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Heady Stated: This was an old trick performed by the Smoke Jumpers and how they dropped material with them too heavy/awkward/ or dangerous to strap on. A similar things is represented by the picture I have posted many times of the Jumper with the Barrel between his legs. Some HOW Duane Weber got the nickname or CB name of Worlds Greatest Jock Carrier. That CB handle could have several meanings. NOTE the picture the artist drew for one of the books. Tieing the load with a long rope to his waist. It was elementary sketching of the descripton Tina gave. I wonder what an artist knowledgeable of jumping - Viet Nam and Forestry would depict with the wording and description coming from Tina who was the ONLY one to see this procedure on the plane. Picture Attached and NOTE this was used by PaperLegs Petersen for Smoke Jumping and the utilized during the Intermountain Communciations Operation (1962 to 1972). That method was very meaningful to those who needed to get awkard equipment on the ground with them. Smoke Jumpers - it got the necessary firefighting equipment they had to hit the ground with them to survive - certain tools and fluids and food. They could not depend on a separate drop to get these item on the ground with them. Same with a war when the snipers abound - that equipment got to the ground in a separate place and it was trouble. This is the photo in the magazine Duane Weber left in a safe deposit box unknown to his widow until after his death. He confessed to the crime. P.S. HAS anyone let the FBI know I have more reliable DNA than they obtained in 1996 from items handled multiple time by multiple individuals and cleaned many times....some items he may not have ever touched and they had been handled by mulitple individual since then. My last spouse used some of the tools. What did they expect me to have in my possession 8 yrs after he died. I remarried. I moved, Cleaning freak. Sold things. Gave things away. Yet, they want more DN from Marlas family - LD was too young to be Cooper and wrong color hair and eyes. Look at these 2 pics - on of LD and then one of Weber taken in 1977 - our 1st Xmas together. He no longer died his hair and the position I took the pic from - well, you guys look at the pic of LD and this pic of WEBER with the same position. NOTE how the position changes the appearance. I no longer can put 2 pics side by side but one of you might want to do this for me - both side by side on on shot. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jo Asked: Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public? Georger Replied: Jo's long Explanation: Somewhere along the line - I was told N.W. Airlines owned any properties connected from their side - like the communications from the crew - why you find some of that redacted....blank spots is what I call them. N.W. Airline had to approve anything released to the media - such as recordings or transcripts. They had to protect themselves from Lawsuits. N.W. demanded this. Power and Money buys a lot of things. In the first few yrs the only person I spoke with was Himmelsbach. Have you ever talked to him? It was prior to 2008 so I have to go to the paper files and YOU do not want to see them - suitcases full and all in binders from 1996 until 2007. Simple Simon me was hoping Cooper's voice could be heard and I wanted to know about the things Cooper said to Tina. I wanted to know what they talked about for 3 hours. When I saw the picture of Tina - it just got me. My daughter was 15 when I met Duane. The resembalance of how Tina looked in her pictures and how my own daughter looked in 1976 was uncanny. Now you know why I dug so deep and so hard and why I have always been so protective of Tina. I had to hold off Galen Cook for yrs as I knew Tina's location and phone number in 2003 and receive verification of that in 2004. Well, you KNOW what happened when he and Bruce did find her - disgusting and very untasteful. I did what I could to warn her and her family when Bruce was going to see her brother. Galen had the brazen gall to send me the pictures Bruce took of her. Those two have nicknames -Sneaky SNAKE & WEASEL! He might be your best friend, but I assure you both Galen and Bruce will cut your throat if you turn your back on them. Galen LOVES to bait people with FALSE information - because he is trying to extract the information he wants from them or others. He will turn around and use the info as his own and for his own purpose. Ask him why Jo calls him Glacier Boy (he didn't know I knew about that). He used me many many times and would never have gotten to the point he did without the information he extracted from me. I never understood how or why the FBI allowed him to have access to things - BECAUSE he was an attorney. Well, the FBI never dealt with the likes of Cook - I have a letter and emails that prove he is a SNEAKY damn snake! Cook did NOT even have a suspect until he started talking to me. His suspect resulted from a phone call to a radio station 4 yrs after he had been pumping me for information. Obviously Mr. H didn't talk to Cook, now I guess he is his buddy! If you don't believe my story about Galen - I welcome you to my files! Sneaky Snake in the Grass! Oft Track: Sorry! Back to the Transcripts! NO one has the unredacted other than N.W. They were the property of N.W. I wish I could remember who told me this. Himmelbach or Doug. Had to be one of them. I just wanted to know what transpired between Tina and Cooper! Word or phrases. She would only tell me "He was a very sad man". I have made it a point to not interfer with her life, but I want her to see the Jefferson file picture and the before and afters! It takes everything in me to refrain from just dropping them in the mail on a large post card. I just can't do that - I don't know how much she really remembers anymore - she was so young and