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Agreed..but in the case of a parachute i believe by being able to create a high angle of attack and slowly starting my turn and increasing the rate of turn thoughout rotation to final inducing energy into the harness which which i use to hold the canopy in a dive longer by harness weight shift combined with double fronts flying the canopy deeper into the dive as i ease up on one riser increasing my rate of turn and angle of attack into the vertical and as my canopy recovers into full flight i try to remain as forward in my harness as poss[chess strap losened!]to take advantage of the energy created in the harness during the recovery phase[i.e try and get my c of g as forward of the wing as poss to transfer that energy into flight] i find the this technique has worked the best for me in terms of high speed approaches. Besides i think at the end of the day its whatever works best for any pilot under any wing. I note that you're flying a jvx,which i guess is a very different animal from the canopy that i'm flying .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

Oh sorry dudebut while we're on topic what about using everything you got,risers and harness again carving technique into the vertical maximising your c of g to your advantage thoughout rotation. Apologies in advance .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

Though,for me starting my downwind leg in braked flight,greatly,imo reduces the front riser pressure of my canopy. This technique,allows me to pull my dive loops[both]down to nipple level,which inturn permits me to progressively "ease up" on a singular riser[dependent on direction to final]thoughout my desired degree of rotation,i ease up on the L/R front as my canopy accelerates into the"vertical"phase of its dive as i come onto heading.[usually into wind and into the pit] For me,and i believe because of the reduced front riser pressure permited by a braked approach of this ,allows me to go deeper with double fronts at the begining of my rotation,i feel my canopy builds up more speed through the carve and into the vertical phase of its dive than i could achieve with a full flight approach to rotation to final so i guess i,m just plain old gay,i mean using the planet as a relative object .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

129 riser pressure is immense... My personal cf2 129 flys beautifly,light riser pressure the works. Maybe w/l or the canopy's lineset is a factor affecting riser pressue,or maybe you wanna start pumping that iron .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

If i wanted to kill terrorists, muslim, or otherwise; i would like to do it with my bare hands. But the problem is, it takes balls to do that, and the last time i looked, mine were right where they should be; right between my legs. i don't want a gun..... .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

Were you landing cross wind or possibly in turbulent conditions. Assuming your not unbalanced in your harness. I find my crossfire is very sensative to weight shifts more so at speed. I have the same canopy and the only time i need to add extra imput,left/right toggle,is when landing cross wind or landing in turbulent conditions. Keeping the wing flying straight and level! .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

Here you go....mines mainly yellow .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

Here here. Failing that[jedei] a cf2.[my personal favourite]

All this mention of line sets being the problem with the crossfire1. A friend of mine owns a cf1 that was a recall, it came back from the factory with a small patch sewn to the trailing edge of the centre cell anyone know what the deal was there? Patch approx 2"x4"[from memory] i don't know if the lineset was changed tho,regarding this canopy. .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

Hi found myself in similiar situation to yourself,though i will add only a six month lay off not 2yrs as you stated.. I to was shitting myself..not about the freefall aspect though,more about the canopy i jump,which prior to my layoff i was extremely current with.. Since getting back in the saddle i've returned to basics and havn't experienced any problems flying the canopy''i can still land the thing where i want on my feet with nice tippy toe soft landings,though my approaches err very much on the conservative side at the mo. Given your situation/experience,time out etc,imo i think it would be wise to err even more so on the side of caution.. I.E.Jump student kit for awhile,even don a radio[there's no shame in it]and maybe do your first few jumps with an instructor.. I like your idea of buying new kit[sounds like v.nice top shelf stuff]but look at it as something to work towards jumping and don't be in a hurry[small is fast and unforgiving and it's a long wait for an ambulance] Seriously downsize slowly to your dream rig using borrowed/rental kit under supervision/instruction.. Enjoy...i rememember a 280 Manta/Maverick being fun..infact there all fun some are just faster and speed kills... Take care and your time lifes a mission not race .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

Hi, i rememember reading something awhile ago regarding what canopy type/WL could be jumped in Holland. Though[correct me if i'm wrong]it was solely based on jump numbers..which i tend to disagree with as i believe you can still be a crap canopy pilot with say 1000jumps and by equal measure could well be a v.competent pilot with significately lower numbers. It [the Dutch system]could be enforce[the hate word again,sorry]for those who are not willing to progress through a structured system of canopy control progression.. Hope my drivel makes sense .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

Scientific analyis of a given situtation is all well and good..but skydiving contains too many variables for any analyis to yield useful re-world results. i.e.I think it's wrong to pigeon hole people,everyones different. Say just because someones over 50yrs of age doesn't mean they have crap reflexes or poor judgement,same goes for people under say 25yrs of age or under..Just because someone has a phd in say astro physic's doesn't automatically meen they've got one iota of common sense.. Skydiving to me is a simple case of risk management and with the best will in the world we'll[i if you like]will never prevent accidents,minor or major from happenning,but we can put in place as a system like an enforced[don't like that word]say under observation/mentorred version of Billvons skill check list with regards to canopy control.. Supervised education hopefully would reduce the chances/risk of people choosing to wear rose coloured spectacles and becoming victims of there ego with regards to canopy selection or simply getting in over theyre heads to soon with disciplines such as swooping...it will imo not illiminate accidents but a well thought out training system with regards to canopy control could go some way to reducing perfectly good canopy accidents which i think can only be a good thing.. Note.. this ain't directed at anyone .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

Nathan i'm not about to dis your opinions,you're obviously v.intelligent..i mean you use words that i can't spell let alone understand...but i.5oe jumps or whatever definately means jack to me so i'm going to break my golden rule and ASS-U-ME that you A. Arn't/Ain't[for peoples like me''pun''] v.experienced.. B. Though obliviously are intelligent...lack common sense..something which isn't at all common.. C.Take up politics. .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

As you can imagine,probably no-one on this forum knows your ability under canopy,but at 100jumps IMO it's unlikely that you're ready to go to an eliptical planform.. However,i think it would be wise to speak with instructors/known canopy pilots at your DZ and have them assess your canopy piloting skills plus,if possible get quality canopy control coaching before considerring a downsize or a change in planform. Take care,love thy canopy..just my two pence. edited cos i can't spell .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

You mean not every skydiver should know that this is a risky sport - maybe the least forgiving of all sports - and that high performance landings tops the list...?!? Mate,like me[ASSUMING your profile is correct]you're at relative newbie and for the love of DARWIN sometimes [in my opinion]it just pays to shut up and listen. .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

Mate....ASSUME=ASS-U-ME..please refrain from assuming anything esp when giving advice .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

The Chuteshop SA ZP150 is a square very similar and often compared to a PD Sabre.[but must add i've never jumped a sabre] The ZP is now called/replaced by a canopy named the 'EXE' But your right in saying it is trimmed steeper than the Safire. The safire imo was superior when i compared it to the ZP.. Safire=better glide,more powerful flare but imo on finals no faster than the ZP. ZP150=quicker in turns and more 'ground hungry' than the safire[maybe because the ZP's toggle stroke is shorter than that of the safires.re turns] Would recommend a safire over a chuteshop ZP .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

Totally agree with what your saying!But the email reads to me like only canopies[safires/omegas]manufactured by PA were affected by sizing,thats why i'm trying contact Joris to try and get some confirmation on whether or not the CIMSA made canopies were originally measured by the same method as PA uses,and if thats the case then well know for sure if all safires/omegas have sizing issues when compared to canopies made by PD[so far without success as my emails keep getting bounced back]. Don't really buy into it looks smaller when compared to my'X'arguement when comparing CIMSA[spanish made safires/omegas] Side note on perceptions though probably not relevent,but i demoed a cimsa made safire and IMO it flew larger than my regular canopy.i.eChuteshop SA ZP150 vs Safire139 .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

Don't want to sound like a canopy nazi i'm notbut 250 jumps total isn't alot when what your considerring what is effectively a double downsize,going elliptical and smaller at the same time.Maybe you should[its up to you]keep the 150 sabre a while longer and if your thinking about 'swooping' i think you'll be suprized at what's possible with a sabre.

Apples to apples.Pears to pears .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

it flew and responded way way way faster then my Spectre It would do it's a totally different animal to a spectre. I've emailed Joris who works for icarus canopies in spain to see if he can shed some straight from the horses mouth info on how the CIMSA made safire 1's were measured..as the original icarus email only makes reference to the safires made by Precision in the US. .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

The reason for the difference is due to Precision measuring their canopies differently. Icarus have always measured the same as PD however when we originally commenced in the USA, Precision were building parachutes for us under license and were doing it using their size equations and not Icarus/PD's. Thats my point i thought it was only the canopies that were made by Precision USA that were affected by sizing issues and not the ones made by CIMSA Barcelona . .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

Can't confirm or deny...but i'm pretty sure if my source's are correctthat the european made safires didn't have any sizing issues. edited to add:You've got me thinking so i'm chasing it up .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

Just a side note.RE. Safires made in the CIMSA factory Spain were i believe measured the same as PD and it was only the Safires made by PA that were measured differently. .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.

QuoteSo technically this pic doesn't meet the requirements for this thread as it isn't a swoop anymore... Nah,of course it qualifies,in fact any pic with an XF2 in it qualifies IMO .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER.