that on this forum........ about deuce not having a sense of humor I mean. I wouldn't be out on a limb in saying that he does have a sense of humor.... and takes it less seriously than a lot of posters.

Jason BMIs don't do it for the cash..... they do it for the chicks and the patch. The patch helps get the chicks. Atmospheric dolphine- wingsuit level six- three degree blackbelt. You too can learn my secrets, buy my video. Glen

This is very interesting Jason, The intersesting part was that I was just working on the draft in regards to the skills test portion for my new atmospheric dolphin -wingsuit division - award. And of course I'm going to trademark it.

No local or regional conflicts. The real world of wingsuits is a wonderful place. Everybody is happy, everybody for the most part is safe. Well except for the guy that tries to sell JP's stolen S3. There aren't any negative comments, or few but that is life. Mostly its a worldwide brotherhood and sisters too. There is even really good video and as a bonus, I don't see dead people! Its here on the forums that you hear the open complaints about mentors, of banning wingsuits, lack of access to training. People are unhappy, distrustful. Defensive, yeah even me. Tired and whinny. Quik to point fingers. looking for answers to questions that really don't matter that much. The real wingsuit world from where I'm standing is a blast. I am completely serious My view is good, how is yours? Glen