this was so tramatic for her. The only pictures she saw was what was in the media - if she even saw those. Duane was 47 in 1971 and the description of Tina and Florence are the most reliable...but, it has been lots of year - too many yrs. The pursing motion Cooper made with his mouth - why Rose could not get the mouth right and that make the chin off - plus in that photo Duane had his head titled. This damn prison file come to the table 18 yrs after I contact the FBI - OBVIOUSLY the FBI did NOT show her that photo - especially since it was buried under John "Dusty' Collins and Carr didn't post it - I begged for it - ALL I got was a name and number with Duane L. Weber on it with NO pictures. IF the FBI did NOT show Tina that picture in 1996 - WHY? What Tina wrote on those notes you or Shutter made available to me.....the verbage and the sing song - Duane was watching her write those notes...and I think in his mind when he was dieing he was remember her and how badly he now felt for traumatizing her so badly. He was a good stepfather to my daughter and yet another wife could do NOTHING but screech horrible things about Weber. Duane must have been a Jeykell and Hyde depending on who he was with! Tina in our one conversation told me "Cooper was a VERY SAD man". He was sad - he failed his family, he failed at everything and he found out he had the kidney disease his mother died of. He didn't have a life - he had nothing to live for. He had spent most of his adult life in prison. At that point he didn't care if he died. I think it was sheer luck he did survive. I know he had a bad side as I saw it a few times - but he did finally find himself....how many people he hurt to get to that point I will probably never know. I miss him, but I am not the only one - other lives he touched remember him well and not badly. I hope Tina knows he did change - he did become the man he should have been...not perfect, but he was never really a bad man. He could scare the hell out of you, but he could never hurt anyone. I think Duane got the teeth knocked out by BOXING. He mentioned that he Boxed, but I just didn't believe him - he just did NOT come across as a boxer. Now I know where he learned to BOX and when. Now I believe prison medical records would have proven 19 yrs ago when they were still available that he had missing front teeth in 1966. How CONVENIENT for the FBI to SIT on the Jefferson pics for 17 yrs! Frankly I think THE FBI knew who Cooper was - if NOT it was some of the worse dectective work they ever did. TWO FBI agents in Missouri went to Jefferson because that is where the VERY first lead came out of. Carr could NOT find the papers regarding this - Seattle knew there was a enquiry sent to Ms, but no follow-up papers. Do you find anything ODD about that - WELL, I do. Where was N.W. located! If you put ALL of the mistakes together his spells - cover-up. DID that many agents over the last 41 yrs screw-up that badly? Leads over the yrs - they pointed right at Weber/Collins and the FBI just ignored them. Leads came out of N.Orleans and again they couldn't find the man. Protect and Do no Harm changed Duane from a criminal to a man of character - he felt he had value for the 1st time in his life. Did he become a model citizen - hell, no! But he did become a better person! He did try to atone for what he did, but unwilling to spend what was left of his life in a prison...he chose to do the BIG ONE or Die. All the FBI had to do was check to see who the person was they guys were ratting on and Cooper would have spent the rest of his life in prison. Who was John Collins? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

That was the yr after my husband died - I am going to check my communications for 2008 and see if anyone I spoke with could be suspect. When a woman BEGS - some people get soft hearted. Do you think it was Carr? Had all of the transcripts been made available to anyone outside of the FBI at that time? I never knew who Snowmman was but he had a lot of information? Are you sure it was NOT publicized some place before and it was not Sluggo? Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Hopefully if Blevins stands down I can reveal some of the other reseach - I have sat on for so many yrs. Now we are moving slower and NOT having to compete with the promoter of a book. I am promoting NOTHING! All I want is the truth and after 40 yrs it is time the truth about this case was made public...be it Duane was Cooper or NOT. NO company or entity should be allowed to cover up a crime in any way to protect anyone other than a victim from harm. NW was covering their ass. There is NO excuse in covering up information which could help the authorities solve the crime. You do the crime - you do the time. Just why the HELL did Weber pick me to confess to? One of his wives wanted to hang him by his balls and the other imbied a little too much. Pretty difficult for a man to spend 25 yrs of his life covering his tracks...and then confess when he knows death is knocking at the door. WHY ME! NOTE: N.W. has always been relative silent on Cooper! Although some have suspected the motive, it was taboo to discuss it...what a difference 40 yrs makes! You guys have actually been able to make over 20 posts without a media monger monopolizing the thread with useless repetitive and promotional posts. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

WOW! You guys are really crunching the numbers aren't you? If Blevins stays OUT of the WAY maybe U guys can get some WORK done. I have NO idea what PI is so someone help me out here. If you are referring to the data collect at PDX - that is GONE! Along the way I communicated with a man who was present at that time in 1971 - his information has been buried for yrs in my files. The transcripts or whatever they were called no LONGER existed in their files. He indicated he thought N.W. had them. I remember commenting this was ODD....that on such a high profile incident they didn't keep a copies or transcripts. He had been contacted by others in the past regarding this. I want to say it was in 2001 when I went public. A lot of people tried to help me get information at that time and I was still TRYING to work with the FBI. It was useless. I kept emails, but NOT recordings of all phone conversations - so I do NOT even know were to look but 2001 is the time frame. I remember talking to the man - but, I assure you I would NOT have known how to contact him unless someone gave me the source and a name. I still have my phone record for that time frame back when they listed the place called and the phone number and the minutes. I frankly had forgotten about this! This all is beginning to SOUND like a cover-up, but WHY? You guys are getting the same run-around I did and anyone working on my behalf did. In the phone conversation above - I was also informed N.W. had them & N.W. was concerned about lawsuits. One researcher PHYSICALLY went into military records to obtain information - he went where NO man has gone before (now that sounds like a line from a movie)! THIS is how the Army Records (which the FBI denied existed) were found. Actual details the FBI refused to expose. Details that could NOT be given to me in writing, but which I found later thur the brother were actually true. Much of what I have NO LONGER exists anywhere - such as the McNeil files. I believe you can access a summary page, but NOT the actual file, Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

If it is the ORIGINAL one - how come my NO is written on IT!. You did NOT get that map with the NO on it from Sluggo. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Things have got so confusing about who said what on this thread so I do NOT know who made the statement above, but I agree! I think WE can all ditto that! I may be Crazy, Delusional and Off my Rocker, but Blevins need containment....keeps altering facts and takes liberaties, twists and turns till no one knows who said what and when. Just Jo - I only know what Duane told me and what I learned about his past, the people I met and what he showed me. The technical stuff - I have to walk away from. Every once in awhile you guys need to remind me and to simplify the things you are discussing. NONE of this would get so confusing if Blevins would JUST SHUT UP! He has gotten so many posters either banned or put on vacation one would come to believe he makes complaint to the DZ. He is the soul source of confusion and he only has ONE object in mind - to sell his book. If the REAL Cooper is made known - his book is trash and he know this! How does he have enough time to make all of these posts and work a full time job or two? Does he ever sleep or is this his job? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I'm going to bed! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

He said he could see VANCOUVER! _ "Rataczak told me that there was some turbulence earlier in the flight..............and some icing. But as the plane neared Vancouver/Portland the clouds were broken and he spotted Vancouver coming up ahead. He thinks Cooper saw it also." (researcher) Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

map22jpg - that is SLUGGO's map he was trying to put Cooper in the Orchards area - that map was doctored to a certain degree and not the official map used by the FBI or the search people. THAT map puts the Plane West of Portland and going right over one of the most densely populated area with lots of small homes. The plane was EAST of Portland or the Pilot lied to me or I completely misunderstood him many yrs ago in a conversation. He told me he could see Vancover to his right. at one point. Even Himmelsbach mentioned East of Portland. The eastern section was NOT over prime populations - there were lots of scattered subdivision and homes there in 1971, but not the dense population the map you are using takes the plane over. I have argued this before - but was never heard and if I was I was ignored. There are too many unofficial map and that map22jpg is NOT one of the original maps. It was a map created by Sluggo before he came to visit me...have to check the thread to see when that was - I have forgotten when it was, but it was after my husband died in 2007. That map did NOT exist until Sluggo created it! How the hell did that end up replacing the maps used by the authorities and what map did the damn authorities use. I still have all of the maps Sluggo brought to me and some I cannot figure out - I know he was trying to put Cooper in the Orchards area to appease me, but my trip in 2010 put some of that behind me. When I went out in 2010 I was follow the way Duane went and taking my time - and things had changed with all of the developement. I rented the car and then went to THE DALLES and took the trip back in time from that point. I made side trip to Goldendal to a historical library there and spent 2 nights there - fell in love with the place and I would go back in a moment. Good peaceful place to live in, but was told the winters are terrible. Back to The Dalles and then trying to figure out were that bridge (the bridge of the GODs) was how we crossed over to WA on - ONE that JT knew exactly what it was but told me there was NOT bridge there. You guys know he did this - it is right here in this thread. I found my bridge and one that I described very well and JT the expert on site couldn't get it. I was bound and determine to prove to myself I was NOT crazy or imagining all of this shit. OH HELL this is frustrating and I am getting NO where! HAVE TO GO TO BED! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The map you are using was constructed by Sluggo. That is his points and the one he sent to me - note the NO on it. Where is the map the FBI used for the points in 1971 to decide where to look for Cooper? An official map by the airlines - the first one used needs to be made public and it would explain WHY they were looking in the area they did. The skyjacker had a marker he could have seen even thru the clouds - a haze. A light one could see for MILES. I thought it interesting Duane mentioned this light and this to me on that trip. He was talking about a light on a dam, but we did NOT go that far north on that day. I would presume if Cooper was using that as a marker - providing he was able to see it on Nov 24, 1971. I believe he was able to make it out and then he jumped. If the wind factors would have caused a drift to the East - it might put Cooper in the very areas he took me and told me about. There were 'sitings by witnesses' just West of Mt. St. Helens and then West of this Dam I am referring to. There were forestry rails and an old logging bridge there (this I learned for a woman who befriended me on the 2001 trip). I just could not believe he would have landed that far North or that far East if the media reports I had read where correct. The media report centered on Lake Merwin. Yet, Duane mentioned the Grist mill and an old cemetery near lake Merwin on our trip. ALL of this make sense some of the time and some of the time it makes NO sense at all. and all other kinds of emotions. Totally confused! I am going to go back and look at the blue in the map Shutter mentioned. Forgot that - then I will take the damn medication. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Quote sorry to be late - Exactly as per yours above. The reference (pdf) can be found here: http://www.nwahistory.org/newsletter/12_fall_newsletter_web.pdf Ref #2: "_ "Rat reported icing and turbulence .... he described the flight as 'rough at times' saying he and Scott 'had their hands full through the Washington part of the flight' ..." (researcher) _ "Rataczak told me that there was some turbulence earlier in the flight..............and some icing. But as the plane neared Vancouver/Portland the clouds were broken and he spotted Vancouver coming up ahead. He thinks Cooper saw it also." (researcher) Ref #3: "... _ "... we had two flights come in that day, one in the morning and one in the afternoon around 4:00pm. The one in the AM encountered rain and a little turbulence but the one at 4:00pm radioed and said he was in severe turbulence and hard rain and icing, he almost turned around and went back, but he came in and landed. He was very glad to be on the ground and his face said it all .... that was at 4:00 oclock. I dont remember any more storm activity that day and I finally went home about midnight after we had been monitoring the hijacking just west of us at Portland, but we did listen to some of the hijacking chatter that evening. As for ......." (airport manager) Ref #4: " ... I would not doubt this. The 8pm forecast for Portland says broken at 2700' base and overcast at 5000' base. This means that, looking up from some position at the airport, the blocking at least 4/10 of the sky (if the lower 2 layers were blocking .5 of it). It is possible a pilot could see down between clouds in different layers, as several have rerported looking somewhere other than directly at the airport--the reverse of the path used by the airport observer. And the airport observation might have been a little different by 8:15pm. 5000' layer, plus the lower layers, had to be blocking over .9 of the sky. The reports of icing and turbulence were documented at several airports ...... so Rataczak's report is consistent with the facts." (FAA meteorologist) Ref #5: "I found this news article about a talk Scott gave in 1997 to a local Aero club where he lived. (edit) It's the first news article at this search http://news.google.com/...st+pack&ie=UTF-8. " (Snowmman 2008) Ref #6: "... Tina came forward and was with us in the cabin. She reported the hijacker was preparing to jump so I called to the back about 2005 and told him we would try and stabilize the plane for him to jump. It was the turbulence and icing that caused me to call back to him. We didn't want anything happening... and we wanted him gone!" (Wm Scott 1997) Ref #7 email just received: "I went back to all of my notes from six hours of inteviewing Rataczak and we found this from our 2008 discussions: On icing: Rataczak: "We were flying through several cloud layers of drizzle between SEA and PDX. We had engines boosted up b/c of our dirty configuration. I could see icing around the cockpit windows. It was a big concern to both Capt. Scott and myself." "... Scott called back to him about 2005 to reassure him. He didn't answer at first but then finally answered. (was out testing the stairs). He said thanks and left ..." (source witheld) Great POST Georger. Thank You! Now I am going to go back and try to find the different references you gave in the post. AT least there is some clarification now at least for me. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

It is all confusing to me and it seems like everyone is saying something a little different. This is why I usually stay out of the of these issues. I feel like I should call the co-pilot for clarification, but even his story has changed over the yrs. regarding the sequence and specific of thing....per what you guys have stated in the thread. I never discussed details with him because I would not have understood them and he did try to keep his conversations with me simple. He was very aware I am a complete whuffo to planes...other than as a passenger...and what other have told me or I have read. NOW I am TOTALLY confused and due to circumstances my comprehensive capablities have declined (I do admit that). Even my mind is getting foggy on some of the things I have talked about over the yrs.... getting so I have to write down everything I plan to do on a certain date. Never needed a grocery list until the last couple of yrs - and if I don't have one with me I will invariable buy something I already have 2 or 3 of. These are NOT the GOLDEN yrs. These are the yrs one hopes they never experience. The pain, the mediations, the testing, Drs. appts, tests and worse of all is not remembering things you have done routinely for yrs...that is really frightening as my mother died after breaking her hip in a nursing home she was confined to because of alzhimers. She did not know who I was. My mother was one of 9. 3 of them died with the disease and a 4th one is on her way. I believe being involved in the forum has actually helped my retention capabilities, but they are slowly slipping away I fear. Hopefully it is just stress and of course I do NOT dare post if I have taken any medication (we all know how senseless those post have been). Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

