BikerBabe

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA omg this is the funniest thing i've ever seen on this forum, HANDS DOWN. According to your "logic", here's another scenario: Random SC posters: BikerBabe must hate ice cream. Me: Why do people insist on thinking that I hate ice cream? You: wow, you hate ice cream! How unamerican of you! Me: W.T.F? Where did i say i hated ice cream? Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

ahem. and Marg very clearly answered the "no outrage" question...shall i re-quote her post as well? Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

of course. Olbermann and Matthews fill the same niche for the left that Limbaugh and Hannity fill for the right. It's just that Hannity's *style* is so offputting. I really don't understand why his guests allow themselves to be bullied like that. I swear if i was on that show i would just stop talking every time he interrupted me and let the gasbag deflate a bit. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

I challenge you to quote me saying that. I have NEVER said that, no matter what you may be trying to read into my words. for heaven's sake, I've BEEN to SERE! I know what the hell it is and isn't for. Now stop trying to put words in my mouth. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

huh? do you even read my posts? My claim is the exact same one that Marg is making....she just happened to be here while I was away eating dinner. Every post i've made has asked the same question. Why do people insist on thinking that SERE is a place we go to learn how to torture? It's not. It's a place we go to learn how to resist torture. It's a rather large difference. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

apparently the moral high ground isn't a "real objection". Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

come on, i'm not taking your bait. Ask Senator McCain or any other of our troops who have been POWs. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

which calls into question the efficacy of the torture, eh? Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoqmH49VBC0 start at about 1:50 for the pertinent stuff. Recall some facts. 1. He was a SEAL. 2. SEALS take SERE school. 3. SEALS also have a portion of their training where they are in a pool and must submit to DROWNING...so i would think if anyone knows what drowning is like...it's probably a SEAL. so when a former SEAL says waterboarding is torture, it is DROWNING....do you just not care? because he disagrees with Dick Cheney? Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

so many uninformed things in this post... 1. See nerdgirl's post on page 6 of the "cheney emerges" thread. it provides a link to a top FBI interrogator's testimony before the senate judiciary committee. Oh here...just go to the link: http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=3842&wit_id=7906 2. why do people seem to think that SERE's purpose is to train our own soldiers how to torture? (or in this case, SERE instructor training). Oh, and by the way if you can't see Mr. Holder's BLATANT self-contradiction in his statement, you need to go back to logic 101. Why use waterboarding to train them to resist torture techniques if waterboarding isn't torture? Yes. Yes. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

unfortunately, the words "yes" and "no" do not appear to be included in many folks' vocabularies. You can ask them if the Pope is Catholic and they will find some way to equivocate and dance around an answer. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

i wonder how many of the people that agree with you are also anti-choice (abortion) . Or pro-PATRIOT act. funny that. disclaimer: i am not commenting on gun control per se. i personally can see both sides and to be 100% honest, am on the fence. this is about the "taking away rights" argument... Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

it's just a strange law...first thought i had was "weird" Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

tiny toons "video" of the song :P try this one: http://www.retrojunk.com/details_commercial/459/ Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

oh dear. I feel obliged to post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv-KcF3Rkv8 Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

well, once you can travel around Europe more easily, may i suggest the http://www.santiago-compostela.net. (Camino de Santiago) I'm not catholic, but you don't really have to be. This has always been something i've personally wanted to do. Basically, you walk across Northern Spain (which is the most amazing and beautiful area of the country, IMHO...forget Andalucia...)relying only on the aid and hospitality of those who live along the way. If i was to give it all up, it would be the first thing i would do. Though i'll admit, i might get a little "stuck" in San Sebastian for a while Whatever you decide, do it with conviction. I could see myself giving it all up, under the right circumstances, but it couldn't be half-hearted. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

down here in san diego, heard some reports of people feeling it, but i didn't. however, the dogs were strangely restless this evening, to the point we had to put them outside so they could pace around without bothering us. They knew something was up! Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

I've had a Monte Cristo before...oh my god it's like heaven in your mouth. but the site is right...it's so amazingly, incredibly fattening that one was probably enough to fill my lifetime...lol Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

Another effective technique is to hike up your sleeves a bit so you can absorb oxygen through your skin. In fact, on naked jumps there's usually no need to breath breathe at all. Which comes in handy. LOL Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

it's not a partisan question. "Is waterboarding torture" shouldn't be answered as a dem or repub, but as a HUMAN BEING. What i find hilarious is the people who say things like this: Like John McCain? Like the countless surviving soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines who have been POWs and say with NO uncertainty that waterboarding IS torture? They would rather listen to Dick Cheney (who has never been tortured in his life, other than maybe being denied another ice cream by the white house kitchen) than these heroes who they supposedly adore and admire so much? Oh here's another great deflection of the argument: All those things you listed are actually executions, to be precise. what the fuck do they have to do with waterboarding? You clearly demonstrate that our enemies are horrible, despicable people...so why do we feel it necessary to sink to their level? nerdgirl has posted article after article, testimony after testimony, from experts, former soldiers, leaders in the field, FBI interrogators, etc and they all say in no uncertain terms that waterboarding and other forms of "enhanced interrogation techniques" (I did not have sexual relations with that woman!) DO NOT WORK, damage our international image, and make us a target for MORE terrorism. I am firmly convinced that most people on this board don't really read any of the links or evidence or sources provided. Or actually listen to people who have actually been through SERE, or waterboarded. Get over yourselves, read the evidence, and open your minds. The court of public opinion, moral decency, and human kindness is against you on this one. It's truly OK to admit you're wrong and change your mind. I won't laugh or rub it in...i'll admire you for having the balls to do it. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

get thee to a tunnel! i know that's often easier said than done, so if you can't find a tunnel, find someone who has been coached in belly flying in a tunnel (preferably by Airspeed, Fury, or someone like that) and ask them to show you. It's incredibly hard to describe in words that epiphany that comes when you do a proper leg turn for the first time... It's also incredibly difficult to describe HOW to do a proper center-point turn using your legs without standing there to show you. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

Will, read this: http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=3842&wit_id=7906 He explains very well who he is, what he does, and the circumstances in several specific cases. I think it will answer your questions. (credit nerdgirl for the link, from the "cheney emerges..." thread) Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

Wow, you guys seem to think that soldiers and airmen go through SERE training in order to learn how to torture. Am I seriously reading that correctly? Seriously? Besides myself and Amazon, who here has actually been through SERE? it's called "resistance" for a reason. You go through that portion of SERE in order to learn how to RESIST torture, plain and simple. all the political pandering and bullshit aside, that is the bottom line. Honestly, those former SERE instructors who are selling their services to the CIA saying torture works (and performing it!) should be prosecuted. For security violations, if anything. Torture is used by weak, immoral, and stupid enemies. Apparently it's OK for the US to be weak, immoral, and stupid, too. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

hehe, i remember seeing a list once called "You know you're a skydiver when..." and one of the items on the list was "you know you're a skydiver when you think DanBC, Jack Jeffries, and BJ Worth are 'famous'." Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!