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If one is going to grill anything out doors, it better not just be some sausage or patties. Any real braai will contain steak, chicken, sausage (wors), lamb chops and perhaps some kebabs. The 1kg Texan steaks are the best on a braai, and rare or medium-rare is the only way to cook a steak. As for the salads, I'm a sucker for both potato salad and any pasta salad. '3 bean salad' is also often a good addition.

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Yeah, but you're like.... Old and stuff... And I am a perfect gentleman. But also in a happy relationship of my own, so let it be noted that the comment was naturally in jest.

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Considering the bible states that heaven will consist of people singing praises to the Lord 24/7 for the rest of eternity, I will also say that I am not keen hey. Having to deal with it for 3 hours every Sunday was bad enough. I think a lot of people assuming that heaven is going to be a place where they can do things they want and have fun and just be like life version 2. According to the bible they will just be praising, forever and ever and ever. No talking or communicating with anyone/thing else. Just praise... Sounds pretty similar to eternal torture.

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Good idea, will try changing it ASAP.

Yup, and I may well decline the tract as throwing it away would require some effort, but I wouldn't try and shove them away with their religion. Because of tattoos I am often approached by the religious on the street where they try and teach me about things I already know. I don't tell them to fuck off... I discuss the religion with them, my position on it, why I believe what I do. We have a debate on the reasons of verses and their desired impact, the history of it and usually at the end of a good debate we are both smiling and shake hands and part ways.

And as one of the better biblical sayings go. By whoever has the best job history, outside of that - whoever needs it more in their life, followed by whoever is the nicest, friendliest person. Something that is not dictated by their religious beliefs. But I can say that their religious beliefs would be far far far down on the list of things I'd care about when hiring them.

Nope, I make sure to only put myself in positions that I know I will be able to afford. But I do have bills to pay just like everyone else and if anything, this incident would just make me realize that maybe I've got the wrong client base, people who would be willing to stop supporting me because I am not as judgemental as them. Completely un-Christian. And if Christian weddings are their niche, they should state so. Because I assure you most people getting married in a straight wedding that aren't religious don't care about whether the photographer shot a gay wedding. One would need to be a really bad photographer for them to be already established and have their career ruined by taking pictures at a gay wedding. Also, from the sounds of it this was done because they disagreed with the practice, not because they were scared that their other clients may hear of it. One doesn't exactly have a settled client base for wedding photography either, it's usually a once off and then your business comes from people seeing the quality of your images, not what type of people you work with. If anything this thread has made it clear once more how lucky I was to get out of the church. People wanting to treat me differently because I am less bigoted than them. If there were a God, I wouldn't be surprised if he just lets everyone get a free pass after the way Jesus's teachings have been butchered and with the representatives of Christ being something that any true Christian would be ashamed of. Stop supporting your brothers and sisters because they show hospitality to those who differ. Refusing to help/give service to people who don't believe in the same things. It would appear as though they all need to spend more time trying to remove the plank from their own eyes.

Surely either it's okay to pick your business based on people's beliefs or it isn't. Now you're saying it's only okay when you deem the business a non-essential service? I assure you that many people put organizing a wedding as planned pretty high up on their essentials. It's either right or wrong to discriminate, the business should be irrelevant. Which while I would get extremely annoyed if I were at the receiving end, is the right Christian response. Jesus would be rather distraught if he heard of people neglecting others because of their beliefs and treating others unlike they would want to be treated. But I am a bit bothered by the line of needing to justify your actions to your 'brothers and sisters'. See... This is one huge fault in religion. Any environment where you feel the need to justify yourself to others who may not agree with your behaviour is where it is not a personal relationship between you and God. That is a cult. Christianity, if practised properly would not have people that you would need to justify anything to. It is far more Christian for you to have gay friends, non-believers etc Than it is for you to neglect them based on their beliefs. In the bible it states quite clearly that you should not judge others and that it's God's duty. Yet the religious often seem to overlook that clear word of God and instead spend their life trying to change others lives. As a Christian you must tell others of the word of God, and share your experience, if someone bites - good for you. If they do not, the Christian thing to do is accept their choice and not treat them differently for it. I wouldn't want a client base of people who are bigots calling themselves Christians while not living in the way that is promoted in the bible. Those are not brothers and sisters in Christ, they are merely cult members who happen to follow the same belief. For the many years I went to church I noticed that hypocrisy too. Go directly against what Jesus teaches because someone else in the church may tell one of the elders and they may all look down on you. Sounds more like a high school clique to me.

Right or wrong is exactly the issue... And you showed in the last line that you think it's okay. But judging from your previous posts on the persecution of Christians, you'd be the first to have a fit when non-believers start refusing service to Christians based on their faith. In one breath you'll say that people need to be more tolerant of peoples live decisions, and yet in the same breath go ahead and say you support Christians being intolerant enough to refuse service to people who share different views. That seems the Christian way, everyone must be tolerant, unless they are not living according to Christian ideals.