There was nothing in the jar rusted, but it was NOT shining like the one piece he kept in the desk drawer - a thing I used to play with when I was on the phone making appointments. I sold the shiny thing at a garage sale after he died for a quarter. The man who bought it told me belonged on a parachute. The same man bought the patches - lots of parachuting patches and the only one I remember had what I would call a devil on it. I wondered why Duane had the these things - but he bought things at garage sales and expired storage sheds and auctions. I just wondered what his attachment was a to piece of chute harness...after I found out who Dan Cooper was - I knew. The things in the jar in the garage were NOT shiny if I remember correctly. I barely looked at them, but there was one coil long thing with spirals in it....377 sent me some pictures, but I never even opened the jar so judging the size was beyond me. I expect I threw the jar and its contents in the garbage - it didn't mean anything to me or look like anything the Helping Hands Mission could use. The items were NOT rusted and if I said rusted that is not what I meant. I do not remember it being shiny like the hardware piece in the desk drawer. It was obvious these items were old. I only remember 2 of the items in it - the long coily spiral thing and the loop. All I know is that he told me they were parts of a parachute, but since I had no knowledge of his past - just passed it on by as something he acquired. I did not even question WHY he wanted to keep it. That is how much something like that meant to me. Nothing in the jar was rusted...and I never took it out to examined it. After he died I got rid of lots of thing - it was stuff to me. I would compare the color of the stuff in the jar to nails - old and discolored but NOT rusty. Hope this helps. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Quote That quote is from R's recent NWA talk. I have posted the whole passage quoted above. And Bill Scott gave a talk and said the same thing only expanded it saying it was 2005 when conditions caused him to call back to Cooper and explain the turbulence and icing, and they would try to even out the plane for him to jump. Scott is *very specific*! I have to go. (run). So once again Blevins is totally wrong in his outrageous attack on Smokin99. later .. am late for a meeting already... I seen it after I posted. we were a minute apart "So once again Blevins is totally wrong in his outrageous attack on Smokin99" I agree 1000% You only have to be 100% right!

Jimmie was a parachute instructor in Pensacola (Alberta, AL is the business location). He died in a jump in Lumberton, Miss this week-end. I met him one time and briefly asked him a question, but never got back to him. He was in a truck in a parking lots and I noted the wording on the truck - this was YRS and YRS ago. He told me to come out to the area were they did the Emerald Coast Skydives. I never got to go. Should have gone and asked the divers questions, but was afraid of exposing myself to the general public - which I no longer wanted to deal with. That was my one brief meeting with this guy! Do NOT understand WHY it was 3 HOURS after the jump the sheriff was contacted. P.S. Just went over to the Blue Skies thread and read what little has been said. It would not be appropriate for Skyjack71 to horn in, but I did want to see how many had posted. Very few and the funeral is on Thursday. I will note our BillyVance had posted and BillyVance is somehow connected to Airtwardo! That was a surprise. Airwardo and BillyVance - now how did those 2 get tangled up. Airwardo is nice - Billy Vance is an ass. AT least in postings directed at me or PM'ed to me. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Been reading all the stuff about the plane dropping altituted because of icing. Witness reports indicated the plane dropped down lower just around Battleground and N of there. I found NOTHING to document this other than the word of witnesses. 4 in one location and 3 other in 3 other locations. I do not think they crew knew when Cooper exited, other than the thump and that could have been the door bouncing back up - not when he jump. If Cooper hit the air and the wind - he would have gone N of the direction the plane was going - there are too many things with the flight projectory that just does NOT match what witnesses claimed. Out of the 7 above - 3 are deceased and maybe 2 more pretty soon. Only one of these at this time is young enough and sharp enough to be heard. The Co-PILOT admits to flying dirty. Since they passed so close to Mt. St. Helen - I will ask a STUPID OLE WOMAN QUESTION. Could the temperature changes and the humidity changes from the volcano cause the plane to ice? In OTHER WORDS I have NO IDEA what I am talking about. Was the icing not early on? . Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jo States: Well, what if the jumper only had family he was separated from for yrs - remember Duane's family (the brother and sister) he had NO contact for many many yrs. Everyone else was deceased. The last time Duane saw his brother was in 1958 - Duane was already dead to John. The sister he had NOT contacted in YRS. since 1971 until he finally called her on Christmas of 1987. It was not until then he felt safe enough to call her (my opinion). She sent him some pictures of herself and a few family pictures to him thur a P.O. Box in another area. Back then we didn't have caller ID - so he was not worried about her tracing his call and he knew she would never turn him in for anything. She had his back in the past and continued this till the end. After she had her heart attack and met me in 2004 (then and only then realizing I WAS NOT the woman with him in 1971) - she sent me a letter asking me to LEAVE the PAST in the PAST. She BEGGED. The letter was a pleading one. I had told her I was not "that" woman - but, she did NOT believe me until that day in the Hospital - you could SEE the relieve in her face and then the smile! At least she finanlly knew I was not "THAT" woman. I never got to see her again. Her son took her to Tx about a yr before she died. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

R99 stated: As has been pointed out numerous times on this thread, parachute harness, packs, etc., are made out of material that endures a long time in the wild. And, of course, the 2+ pounds of metal, in the parachute gear alone, lasts a lot longer. The problems with the maps have been discussed at length here in case you didn't see them. Jo States: If what I believe to be true per things I found in my home and a large jar Duane kept in the garage - there will be NOTHING of the chute left in WA. Remember that Duane carried in his wallet a small cloth - naive me thought was a prayer cloth. Should have known better. After he died I discarded this but did tell Mr. H about it when I contacted him 1 and 1/2 yrs later after understanding what Duane had told me. He asked me what color it was and I cannot remember that any more. Perhaps in my exchanges with him by phone I made a note. I keep wanting to think it had some color to it but a faded color very very light. It was NOT something I really took note of - it was just a square of cloth more than one inch wide - maybe 1 & 1/2 inches or less. Plus the jar: 5 months before he died I was setting up for a garage sale & throwing things out. He pointed out a Jar like a gallon (whatever size they use to use in restuarants in the day) what I think at one time held pickles or mayonnaise. It had a large mouth. He instructed me not to let that jar go. When I asked him what was in it - his answer was even odder. He said it was parts to an old chute. I noted they were corroded and mentioned they would be of no value (thought if was something he had been going to sell). He was VERY firm about my making sure the jar was not taken. Well, after he died, stupid me not knowing about D.B.Cooper and that the name given on the plane was DAN Coooper - I got rid of the damn jar. All I have is my memory of what it held. It was JUNK to me. There was a thing in there that coiled in the jar - and 377 did send me a picture of something that looked like it. There was also a large ring, but I never took it out and examined it. There were some other things. but this is ALL I remember. I have always wanted to see one of those chutes and perhaps I could ID another part, but have chose NOT to contaminate my memory by doing so. If one of you guys wanted to mix up some old things from one of those chutes and put them in a jar - just to see what I pick out - go for it. I think to continue to search the area is futile - because from his being so protective of the jar - if he didn't take out everything then - he later went back and got them. His missing for all of those hours when he left me at The DALLES - where the hell did he go. I only ONE time had the key to his vehicle until we bought the station wagon in 1983. I really do NOT remember seeing the jar before until he pointed it out to me a few months before he died...so I would NOT know were it was kept. Could have been inside of the large metal locked container he kept - He did have some tax files in there as he brought ALL of that stuff into the house before he died. Prior to that he kept the box locked in the car and I do NOT know were it was for several yrs when it would have been exposed in the station wagon. He had an office in the house and another one provided by the company. Now, I remember! He brought the old tax files (1968 to 1976) into the house and put them with OUR tax file...yet I never went thru them until after he died. Those pieces of metal showed up in the jar about that same time. I expect they were in the metal file cabinet with the tax record,but NOT in a jar, until that point. I am working hard to remember every detail of the things he did that seemed NOT so normal. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

377 states: Georger replies: Jo States: Smarty Pants, You know I do NOT get into those kind of details....All I do is tell what Duane told me & showed me and my memory of these things. The technical stuff is why I came to DZ. I have snooped around in Duane's past far more efficiently than the FBI did and I lived with the man for 17 1/2 yrs. I used the things I remembered and the people I met during those yrs - to learn more about this ODD man! I questioned and talked to people the FBI could not get near. I have had my life threatened and where I have gone the FBI did NOT dare go. I was threatened by more than ONE individual - You didn't know that did you? Coming to the DZ was more than a fact finding venture. I also formed a relationship with the former wife and what family Duane had left. I learned things the FBI never mentioned - after all they would not talk to me about Duane - just one phrase "Your husband was not Cooper" - since that is how it was worded by 2 agents over the last 18 yrs I have to assume