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Are you F'N kidding? Cops have sooooooo much lattitude it's sick. If they kill someone, they at most lose their badge in most cases. That's a prosecutorial issue, not LEO. And again, the courts, esp the trial courts in neck states are really right-leaning. As well, you kinda support my fascist argument in that the gov doesn't wanna charge business, esp large business = fascism / corporatism. It'snot their job, just as I have no duty to report unless a special relationship exists. That doesn't go as far as making it legal to give aid to illegals. Do you want to pass laws requiring people to turn other sin? Me thinks you don't. Apparently you're not reading well, let me make this perfectly clear: THE ISSUE IS THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR WHO ARE ALOS LEGAL US CITIZENS VIA BIRTH OR NATURALIZATION WILL BE TARGETED, STOPPED W/O PC/RS, AND HARRASSED. Did that clear it up for you? No one that I give credit to is defending the illegals, I'm sure some fnatical groups are, I just don't agree with them. So is your answer to state that brown = PC/RS? Please answer, is it your notion / assertion that if cops get a free-brown card, that is, anyone brown can be stopped whether on foot or in a car w/o any cause whatsoever and asked for papers? Please answer. since you are so smart give some examples of how to fix this problem that would protect the citizens without getting the aclu involved.

maybe the legal ones should help and give a rats ass about america

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Absolutely! How about supporting significant penalties for employers who fail to make reasonable efforts to check employee's social security numbers? Maybe a significant number of contractors or chicken plant CEOs serving long jail sentences after being bankrupted by fines would send a message. If there were no jobs for illegals, there wouldn't be nearly as many people trying to come here. No need to throw US citizens and legal immigrants in jail for forgetting to carry their "papers" when running out to pick up a 6-pack. It would also help if we stopped undercutting Mexican farmers by subsidizing American farmers to sell overseas at less than the cost of production. Don What alot of people don't seem to understand is that the jobs are just a small prt of what brings them to the US. to many come here to have free health care and other benifits. Once they have a kid they can stay here, collect food stamps, welfare, and free medical care. they do not even need a job to be better off than in mexico. While collecting these free benifits they can work for cash and be even better off. cut them off of any fed or state money and alot would never come here.

The process that local cops will use is one of, "looks brown, that is RS to stop and check papers." Aside from intent, that will never be fully known anyway, the way this plays out will be that of, "looks brown, that's RS." Nazizona has gone back to the 1700-1800's in 2 bills. First, we passed the concealed carry w/o a permit, so it will be a little more like the old days of the west. Now we've passed this mess with legal racial profiling; no one rolls the clock back like Nazizona. Speaking of Nazizona, even tho this was an old American Indian monker, it is ironic how thinsg go full circle: http://rwarn17588.wordpress.com/2006/10/26/swastikas-on-old-arizona-road-maps/ Then there's this proposition; I like it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8205221 Maybe if the legal ones start working towards helping fix the problem and start speaking out against illegals the problem would fix it self faster. It's not the duty of any citizen, white, brown, black or green to fix the system. It is, however, the right of the gov to put in place and guarantee protections against government intrusion and this law in Nazizona paves the way for legal Mexican-Americans to have their civil and const rights intruded upon. Thsi basically removes the need for Reasonable Suspicion to ask a person for their papers. Cops will use this against white people too, if they want to stop and introgate a person on foot and that peson is white, they can say they thought they they heard that person talking about being here illegally from Canada or Europe. All this does is to give cops waaaay more power than they need, basically killing the rest of the 4th. If the federal government had done something other than let the system tie the hands of the propper officials this law wouldn't be needed. I feel for the victims of the illegal assult on arizona and they deserve this law. Now, maybe the state can start to actually protect their citizens from violent illegal aliens.

The process that local cops will use is one of, "looks brown, that is RS to stop and check papers." Aside from intent, that will never be fully known anyway, the way this plays out will be that of, "looks brown, that's RS." Nazizona has gone back to the 1700-1800's in 2 bills. First, we passed the concealed carry w/o a permit, so it will be a little more like the old days of the west. Now we've passed this mess with legal racial profiling; no one rolls the clock back like Nazizona. Speaking of Nazizona, even tho this was an old American Indian monker, it is ironic how thinsg go full circle: http://rwarn17588.wordpress.com/2006/10/26/swastikas-on-old-arizona-road-maps/ Then there's this proposition; I like it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8205221 Maybe if the legal ones start working towards helping fix the problem and start speaking out against illegals the problem would fix it self faster.

No. Try reading more. sounds to me like popsjumper understands it better than you

just another stupid waste of taxpayer dollars by the government. I hope Obama is proud.

In Illinois, the data show that white teenagers are slightly more likely to be involved with drugs than black, yet the black ones are some 19 times more likely to be locked up in the juvenile justice system when caught, while the white ones get probation or community service. Socioeconomic reasons, not race. Lame excuse when the socioeconomics are directly attributable to race. no the socioeconomics are directly attributed to a lack of desire not race Maybe the colored people to keep a low profile, stay in school, and get a job. we didn't make them dop out of school and live on drug profits. They chose to dropp out of scool on their own, they chose to not work on their own, and they chose to do drugs in sight of a cop. If you put yourself in a profiled group expect to get their type of punishment if caught. Did anyone on the left ever consider that if you look like a crook, act like a crook and are a crook you will be treated like a crook? Ever try to blame the individual that did wrong instead of the system. There are many colored people that do drugs that get a lessor sentence because they put themselves in the position to get a lessor sentance, like finished school, had a job and got a lawyer. Maybe it is the person not the system.