The time period that needs to elapse is 3 days, so on the forth day it is available. No one is exempt from the security feature of waiting after registering, it's a measure that helps the seller far more than hinders them. Scammers are common place online and the steps to combat them are there for sellers safety. While they may want your e-mail, I'm sure they`d rather not have a dozen spammers e-mails too.

No. Nor are you getting your 1 minute back that you spent reading this response... In fact now I'm only continuing to type so that I know I am slowly wasting a portion of your life, and knowing that you could have stopped reading several lines ago, you still continue to read... Make that 2 minutes of your life

Personally, I still find the rack thread quite prudish in comparison to the men's version. Why was there never a "womens glory" thread? This is something I have wondered about numerous times.

The posts weren't removed because my assumption is, and I hope - that they weren't seen by a moderator. I have hidden some of the attacks, and I urge everyone to remember that just because you feel someone deserves to be attacked, doesn't make it any less against the forum rules. In this case, action would probably be warranted, but I try not to step in these areas of the forum unless a user points out issues via PM to me that aren't being tackled. Keep your personal issues with others off the forums.

And as for the story of the actual original thread. I am a bit on the fence about this, while I think it's disgusting to refuse service to someone because of their sexual orientation, and if it was in reverse and someone was refusing service to someone because they were Christian, they would also be making a huge deal about it and there would be an uproar. With that said, part of me wants to say that as the one running the business, one should have the right to deny service to anyone and choose your customers based on whatever criteria you personally want, no matter how closed minded or bigoted. But there is a problem there... It would essentially become apartheid all over again. Business owners could easily say that they do not want to provide a service to blacks, making it a whites only business. Which is very similar to what these people are doing. And all you need then is a hospital or school that is run by one of these people, and they could then refuse education or service to certain groups, based on their colour, sexual orientation or anything else they deem worthy. I assure you that if a black owner of a large corporation started refusing to provide services to whites, there would be a full on race war ignited. Especially if it was in an area that people are using daily. One has to use some common sense here, and realize that profiling is profiling, regardless of race or sexual orientation, and is that the kind of potential snow-ball effect one wants to support.

That is assuming the photographer is already an established one. Making a living as a photographer has become increasingly difficult, and more so for those who are looking to enter the business with talent and dedication. I have seen first hand how people prefer to pay less and hire a completely incompetent photographer as opposed to paying more and hiring someone who is actually skilled in the profession. I know a few people who literally take photos of their lens caps and say "LOOK AT MY PHOTOGRAPHY" and are getting paid to shoot stuff, it's disgusting. I am by no means a professional photographer, but I have spent 10 years practising, learning, reading, experimenting and there are people who are producing terrible images at standards far below mine being commissioned for stuff because they charge nothing. This is something that has been felt by professional wild-life photographers even too, I have spoken to some of the best in South Africa and even they are having a rough time, even after being established, because publications are now expecting amateur photographers to be giving away their images for exposure or charging next to nothing. I can assure you that in photography, the professionals are having to compete with novices, especially for commissioned work. Because many places do not think to look at portfolios, they have someone say "I'm a photographer", and they accept that. Now that everyone with a DSLR calls themselves a photographer (A term I am reluctant to give myself despite the amount of time and effort I spend on taking photographs). Where as in the past the word photographer was generally kept to people who were actually photographers. As I said, I have spoken to and read posts from some big names in S.A photography who have worked for National Geographic and are renowned for their work and they have also expressed their bitterness in the fact that magazines arent wanting to pay normal prices anymore because they simply say "Well **** offered us a pretty decent photograph of that for free, for exposure." It's the same way that being an extremely skilled bottom end factory worker will not have any advantages to the millions of other people who are willing to do that job for next to nothing.

I'll fire off a message to the ad department and ask that they have a look into it.

In the end it all comes down to each persons personal decisions. I have nothing against people being religious, so long as they aren't pushing their religious views on others. The only problem comes in when other peoples personal liberties are taken away because people feel that their personal belief means they must stop others from being able to live their own lives. The people who feel as though it's their responsibility to try stop others from making choices they see as bad ones. Ironically I stopped drinking alcohol and smoking weed at the same time I stopped believing in God. But some people do require something to help them, with many it's religion, and I wouldn't look down on someone for that. Religion if practised in ones own mind and household is far less dangerous than alcohol abuse. But again it comes down to how one practices their religion. And unfortunately vast majority think that their belief means that everyone else should have to live under the same restrictions their religion dictates them to. I don't have to agree with peoples decisions to understand why they happened and to realize that I have no place telling them how to live. If only the people voting on laws that would permit things their religion disagrees with and those who want to remove evolution from science class would do the same.

Oh I read the whole post. My posts in this thread are working at an angle directly related to the topic, but on a slight tangent. What I am trying to say is that, science is constantly seen as the anti-Christian movement because it disagrees with Christianity's primary beliefs. The growth of science is seen as 'the war on religion' by many Christians. Instead of it being what it is - science. As I stated before and what I am trying to get at, is that it's the Christians who are the ones in many cases trying to keep their Children from hearing about evolution in science class, or wanting creationalism to be taught in science. Even when it's not science. And they see the fact that science is a subject that contradicts their beliefs as a threat. I also mentioned before that you will not find many atheists who go and try to force science to be taught in church study groups. Unlike the Christians who have marched against science teaching evolution, numerous times. And yet some people are still fooled into thinking that it's the atheists that are the ones trying to force their beliefs on others. I am yet to see someone here who thinks that science can disprove god. You can't disprove faith. The same way science can't disprove fairies, unicorns or any other sort of belief that is held on faith and not evidence. Beliefs are not of scientific nature, and science will never be able to completely disprove a faith based belief. Even if science is able to pin point how the universe was created, and even if that evidence goes against Christian teachings. Majority of people who are Christians will remain Christian, you can show exactly how the world came together in a logical, scientific way some day and people will still just say "It was God who did that". The same way evolution is a proven theory with evidence in fossils, and in current life, something that has been witnessed and is clearly visible. There are plenty of people, some in this thread even that don't believe in evolution, and reject scientific evidence that disagrees with their beliefs. My point is that any good scientist would never throw out information just because it isn't supported by their current belief. They are constantly changing their minds on things when new evidence is brought in. I can assure you if there is some voice from out of space detected through machinery saying that god exists, scientists aren't going to go "Oh damn, God spoke to us... Well... it doesn't matter, I don't believe he exists" If any rational human being is introduced to evidence of religion being correct, he would be a fool to ignore it. And I don't think there are many people who when confirmed with the fiery pits of hell for eternity will choose to go there simply because he'd rather stick to other theories. The problem is that the church and religion see miracles and evidence in everything, even when it's not and then expect science to follow along. One of the Catholic saints who at that point had not performed any miracles and thus could not be a saint despite the Church wanting him to be, on his death bed asked for Herring, there weren't Herring where they were so he was given Pilchards and not told that it was not Herring. He then said after eating it "That was the best Herring I have tasted". The Church concluded that it must have turned to Herring in his mouth, that was his miracle, and thus he gained Sainthood. Now I'm sorry but that is not science or evidence.

All you've done here is show that you don't understand science. What do you expect, for them to study science, then come across something that is NOT SCIENCE and then try include it in their study just because it may look as though they're being hard headed? The argument is weak. A direct equivalent would be if the bible stated that 2 + 2 = 5. And then when mathematicians say "No, it's 4." You tell them to stop being so closed minded and try to accept other things. Science is science, it's nothing more and nothing less. But if one thinks that science should pretend to see merit in things that hold no scientific credibility, it's insane. I can't even express how little sense it makes to try get scientists to be more open to religion. When religion is NOT science and if anything is the opposite. Science is something that one can replicate numerous times, look at the results and come to a conclusion that if x and y happen, then z will occur. Religion is complete the opposite, good luck at trying to recreate miracles and spiritual happenings. The things people claim to experience at church and through the holy spirit are things they have been told often that they will or should feel. Scientists can perform the same experiment continents apart, without speaking to each other and without the experiment ever being done before and it will turn out the same. There's a million easy cop-outs for arguments for the religious, and scientists accept that you can't disprove faith. But if one is going to try put religion and science in the same category, one is making a big mistake. As I mentioned above, it's no different than the bible making a mathematical claim that does not follow mathematics, and then you getting pissed off at the mathematicians because they refuse to accept that your religion knows more about their field of study than they do, when they follow all the rules and nature of that field.

You see that's the irony. Some Christians actually think things like that, even when they're complete bullshit. Science constantly looks at things and re-evaluates things, it is never closed off to any idea that is achieved through the study of science. Which is much more than could be said for Christians. As a Christian, you are not able to look at other points of view properly, because as soon as you start questioning your God, you are disobeying him. A scientist is able to question whether it's methods are right or wrong, and scientists are ALWAYS saying "Whoops, we were wrong in this theory". Theories and discoveries are constantly evolving around all areas of science. Religion does not have this ability, you have an ancient book that dictates exactly what you're allowed to do and what you're not. As a Christian you are not able to go "Well, God said this... but everything else suggests this... I will now need to follow the latter" Instead you are forced to result to cliche and worn out escape routes like "It's faith", "God doesn't obey science, you just can't understand him" If anyone is closed minded it's Christians, and they have to be. If a Christian is not being closed minded, he is not following the word of God and thus a bad Christian. Though hey, nobody follows the word of God anyway, they just adapt it to fit how they live and somehow gain comfort in it, even though they're constantly disobeying God, and then twisting Gods words to fit their actions. Because you know... Clear God saying that working on the Sabbath is the same punishable sin as murder was just him not being able to describe what he thought properly.