it is a reply they are supposed to give when the caller ID says it is Jo Weber. I left it up to the FBI until I caught an agent in an out and out lie in 2001. After that I did it MY WAY! The rest needs NO explanation! Many people have question the fact there are NO transcripts...ODD is not the only word. SUSPECT is another! How much was actually recorded in those days as far as communications are concerned? The notes Tina made are all written - and I will say the way she worded about Down the stairs and up the stairs - gave me GOOSE bumps. There was someone I spoke to over the yrs who voiced the Airlines being fearful of law suits - note that before the Skyjacking there was a couple of major airline accidents involving crashes and one of those was an actual bomb that exploded...a man who wanted to collect his mother's insurance - maybe that was after the 1971 incident! I forget! If before - perhaps someone needs to look at the passenger list - of those who died. Would be a great motive! I believe we studied this stuff way back in the beginning in of the thread. Most everything anyone needs about the case is in this long long thread..... Going back to bed! I got up and the COMPUTER screen had turned itself on! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I believe SafeCrack was the first person to make that observation, so make a new one! So what deductions does one make? 1. A bungling criminal who always got caught pulls of the BIG one and then goes straight or NOT! 2. Was it a group or one man. More than one survivor and it is no secret anymore. 3. If there were 2 individuals - one survived and one died or they were so closely connected they would put down their life for the other. 4. Cooper was the soul perpetrator and he died in the act. The money on the bank of the river. I was with Duane when he went to the river at 3 locations where he had an opportunity to plant money or evidence. There was also the crossing of the river earlier that day over to OR from the hwy - to St Helen, OR- not in Vancouver as JT tried to claim I said. It was on the return trip back to OR and the HWY from the little side trip that Duane threw a package (which he said was a candy wrapper - about the size of a Hersey BAR out of the window. It was a long narrow iron bridge...if that one was money it would have sank or washed out to sea. A candy wrapper would have got caught in the wind...what ever he threw was flat and solid. For some stupid REASON JT claimed I was talking about the bridge in Vancouver. I argued with him till I was blue in the face that he was NOT understanding anything I was trying to say...and when I talked to him IT WAS BEFORE I WENT TO WA IN 2001 and when I got HOME I called him and told him where to go. There was 2 iron bridges in 1979. You Will NEVER Know If You Don't Know NOW! Oh, Well soon it won't make any difference what JT said or says or what anyone else Says of Does! Goon Night! VERY VERY TIRED! P.S. first time I ever explained in detail the package thrown out when we crossed the river far far NORTH of Vancover. I have played that memory out in my mind many times - because a candy wrapper did NOT fit the motion of the package - If it was a Hershey Bar wrapper - it damn sure had something in it because a flat candy wrapper would have got caught up in the wind of the car. All I caught was a glimpse of it, but the memory says it did not float or swirl in the air drifts from the car and it was flat. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Wish I could have seen the video. The only way I get to watch any of those is if someone puts them on a DVD and sends them to me. I have a little 9inch player for DVD's. I bought it so I could see the clips people sent me. My old VCR can't be played with the converter box on my old TV. Until the Converter boxes came out I could watch tapes on it. My budget which I am way over on right now because of car repairs and medication - has NO stretching room in it for cable or any of that stuff I wouldn't be able to use anyway. Hard enough just to use the converter remote and the TV remote. I have had a REAL bad day. Today I have a temperature and my glands are swollen - pretty miserable. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Since the THREAD is at a stand still this means things are happening - football and baseball and hopefully the conclusion of the D.B. Cooper saga. I know I have been hitting the media hard and heavy - none of you know what I have been doing. Unlike Marla or Blevins or Galen - I needed more, before I made the plunge. I had read all the wannabe stuff and found they rode on the coat-tails of the story I told to the FBI in 1996 and until 2001, but I was not heard. How skillful the FBI and the Government were in evading the obvious, but perhaps I know why they did so. The government would need to cover its own ass - because of the association Duane had with key individuals in an operation...like the comic character there was another side to Weber - one that even I would never know. Perhaps he had multiple personalities also...but I fell in love with the only one I knew. Would I or could I have loved the other man I have learned so much about? His life and our life depended on his keeping secrets! Of course there will always be that doubt in my mind about WHY he married me. His alias was my name and why he quizzed me so much about the family names on that 1st meeting in Atlanta, Ga. When he left Colorado in 1980 headed to supposedly Alabama - where I did not even know his location for 2 months - was he just going to do a disappearing act one last time. Who did he see and who did he talk to - was his very existance as a free man depending on what I did not comprehend or might find out about Cooper when the media frenzy was going on about the money find? He knew he had told me TOO MUCH on the trip to WA in 1979 and what would have happend to me had I been able to make the connections in 1980. How many other individuals would Duane's past have affected? Yet, he came back for me and for my daughter and in the end he tried to tell me what I would need to know. He died believing his secret would die with him - when I did not grasp what he was telling me....because I never found what he had left and when I did it was too late - I had discarded so much. I moved on with my life, but it was short lived. A happen chance conversation with a suitor was what led me to the past of Weber. What would my life have been like had I never have known who he really was? I believe from the things he tried to tell me that last yr of his life he wanted his secret known. He left clues, but I had no knowledge of the crime other than the brief reading of the crime in 1971 and then the money find in 1980. Will anyone ever listen or believe me? The only reason the FBI would need to cover it up would be if there was other involvements - or activities other than Duane being a common criminal. Galen Cook was involved with the UNIONS and remember he was the first interested person to contact me! Perhaps his job if this is true - was to divert me...and to divert others. How many suspects did Galen have? Galen was pushy with me and perhaps only trying to find out how much I knew. NOW, since he is involved - that makes his actions very suspect. NO one - not the FBI, the government nor Cook knew some guys on the internet would provide me with the things that made it all possible. Perhaps Cook involvment with the case has been a diversion for a purpose. Yet, Cook is still pushing his suspect - an unlikely suspect or is he just feeding off of the frenzy to solve this thing. Perhaps he just got involved and wanted to make a name for himself. I still have all the emails I exchanged with Cook - so I can prove he used me and diverted the information to his suspect. He was coercive in his phone call to me yrs ago - using his attorney cross examination tactics. That only made me mad and more determined. He has been quoted as having stated he had too much invested in this to let it go. So he waits until Jo is pushing the end stage of her life - then he can make anyone he wants to be Cooper other than Weber. It is all about the cause! The revealment of WEBER being Cooper would possibly sully too many reputations or make the authorities look bad. There is one other solution! Weber just a common criminal who actual beat the system or was there actually more to it. You'll Never Know if YOU Don't Know Now! The ending has not been written, yet. The authorities are the ones who determine the ENDING! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jo States: I agreed that is one thing that has bothered me for some time - the new system is confusing to some, because the poster does NOT take the time to read thru and address the post. NOW, for what I did tonight! I found a site I feel was started by and for Galen Cook, but it is what is on the site - things I didn't know or if they were made available before I didn't know how to down load the items to read. The actual notes taken by Tina: WHAT struck me was something I will NEVER EVER forget. When Duane was in the hospital and his last words before he died. He was heavily drugged by that time. Some of you can go back in the thread and find my quotes, but what I did not know and certainly did NOT have access to when I contacted the FBI in 1996 was any information about the crime, other than what was written in Max Gunthers book. Remember my words - they are written in my planner right after he said them. I am sure the ink could be dated and prove this to be so. I was writing a letter when Duane started talking in his drugged stupor so I wrote down what he said: "Take the Baby downstairs" "Bring the Baby back up the stairs" "I can't go till the Baby get's here" It was only moments later he said "I love you" and then the death gurgle - the first I had ever heard it in my life. Those words have haunted me all of these yrs. I had guessed he was talking about my daughter who was expecting and/or the step-daughter who had to give away her baby. Reading the notes Tina wrote on the plane - when I read what she wrote - it was like I was sitting in that hospital when he said the words. NO way Weber ever had access to the notes written by Tina, but he was sitting right beside her. It is about her going down the stairs and the coming back up the stairs before the passengers would be allowed off the plane. The way it is phrased in the actual note. I will try to do a link to the site and hope it works -but, u guys know how poorly I do things like that. There is NO QUESTION in my mind that Duane Weber was indeed Dan Cooper! NOT after I read those words. Remember I have this on tape and in notes to Himmelsbach and to the FBI. Anyone who knows me knows the story about what he said that afternoon. His last words! Until this thread I had NO access to the notes written by Tina. Perhaps it is just the brevitity of the words - but it left me with tears running down my face when I read it tonight. D.B. Cooper Mystery, page 1 Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I tried to get the site into the thread but I don't know how to do it. Paul Gievett - the man lives in Kansas and he is 88 yrs old - the father of the U-tube guy? Note the history of this man and he was born in 1924 and resides in Ks and he was still alive in Dec. of 2012. Georger you better get in your car and go see him. Would love to see a photo of him in 1971 and hope he is still alive. I think the guy telling the story might be his son. Paul Geivett :: Tom Strongman Hell, I don't know who to get the url. Just type that into your computer the writer of the page is Tom Strongman. NOTE the areas the man lived in. There is more, but I don't know how to transport them. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber