Jasmin

Guys might outnumber us, but have you ever stopped to think how many of you are actually dateable material, let alone the stuff of marriage quality!!!!??? For every DZ babe there are 15 guys who's idea of treating their GF right is telling her to go cook dinner, pack his rig, grab him AND his mates a beer, clean-up, be a sky-goddess and of showing footage of the 2 of them together in bed to his mates ..... you getting the picture?! Don't even get me started on hygiene....And guys, keep dreaming, this was not an invitation. Your antics might get you laid every leap year but it won't get you much more! Yes guys do outnumber girls, but act like a human being, better yet - be a gentleman, and girls will come running after you. Decent single guys are a rare occurence on many a DZ, believe it or not, they're even rarer than single DZ chicks!

Children, children....! Stop attacking each other, this is not the forum for that crap! Attack the issue! Feel free to disagree in opinion but have the virtue and patience to learn from the others' point of view. Tolerance is what stops these things from taking hold, ignorance is what propagates it. Which side are you two sitting on? To me it would appear the same....but then, I am only an ignorant non-american....

Honey, it was by its nature, a casual relationship. I'd not been with anyone else during that time, and in that sense it was a commitment of sorts. But I can honestly say (as can he) we're not talking about love! As for hitting your SO, that s*** is not on! I publicly embarassed (we were working on TV together at the time) the only guy who's ever hit me, and then ended it to boot! If you can hurt the person you love (emotionally, physically or mentally) you don't really love them.

I would count it if it was intimate. Many friends beg to differ over the definitions. I did "confess" as I wasn't sure what he would class as cheating. As for everything else, "nyet", I have no idea what to think! Its just amuing to see what people classify as cheating. I've asked this question of sooooo many people over the years, and I never get two answers the same! As for guilt, I always feel guilty: be it coz I'm eating that left over pizzia and the last choc biscuit, or coz I've spent money out drinking that I should have saved for books/uni/clothes blah blah blah. Deal with it, I say!

Firstly, if a boy cheats on me, I'd honestly prefer not to know. However, that is on the conditions that 1) its a once off, honest mistake, never going to happen again; and 2) that its not with someone i'm close too, ie best mate. In that case she and I have issues and that needs to be dealt with. If he feels some emotional bond for her, then its over. If you truly love someone, there isn't room for another....if you say you love both, then you honestly love neither.

OK, most people have stuffed up at some point in their lives, and so I wanted to ask what the average skydiver thought on this one: 1) What constitutes cheating? Is it only sex? 2) Under what circumstances MUST one confess? (and if you do confess, should you tell them who with?) 3) "What happens on the DZ, stays on the DZ..." Is this a true sentiment?

Ok firstly I'm not American and secondly I've just written a paper on the subject of H and S's treatment of their nation's citizens, so its interesting to see its still applies.... The point I want to make is that, the government exists to look after the welfare of the nation, but it should not do so at the expense of the indidivuals who make up that nation. Sadam, Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Napoleon, Khan, Malosevic etc. All propagated a terror ie fear of state enemies, external and internal, to justify the police states they imposed on their citizens: A state where another person's inuendo and implications meant a citizen could be carted off, held without trial or justice, and tortured without discernible or questioned proof. Oh hang on, isn't that exacly what is happening here? If our freedom and way of life is sacrificed because of the Septmeber 11 attacks, then we've already lost. They seek to end our way of life, our beliefs, our freedom. When we make security measures and restricions that end our freedom and rights, we concede to those attackers. Conversely, we need to agree to measures to lessen the effects the a**holes inflict on us. We need to re-work our (all countries) foreign policy. And we MUST not inflict civiilian casualties. Our attacks on the guilty must be exactly that, or we are no better than the racists, the terrorists and the murderers. In fact we'd be worse, as we would be crying out that we're the just and the noble, the inoocent and vulnerable....a hypocritical sentiment in that context... I say f*** you to Osama Bin Laden, f*** you to the cowardly terrorists. I WILL NOT LIVE IN FEAR, you are the patheitc scum of the planet and are not worth my attention. To the troops fighting the Al Queda network and Taliban fighters, God Bless.

Glad wrap, NOT cellophane, under the toilet seat but over the rim. Tiger balm in his boxers/jock shorts (aww dear, that'll deal with his "Belgian package"....) Boiled egg or dead mouse in the air vents (mousey smell lasts longer and is more deniable...) bird seeds in peanut butter in the gutters (less visible) or rims of van and along the rims of the windows. Order delivered food (get a guy to do) and make sure its of a large quantity (and price) Complain constantly about the foul odour that seems to be hanging about his place.... Order him a fat-o-gram or male stripper if you really want to go further, and comment to other jumpers that you didn't realise that *** was into prostitutues (or whatever) I've got a book on taking out revenge, its a little extreme, but definately worth the $10 I paid for it at a 2nd hand book store. I've not used it yet, I hope I never have to.... Oh and the fat-o-gram works great when his latest flame is over there....along with the toilet glad wrap and dead mouse. My noisy neighbours would play music (none could play the guitar or bongos, but they tried....ooh and they definately couldn't sing) and have parties every single night of the week (I tolerated it for about 3 months before I finally lost it, and resorted to these desperate measures). They would invite 20 stoned/drunk people back to the flat at 3am on a monday night (when I'm recovering from the weekend, have a 3500 word paper due on radiation dosimetry in 5 hours and have to be at work 80 mile away in 6 hours time...). I'm a party animal but even I have my limits..... Good luck! ps If worst comes to worst, stop cajoling and start threatening...

bugger, aussie girls love it! freudian slips and DZ loves; would make a good soap opera, yes?

For those who're uninitiated with my freudian slips: I accidently sent a message asking a friend if he had been busted for cheating ( and asking for advice) to my bf, who I was then going to visit to confess I had done exactly that with someone else....oooooooops!!! He still won't believe its someone else...the funniest bit is that the real guy (whuffo) is now dating a mate of mine (so we had to tell her too.....I then sent a msg about it by mistake to a different gf....you getting the idea?!) No, cheating is not something I've done b4. No guilty conscience about travelling or BF's: I'm not that kind of girl. I'm just naturally affectionate and friendly. As for uniforms; get off the base a little more Joe! xj

I was talking about my need for a liver transplant, NOT my sex life, thanks!!!! One would assume that would instead apply to you, Joe....being the man of the world that you are.......girls are suckers for a man in uniform..... (I am joking....about it applying to you!) ;-P

Hmm yep. 20 years spent on a Dz (17 nationals, 5 equinox boogies, 2 thai boogies, 2 bali boogies, 3 trips around US DZ's, a world meet [and a partridge in a pear tree!]) will do that to you....not that I know....

I'm a uni student (with a bloody full-time job) and 2 years back i got new (yum!) gear. A year later I thought about getting a new(er) car as it occurred to me that my rig, helmet and audible were worth about 6 or 7 times the value of my car, and when you're regularly doing 700 miles a week, thats not a good start... I went cheap and got a brand new Hyundai Accent ( small car of the year here in Oz for 2000 and again in 2001). A year later, my darling (second to my rig, of course) love of my life has done around 32,000 miles (45,000kms)! A rig, helmet, car and laptop and, after Europe, I will be in debt for the rest of my life!!! But at least I can say "I've got it", "I've driven it", "I've jumped it" and "I've been there"! Don't live life so afraid of dying that you never actually live...NO REGRETS!

Yeah Chris, I know..... If we do some organising and butt-kissing I'm sure we can get Phil to fire up the jet-ranger, as long as there are enough people. As for my lust list: *C-130 Hercy-bird *Balloons (this and chopper is closest you'll get to the feeling of a BASE jump [ie "dead" air and no forward motion]) *Choppers (esp love Bell's efforts) *Skyvan (exits) and Let (speed and comfy) *Otter (my first jump-plane) *A Beaver and a Cresco (very speedy and a nice exit without prop wash) *Nomad (noisy and slowish but still pretty cool) *C-182 (Coooooooooooold) *Caravan (fatality at Nagambie, Aust. where skydiver ripped the tail OFF the plane, not good...) LAST: Scare-a-commando AKA Aero-commander (Noisy and the prop is WAY TOO CLOSE.....jitters). I said I wouldn't jump it, couldn't get on another load for my ex's farewell jump. Landed and vowed NEVER will i EVER jump it again..... That's all I can think of off the top of my head.....

What, we need another "bring on the boobies?" ;-P Aww dear, I was just making the comment that if you're married and you've started skydiving, good luck, you're going to need it!! (Gender regardless)

4:2 (bad weather and then one hell of a day partying): 0 (but it will soon be a keg owed [and not by me!]) Tee hee hee!

Hell yes! I miss the Thai boogies, they were the bomb! 5 hercy-birds and whatever else we wanted! When is the next herc boogie?

First let me state I'm talking about skydiving NOT skydivers, thanks! Let, nomad, balloon, skyvan, king air, otter, beaver, chopper, caravan etc What does it for you? Me, I like the skyvan for novelty and the let for speed, but give me a ride to height in a bell jet/long-ranger anyday(chopper)!

Two things: 1) I used to have that problem: it could be packing technique or it could actually be your gear. Mine was packing more than anything else... 2) I 've posted a similar photo in Skydiving talk back-caption contest, very very similar! Slider is further up though......

Go to "RE:Dating a skydiver" forum and you'll get my line of thinking! Gotta try everything at least once, twice is better, as you know what you're in for, and that IS scary! Used to whitewater kayak, abseil, freeclimb and I still snowboard. Been jet-boating, zorbing and luging. Tried BASE a few times and I'm organising a big-way tube exit record at my DZ, hopefully before I leave for Europe. Oh and that was my 5th bungy jump that day! (It was free!) Yes, i'm insane, but ain't it fun?!!

Awwww Chris, there's a really good way to make sure she doesn't call it off: don't show her your credit card bills, don't let her come out to the DZ, never answer your mobile at the DZ, don't let her know you're doing a 2-way (or was it two-some?! [joke]) with some girl next Sunday, don't let her know about the next DZ bbq/drinking night, and DEFINATELY don't tell her that the only diamond you're interested in is one that'll only cost you a jump ticket!!! But then she'd probably just cry neglect at you!! Good luck, you're going to need it if you intend on going to the nationals and any other boogie between now and then!!! ;-P

On that note: I laugh when I hear many skydivers voice their P.O.V. on BASE jumpers (self included) it sounds exactly the same as whuffos' P.O.V. on skydivers! "Why would anybody want to do that?" "I like my feet on the ground!?" "Oh that's too dangerous!" If you wanna do it, fine. Just make sure you know what you're doing, cause theres a good chance you're going to f*** up bad (or someone else near you will) sooner rather than later. And that stands for BASE-jumping, grade 4+ kayaking, hot-line abseiling, hook turns, freeflying/big way RW without a helmet, and riding a motorbike. Be considerate, minimise the effects on others!

Well you've already read my view on what W.I.F.E. seems to stand for for so many men! (For those who're uninitiated, have a read of my posts). I think its the same as women who go to university. Its very easy for people who're married, or who have been seeing each other for a long time, to get compacent and comfortable, and so they stop growing. When their wife starts doing something that changes the dynamics of their relationship, many can't handle it because they don't want to change. That said, unless a whuffo has a serious weekend obsession it just doesn't work. It may take a few weeks, it may take a few years, but it will happen!

Totally agree, you see these people who've lived in the same place all their lives and the highlight of their year is when they get the latest Macey's catalogue in the mail. I can't help but look at them and think, "you're dead already!" Go big all, and never be so afraid of giving something a go that you miss out....

Hell yes! Tee hee hee, love 'ya Joe! But I know what you mean, I skydive and snowboard. I used to abseil heaps, and I've even had a go at BASE. What's the point in life if you're so scared of dying you never really live?!