Yep..that's right. No hope. No chance they'll ever find a job but wait.... What about all the "Hope and change"? Where's all that? Where's the jobs saved or created? Maybe they're in the stock market. These hopeless SOB's might as well take the pipe. maybe if they didn't vote for hope and change they would have at least had what they had, now hope and change has taken what they had. (and soon to be alot more when the taxes go up to pay the debt) If we loose our AAA bond raTING WE ARE ALL SCREWED and that would not Bush's fault.

we still have the debt to pay and that will be a long hard road. by 2018 the interest will be almost a trillion dollars a year, almost 30% of the budget passed last year. the interest alone would have paid for the health insurance bill for ten years, or the wars or the road projects, or the retirements of most on soso security.

so it is racist to not support the lazy and clueless. I got it now you use racism to get people to pay for those that are less fortunate due to being lazy. I see those that cry racism are the one that are usually racist, like you. If you ever actually READ WHAT THE FUCK I WRITE... instead of sticking to your fringe right assumptions of what you THINK I wrote.... you might just STFU. But we KNOW that aint gonna happen now dont we Point #1 Point #2 Point #3 You can start your sputtering and backpeddaling now you still did not remove the incentive for them to come here, no welfare, no medical care, no housing, no unemployment no drivers lic, no food stamps, no citezenship for the kids nothing until you come here legally. the government gives them the incentives to come here the employers just capitalize on the cheap labor. when an illegal walks into a federal office, hospital, gets pulled over, or is turned in by a citizen they should be deported. on the next bus south, and now we have fixed grayhounds issues because we could use them to do the deporting. fix the border so they can not come over would also help.

there would be a transition period of unemployment from people going from gov jobs to private sector jobs

And millions / billions of dollars for companies to hire workers and put people to work

so it is racist to not support the lazy and clueless. I got it now you use racism to get people to pay for those that are less fortunate due to being lazy. I see those that cry racism are the one that are usually racist, like you.

that seems to be a bit unrealistic

crush the economy? I need some of the drugs you are taking. Government spending is killing the economy. maybe those that work should keep more and the freeloaders should work a lot more and government should stop spending our money on handouts for the leachesmilitary industrial leeches and illegalsillegal under the table deals that President Eisenhower warned us about. Fixed your simplistic racist nihalistic post above.. talk about being on drugs HOW ABOUT NOT SPENDING ALL THE MONEY for the largest military spending in the fucking world.... the ever growing black hole where far more of our money has dissapeared into The amount of money spent on your supposed buggaboo of welfare is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the crap your practitioners of VOO DOO DOO economics have perpetrated to their good buddies at Haliburton... Blackwater.... all the contracts let in Iraq for cost PLUS and the other deals that we did not hear a peep out of all the right wing fucknuggets who seemd to think that if Bush and his Rubber Stamp Congress wanted it.. So let it be Written.. So let it be DONE. [email] the only racist is you, since when did earning your way through life and being legal become racist? oh ya when it is against your ideals. Taxing only white people (tanning tax) or a select group of earners (The over 200k crowd)is racist but I guess you wouldn't see that since you are blinded by the koolaid from Obama.

that seems to be a bit unrealistic

that seems to be a bit unrealistic

I doubt that many people making over, say, $100k/year would change places with an unemployed/homeless/disabled/indigent person just because they didn't want to work hard. I for sure wouldn't. If taxing the rich gets much worse a homeless person on welfare might actually have a higher bring home pay. already the ones making less than 25k a year are worse off than those on welfare when you add in health care, housing and food stamps. how much longer before the handouts are better than a 50k a year job?

crush the economy? I need some of the drugs you are taking. Government spending is killing the economy. maybe those that work should keep more and the freeloaders should work a lot more and government should stop spending our money on handouts for the... bankers? at least the tarp (which I did not like) was a loan and is supposed to be paid back. the stimulus was just 800 billion in welfare and pay offs to Obama supporters with enough going to good causes so Obama could ring his own bell and claim he was doing a good thing. And Obama's is all deficit spending or increase in taxes. the military needs to be cut then

What's more telling is the amount of people who instantly jump in to defend the practice. Some of them, if not all, will continue further and bitch that they don't get more. Of course they aren't willing to give any themselves. They'll just insist that other's pay more in taxes. See... liberals equate supporting government handouts to actually caring. Ask one of them how many checks they've written or hours they've spent at a food kitchen. Voting for the wealthy to pay more in taxes helps them sleep better. Sad really. I'm a liberal and I'm one of the people paying more in taxes - a lot more, and I'm willing to pay more if the objective is good enough. Sad thing is that there is such a disparity in income between the bankers who brought us this lovely RECESSION and still walked away with $Millions in bonuses, and the poor SOB's who lost their jobs on account of the recession and have to rely on taxpayer handouts.. d don't you mean all of the people that overspent and got greedy (including the little guys that took loans they could not pay) not just the bankers?

crush the economy? I need some of the drugs you are taking. Government spending is killing the economy. maybe those that work should keep more and the freeloaders should work a lot more and government should stop spending our money on handouts for the... bankers? at least the tarp (which I did not like) was a loan and is supposed to be paid back. the stimulus was just 800 billion in welfare and pay offs to Obama supporters with enough going to good causes so Obama could ring his own bell and claim he was doing a good thing. And Obama's is all deficit spending or increase in taxes. the military needs to be cut then

Thank you for advancing the discussion not a single inch. what? make people work for the food they eat and make the government stop the welfare. I think I have said more and better in one sentance than the rest of your worthless words on this entire thread.

crush the economy? I need some of the drugs you are taking. Government spending is killing the economy. maybe those that work should keep more and the freeloaders should work a lot more and government should stop spending our money on handouts for the... bankers? at least the tarp (which I did not like) was a loan and is supposed to be paid back. the stimulus was just 800 billion in welfare and pay offs to Obama supporters with enough going to good causes so Obama could ring his own bell and claim he was doing a good thing. And Obama's is all deficit spending or increase in taxes.