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Jo, the word "awesome" is used in the Bible. Is there something we should know? Was it in the Old Testament? I never heard the word until it became a popular phrase with the young folks. It is in my 1958 dictionary - so I stand corrected. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

If you screw with the pics like that you don't want the truth. Now I have to post the pic you distorted. Georger, You'd have a heart attack if I proved Duane had a backgound in Wa connected to jumpers - wouldn't ya? If you really want to solve this thing maybe you should actually read some of my post. Duane had a connection to the area - but what was it and were was it. Help me find this connection and then I can let go. You might even surprise yourself. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

You "guys" do not want to hear the long road to Tahoe so I am going to state what I am after. The things Duane talked about.I will bluntly state what has me frustrated with the FBI's research of Duane's history in the N.W. and probably no one to blame, but myself. Duane mentioned airstrips and airports and several of them he indicated a personal connection. Some he just commented on the location and the fact there was an airport or strip there. Is ANYONE interested in helping to figure out what Duane's connection to the airports and airstrips was and who the "Guys" where? There is also all of the cemetaries he pointed out. The Dalles: From the Oregon side of the river and he noted across the river was an airport he used to fly in and out of. At that time I assumed "family". The next airport was his talking about Yakima and their moving heavy equipment there and the airstrip and Indians. Next was Washougal: He actually noted 2 strips there, but I only found one. We were at the lake and Duane pointed toward the S.E. and said something about a tower and I thought I remembered his saying an airstrip or signal tower, but I found no history of tower or airstrip being there unless it was on the other side of the river - it was my impression it was on the WA side. Then he points out a airstrip off of NE 267th commonly known as Everett Hwy. The airstrip (which I could not see) was and still is there. He told me he knew the man who owned it - present or past tense I do not remember. Evidently spent some time on that strip....was it always paved or just a dirt strip? Who owned that airstrip and when was it first put there? What was it used for originally and now? What is the chain of owners and what services went in and out of that strip. Was it a private strip at one time? The Washougal - Duane talked as though he had spent a lot of time in the area. He had some connections to a family by the name of Bafus - 2 boys about his age. He claimed to have known the Caretaker of property I believe belonged to the Ledbetters, but could never find the names of the caretaker or foremen or anyone who could provide me names of workers for the property in the late 40's or during the time frames Duane could have been there. 1962 - 1964, but I suspect 1945 -1949. I have snippets of these yrs, but nothing in detail or confirmed. Go north up the road from the airstrip on 267th (also known as SR-500) on this old map. Right across the road from the strip is a Fire Station? Then go East on 19th and then North on 272nd Ave and you find Cooper Rd and one of the Ponds he spoke about. Just before you get there is Brunner Hill and a signal tower with one of the Gates he spoke about (I don't know what these Gates are). I did NOT know how Close this Cooper road was to the airstrip until the other night when I lost my post. It was one of the things I got so excited about and then the post went Poof.

Sure WAS! It was awesome! I never use this word, because it came after my time - but, YES, it was AWESOME. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

When a post runs off the page it is usually a code error. Means we have to scroll clear across the screen to read each line. Perhaps you have some fancy equipment that automatically fixed the problem - I don't have any capabilities like that. Started after post by Robt99. Jan 21, 2012, 8:38 AM Post #31450 of 31457 (39 views) Copy Shortcut Registered: Mar 13, 2009 Posts: 683 Strange I am the only one who sees it. Just ME I guess. Just chaulk it up to age..... Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Brilliant idea. Hint: He's not here. LMFAO Picture is worth a thousand words!! SOMEONE USED A CODE INCORRECTLY - DIDN'T CLOSE FRONT AND BACK OF CODE - PLEASE GO AND CHECK YOUR LAST POST OR WE WILL BE IN TERRIBLE TROUBLE TILL QUADE SEES IT OR HAS TIME TO DEAL WITH IT. THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW HOW TO USE CODES SHOULD NOT DO SO UNTIL YOU LEARN TO CLOSE THE CODE. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I have a feeling Sluggo is NOT managing the site anymore. I haven't been there in a long time. Have there been any new upsdates in the last 6 months? P.S. I might not be able to post for awhile - not feeling too good right now. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Knoss states:

Leave JO WEBER and DUANE WEBER out of any discussion you have in this thread about Cooper. Feel free to discuss Cooper, but you did NOT know Duane Weber and if you did PRODUCE the PROOF. You have NEVER produce one thing that would indicate you actually ever met the man. Put up or shut up! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger: I agree - I have pictures of snow in Milledgeville, Ga with more snow than Blevins was complaining about in his post. Viewing his pics - I just raised my eyebrows! I just typed and deleted a post about one of the posters I wish would go POOF, but decided against it. No, Georger it was not Blevins (his posts are civil and he promotes his book, but goes with the territory). When another poster tries to COLOR the posts of another with lies and deception, that is just the last straw for me. We all know who I am referencing! This person did and still does destroy everything I have worked to accomplish in seeking the truth. He and he alone is responsible for the FBI dropping the investigation on Weber. He never has offered one piece of evidence he knew Weber - not ONE. He has filled his story with the bait I put out to see what he really knew. He took the bait and ran with it and now everyone is caught in the fishing line. He has managed to destroy all other life in the Cooper ponds. There is little for me to say other than to continue to try on my good days to do a post about the trip that just might show more detailed information than I orginally gave the FBI (or more than they could digest in the limited times they spoke to me). My actual sharing of information with the FBI was very limited, as I thought Himmelsbach was relaying information to them. I was WRONG! I doubt the FBI ever heard my complete accounting of the Sentimental Journey in 1979 or they would have looked into this by now. The BIG clue to Duane's connection with this event is his history in WA, OR and ID. A portion of Duane's history the FBI does not have and if they have it - the file is closed as confidential. Duane's involvement in the above mentioned states also involved Ed Horan (whatever his real name was). Picture Attached made approx 1981. Only known picture of this man (he did not want to be photographed). He appears in NO company photos nor does Duane for the TX firm. In fact finding any of those men - has been a lost cause....it is like the ones of interest never existed. On the light side:

Robert, I worked so hard on that post and it jus poofed. I will never be able to go it again in a way any one could understand it. I have taken a pill now, but thank you for realizing this is really really happening. I;ll never remember what I said that struck and struck to me and never remember how it happened. I am still sad = very SAD. The post are an effort for me lately, but I know I have to finish this in the next few days....other wise look for me in the OBITS not that anyone woud care. I care because I am the ONLY person who hold enougjh information to sovle this case - I was not kidding around. When one know their life is possiblily limiits and that they are running out of time things become more clear than you ever could impagine..\ When I triy again it will be garbage. Duane Weber lived there and worked there - someone will rememember when I get the pages done - I know it, I feel it. You quy keep on but try to get pics of Duane out in the areas I have talked about - mail them do what ever will get the attention of the readers. Just please help. Chruchs, Old folks homes . Hope you can read this I can not even type simple sentences. Tooo tirired - just have a few more days to finish. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I just wrote a post about the Washougal area - I will never be able to reconstruct. Lights went on as I studied maps I mentally overlayed - things I never saw before - and went to post it and it went POOF!. I will never be able to recreate the post and those memories how I just found things I did NOT see before. Campbell and Mattney Creek - how all of this coordinated with everything I ever said. That POST had to have been POOFED by someone - I didn't do it. I am crying my heart out after this happened and my fingers hurt too bad and I will never be able to recreate it. I was naming names and places things I had NOT seen before. Cooper Road and where it was from the MT that JT claimed did not exist. I mentioned land-owners. GATES, Roads - details I never saw before. It was very detailed - I can't do this anymore. My energy is limited and I did NOT screw that post up, but something I said in it someone does not want anyone to know. Now this makes me sound like Knoss, but why does this Poof thing happen when I have discovered something I had not noticed before. When I reveal a piece of the puzzle even I did NOT see. Seems like someone wants to bury Duane's history in the Washougal area - but, why? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger stated: Blevins Relates: Illiterate? Surely you jest. I edit books in my spare time, you know. Have been for years, with many successful clients. I lost count how many after twenty or so. That puts me a bit beyond the category of 'illiterate', thank you. Don't make me point you to the web page again...

I like other have not heard from him. Has anyone check the OBITS? Sluggo was a heavy set man with multiple health problems, so maybe he is not with us anymore or maybe he just lost interest after all of these yrs. Sure wish he would POP in with a comment and let us know he is ALIVE and Well. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Wish I felt like posting more tonight. I need to finish the trip of 1979, I don't know if I can finish the trip, but it needs to be done in its entirety - without comments from JT. We arrived at what I thought was a river, but it was Lake LaCames and Duane never corrected me. On our right was the "Mansion" and he indicated he used to know the caretaker. Just beyond that on our left we drove out toward the lake onto a point. (that area was under in 2010). A red building that was there in 2000. In 1979 this point was gravel and small trees with the remnants of a cottage (Duane told me there used to be 3). He pointed across the lake and to what I want to call East "used" to be a tower. Directly across the lake was a logging road. He indicated to the West another tower and what I now to know to have been a "feeding station' for the forestry or loggers. Pointing to the land above forested area on the South side of the lake - were farms (I could not see). My details on this part of trip have been repeated many times. After we left there we passed what is now Know as the Curry Youth Camp - shortly after this we went up a "hill". It was Clay and at the base Duane made the comment he used to know a man who lived there. In the past I have given the names of the homeland owners of that area in 1971 (again JT kept insisting his wife's family owned the property and it was a shopping center now and golf course - NOT TRUE). As we went up the narrow road to the top of the HILL, branches were down and it was scary, but Duane kept on going. At the top of this Hill (on the map it is a MT) was a large cleared area. There was a fence - wire (the kind you saw on farms in the 50's. There was a gate (my memory now will not let me remember wood or metal. Within the fenced area was stately tall old trees that seemed to be dead (it was Late Sept or Early Oct). They towered with no vegetation over large rocks and what I would call boulders scattered around the area. I have described this place before and still do as almost like a cemetary - but, they were not grave stones - just boulders scattered about. It was on this hill Duane told me about the Power Lines and Pipe lines and how they intersected at points from there. He indicated an area where there was water that went down to the Lake. From this point he indicated other things that again have been recounted in other posts. After we went off of the Hill we went back the way we came and as we passed a point just before getting to the lake again, he made a remark just as we passed a covert where a tributary or drainage went into LaCames Lake. His remark we all know and it was the only time he mentioned Cooper. I took it as a joke, but something inside of me knew I needed to remember where we where and why I noted the name of the road as we entered another road on which we turned right and this is when he took me on the other side of the "river" and this is what Confuses JT (my reference of "river" because this DODO thought she was on a river), At any rate this is when he pulls up to and stopped at an old farm house and told me he used to know the man who lived there (no vehicles were there and no one seemed to be home). His comment was the man had 2 sons about his age. The man who did live there did have 2 sons about Duane's age...this I found out before I went to WA in 2010. Facing the house was a cement building or remnant of. on the left side of the house - I thought milking station, since there were lots of cattle in the area. The old house was still there in 2001 and in 2010 before I went out. - the only OLD house left in the area and was being sold and did sell. I would later locate current owner in 2010 and was given the history of the land. Property was the old homestead of Bafus. I knew this was correct because when Duane told me the man's name - Bafus registered as Rufus to me because I have an uncle by that name. Duane corrected me - NO, Bafus - starting with a B. We end up on a road going North and he indicated an airstrip on our left that I could not see from the road. It was right after the airstrip we turned - he hesitated and thought he had the wrong road - but he was on the road that took us back to Washougal. Tomorrow I will try to cover where he took me in Washougal and then on up to 500 and north of there. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

See attached screenshot. The red bubble thing and the green arrow are both pointing at the bridge. Grab your map and find Stevenson, then follow WA Hwy14 till you hit the bridge. There are buildings in Cascade Locks. There are also a couple buildings along the loop called "Toll House Park" that leads to the bridge on the OR side (see second attachment). I think they are some kind of ranger or park service buildings. If you still cannot find the bridge on your maps, I have no further comment. Thank you thank you than you. I am in your debt. JT told me there was NO way I was at The River of the Gods and the things I described such as the motel did NOT exist. The hotel was there in 2010 and I believe it or a older version was there in 1979 - maybe it was just a park at that time...but the over-look of the river was there and we parked there...I was positive Duane I used facilities before crossing the river. Again Thank You! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Quote He flies in to small airports ( who and what was he and what did he do?) Even in 1979 - flying in to small airports indicated a REASON. Knew someone who owned a plane, was involved in a business, worked on the sites or in communications. Remember that in 1979 - I knew NOTHING about his past - as an ex-con - absolutely nothing. Come on someone - think! What could Duane Weber have done that would have required or have been a reason to be in small plane that went into these small airports. Places like The Dalles, Yakima, Washougal and Redmond. Two of these he was specific - "WE flew in and out of" and those are The Dalles and Redmond. There are others, but will get to those in time. In reference to Yakima he indicated information about Indian Reservation and moving some equipment and the airstrip there. He used "we" in reference to Yakima. The reference to Redmond was on our way to Tahoe several days later.Quote I still cannot find the Bridge of the Gods on the map. My memory plays back like a movie reel in my mind. After leaving The Dalles...I am just going to wing this - if I make a mistake I make a mistake. Jerry Thomas has told me over and over Duane & I did not cross at the Bridge of the Gods. I will just tell it how I remember it. Past the Dalles after Duane has mentioned the airport across the way, he mentions a beach, but I could see nothing I thought of as a beach - where the guys used to go. He did take a detour off of the road at this time and we went to a building, but I do not know what it was - it would be around the area of the Wasco Co. Mueseum, which I drove into in 2010, but it was different - perhaps because this time I was doing the driving and after having had a very bad accident in 2000 (2wks after I went public) - I was very nervous driving in an area I had no knowledge of....my memory says he took me a short way into this area. I have not been able to remember the point at which he mentions a road that goes to Yakima (the moving of equipment, airport, Indian Reservation). He used a name I now know to be Klickitat. He talks about climbing and cliffs (at what point I do not remember). We are still on the Oregon side and he is pointing across the river. As we pass the road to Hood he talks about this area and knowing some guys there, but we are not going to go there. He mentions a Marina and again a beach - the "guys" went to. I ask questions but he evaded an answer and moves on to the next subject. He actually mentions White Salmon by name and this is when he spoke about Trout Lake. Someone had a place there or maybe it was a group camp he and the guys stayed at. He tells me that is part of the Gifford Pinchote National Forest. Somewhere along this area is when he starts to talk about Hatcheries. Then we pull down into an area that was really beautiful....at this point we went to the restroom and he pointed out the river and the sail boats. It seemed like a resort area and I always thought this was the point he pointed across the water and mentioned cliff climbing. Jerry Thomas has told me NO way I was at the Bridge of the Gods and that NONE of this ever happened. Even when I spoke to him yrs ago on this subject and even now he claims the Bridge of the Gods and the few buildings in the area looked NOTHING like I have described....he told me there was NO motel there and that there was no buildings. He has always made me doubt myself on this area and if his objective was to scramble my memories he did a job on me. Wish I had had a camera on my trip to WA in 2010...but, my funds were limited and my carry on was very small so I could manage it alone. (I have a really bad back). When we went to cross the bridge we passed a toll - it was very quaint. Jerry has told me there is NO community there, but I remembered buildings and a low fenced area over-looking the river. He claims there are NO building there....so who is right? After crossing 'whatever' he mentions Carson and a road that connected to the other places he has already mentioned. After we cross the river it seemed stark, but we drove on down to The Bonneville Dam. This is where Duane and I got out of the car and he talked about the Dam and again how things work. When I was in WA in 2010 this area was exactly as I remember it... Leaving that area we head into Washougal but, tells me at this there was really nothing to see on my side, but I did NOT go to sleep. I remember this huge hill which turns out to ba MT when I made my trip in 2010. Difference is the opposite way and I am doing the driving. After the land levels out he makes a comment. "I must have misse my turn". I reach for the atlas and find the area called Cames thinking that was were we might be. He states out loud "no there is is - they 4 laned this since I was here". This turn was into WASHOUGAL. In Washougal - he makes a left right after we crossed the Wahougal River (again a place JT argued did not exist). When I was in WA in 2000 I had spent fruitless time with the documentary personnel and they never took me to this area...because JT said it did not exist. Duane and I would then turn North and the after going thru what looked like pastures and dairy areas to me left on to the Ledbetter Rd. Duane points out the Mansion and take me to a place on this "river" which turned out to be a lake to a point were 3 cottages used to be. Ok I am tired so I will try again. I can barely sit here more than a few moments at a time and I can hardly see the screen. My finger tips crack and bleed when I use the keyboard lately. This all I can do for now. Hopefully tomorrow I will make it to Seattle. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Does anyone know how to get pictures of each side of the Bridge of the Gods and the Hood Bridge. I am not in Tahoe and a long way from it, but I was listening to some music and preparing my dinner. I remembered something about Tahoe. Something I am not sure I told in the past. Someone here helped me establish which place Englebert was playing at the last wk or so of Sept - the old brain is NOT allowing me to remember which one....Sahara or Ohara? Not important, but what is important is this: Duane deposited me in a place toward a wing of the Casino and told me to wait there ( this is the place the Humperdinck sign was located about his performance that night). Duane was gone quiet awhile and I walked down toward the entrance he went into. There was a sign there - in this narrow hall. The sign said something like Private Entrance (it was some kind of sign that indicated no one was allowed past that point without permission). I remembered going back to the place Duane assigned to me and shortly thereafter he showed up. I wondered what or why he could have been in there, but he had told me he was going to see someone he knew. I mentioned Humperdinck was playing there indicating the sign. He asked me if I wanted to go. and I mentioned the ticket would be too expensive. He turned around and went back to the same entrance and came back in less than 5 minutes with PRIME seats (it was like in and out). This was for that same night which was OUR last night in Tahoe. Maybe it was an entrance to facility offices or maintenance? What-ever, he came back with tickets on the second row from the stage...not seats (a table). If this was a maintence location as was suggested before - how the Hell did he get prime tickets? I have always wished I had asked MORE questions - What I wouldn't give to know more about his life. He flies in to small airports ( who and what was he and what did he do?) Even in 1979 - flying in to small airports indicated a REASON. Knew someone who owned a plane, was involved in a business, worked on the sites or in communications. Remember that in 1979 - I knew NOTHING about his past - as an ex-con - absolutely nothing. Come on someone - think! What could Duane Weber have done that would have required or have been a reason to be in small plane that went into these small airports. Places like The Dalles, Yakima, Washougal and Redmond. Two of these he was specific - "WE flew in and out of" and those are The Dalles and Redmond. There are others, but will get to those in time. In reference to Yakima he indicated information about Indian Reservation and moving some equipment and the airstrip there. He used "we" in reference to Yakima. The reference to Redmond was on our way to Tahoe several days later. He talked about Trout Lake - they used to go there - someone having a place there....didn't sound like work. I did NOT ask questions and when I did Duane would swifly changed the subject as he was so skilled in doing. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I do not usually reply to your posts but this one got a chuckle out of me tonight! This reflects my thinking and why I am doing the "Sentimental Journey" and because I think there is something important about the trip. As I stated: I am tired and - "it end when we get to Tahoe". Was going to do another segment tonight, but needed to find "The Bridge of the Gods" on a map. Out of all of the maps I have acquired - would you believe the Bridge of the Gods is NOT on any of them? I felt I had forgotten something before we crossed the bridge - my memories from 1979 had NOT accounted for time and space and couldn't figure out where we crossed the river to the WA. side. Duane had spoke about a Beach and another airport off in a distance after leaving The Dalles and my memory seemed to want to go in reverse. He had mentioned a beach the guys used to go to and he had mentioned Yakima and the airstrip and the Indians prior to our crossing the bridge. Sorry the post was so long and the REST of the Sentimental Journey will be just as long. I need to finish this - it just won't be tonight. Tahoe is the end of the journey. If no one see what I see then it is over. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Now, you guys are profiling and didn't even know it. I have not read all of the pages, but a couple of you are finally seeing this thru the eyes of a profiler and not as someone wanting to create a HERO out of what Cooper did.. Finally someone is looking and listening to what Cooper DID NOT DO. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I am going to ask this thread for some help. Have absolutely NO IDEA how to accomplish what I am proposing. Since I know Duane talked about and showed me EVERY AIRSTIP and SMALL AIRPORT we passed, I think this means something important. He pointed out the powerlines and pipelines and cemetaries and gravel pits - some small towns and noted places the "guys" used to eat at. These all mean something, but one specific things might make the background of Weber stand out to the FBI. I am focusing on this because of what Duane said regarding 3 of the strips...."We used to fly into there". Who was we and why and what would Duane Weber or John Collins or Dusty Wenz be doing in these area that would place him in a plane at relative small airstrips? The Airstrips: How and Why and when did Weber or whatever name he used have a connection to these airstrips? 1944-1949 and then 1962-1968. Since these are the yrs that have blank spots in them - these are the yrs I want to concentrate on. I am going to try to recall every airport and airstrip Duane told me about and what I want to do is to somehow be able to contact these areas and find out if there is a way to contact the old owners or their families to see if anyone still living remembers this man and why he would have had anything to do with these airstrips....perhaps I need to make a huge leap of faith and go public with this, but I will not be able to do that until March. Please help me lay some ground work - This project will be my last attempt to find another human being alive who might remember the man in the the photos I am going to attach. I only have 2 photos of Duane from those time frames - that actually resemble the man I knew. He started talking about things before we approached the Boise area. It was like he was telling me about his life - I thought maybe from when he was a kid, but the remarks he made would soon chase that thought away. Of course we all know he talked about the Missoula Fire (Mann Gulch) and an airport there. He mentions the event that killed so many and I got the impression he had a personal connection to this. It was like he was there if nothing else involved in the recovery and aftermath. He seemed remorseful and sad. Some place there are details of what he told me. He mentioned Bitterroot and Gates of the Mountains. Then the Missouri River (I remembered that because I did NOT know there was a River in ID called Missouri River) - I even thought he was using the wrong name and questioned him about this. Around Boise - he really starts to unwind. It was around here that he mentions knowing someone in Homedale area, but we would not be seeing him - I got the impression who ever this was - he made a recent contact with. When we get near the Oregon State line he can't shut up. Talks about Wiesner and takes his memories to Coeur d'alene and Spokane. Tells me about an Indian Reservation and knowing a boy there. He mention Hayden - and he talks about Mountain goats or Elks and a lodge up that way. His memory comes closer to the highway when he mentions he used to know someone in the in Pullman and Palouse (again the impression of an airstrip) - I have often thought this is where he probably got in trouble and why he could never go back. What did he do that was so bad he could not go back? Was the trouble in Coure d'alene or Palouse. He mentions Moscow and Lewiston. As we cross the corner of OR he mentions Castle Rock and Apples and Burns and John Day (something about Indians and China - seemed to be out of place). For some reason he mention a town named Hereford, but now I do not know why. In the Pendleton area he talks about the Nickels and how they could not go to the restuarants. He used to run errands for them. Duane had a connection to Blacks I never understood - perhaps because of his Summer dark complexion he was often mistaken for being Black. He mentions Walla Walla but nothing stand out. He is starting to talk about airports - the Pendleton memories seemed to open him up. It is getting late and he is pushing for The Dalles, but we go off of the highway in Biggs or Rufus. The shop he pulls up to is closed and he used to know the woman who owned it. (There was an old gas pump across the street). Mattie Findley owned the shop and her nephew owned the motel there. Duane goes into the motel and comes back out - I can't remember why (whoever he was looking for was not there or perhaps deceased or no long owned the place - whatever it was, he did NOT want me to go in with him). Duane talks about Goldendale and a place he and the "guys" use to go to a bar there. We check into a motel just off the highway in The Dalles area. We go a restuarant there near the river that night. He tells me about a river boat (I forget what he told me about the river boat) and the place we went into was very nice. NOT one time has this man looked at a map. He tells me about the Spillway! After we check in he points off to the South and tells me about Dufur and Maupin - he knew someone who lived there. He talks about Mt Hood and the guys. He mentions Government Camp and I got the impression he had worked there, but didn't have a clue what it was. That night he tells me to sleep in because he had something to do. He leaves around 7:30 and does not get back until after check-out time. He is soiled and washes up and before we hit the road. He mentioned before we left that The Dalles had a Fire Museum and there was a picture of him in that Museum. He mentions he had a family member or friend who had worked for the Fire Dept. He mention knowing a family in the area and I thought that was who he went to see, but he did NOT share it with me. He tells me he used to sweep out a store there - believe he said Buster Brown Shoe store. Before we leave we go to what I now know was The Dalles Dam and we sit there in the car as he tells me about the Dam and the Day Dam to our East and the Bonneville Dam and how the gates worked. I had forgot this until I went back out in 2010 on my own. The most important thing he points to the other side of the river - on the Washingon side and tells me about an airport he used to fly out of. HOW, WHEN and WHY? I did not ask questions just accepted he had a life before me he did NOT want to share with me. The Bridge of the Gods is where we crossed the river, but it took my trip back in 2010 to trigger this, but the moment I got there I remembered it like it had been very recent. My trip in 2010 was in the opposite direction - but it worked. We are up high on the Oregon side and the boat are sailing below. Tomorrow I will take you across the river to the WA side. It may take me a few days to take you on this trip with Duane in 1979. When I finish the trip to Seattle and to Vancouver and then to Tahoe - you will see a common thread in the stories Duane told me. Those who choose not to believe me will do so, but my job will be done when I reach Tahoe. I do not know why Duane told me the things he did - but he did and when the trip is over, I will be moving on - I am tired. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Cooper curse = more than one person here this all applies to.... Leave it to Orange to keep the Cooper Curse going! Of course I take her statements personally because that is exactly what she intends - she is Female. The Cooper Curse: Exists only because of the inadequate ability of the FBI to maintain - one capable agent to compile research on such cases as this. What has that Cost them? Too Much! Over 40 yrs no one really knows how man agents were assigned this case along with all of their other duties. This as resulted in no continuation of accurate knowledge of the case and lots of government dollars used to research and to investigate things not necessary. The FBI dropped the ball. This could have been avoided by allowing older agents to stay longer - working only cold cases. I do believe this is NOW being done, but only in the last few yrs. The mandatory retirement age was in the prime of life for these senior agents - just when their real investigative abilities stepped in. As for Cooper - it is now too late. I would be impossible for one agent to review all of the files and leads presented over the last 40 yrs. It is doubtful some of the leads ever made it to the agent in charge and they had other crimes to take care of and with little knowledge of what the files contained. An assimilation of every call made to the FBI about Cooper and ever lead that seemed to go in a direction or feel good - just might all be traced back to a possible suspect. Such as "I used to know this guy who worked with me in the 40's in XYZ - he was always getting in trouble and he resemble that guy who worked with me". Did the receiving agent record the source and location and contact information for the caller? If so was this information ever given to an agent knowledgeable of the crime? How many of these mulitple calls might have been traced back to one single source or suspect? The FBI created the Curse if you choose to call it that. Everytime I got a lead - I tried to follow it with what I had at my disposal and have made this available to individuals. Certain documentations I could never get hard copies nor verify - because the are Government document not available to me. 1. Duane's SS records from 1962 to 1968 under John C. Collins. 2. The detailed prison record and mug shot from the Jefferson Prison. 3. The paper stating Weber had parachute training in the 40's - something within the files of a family member who deceased and the receiving party would not make available. 4. The criminal or government file on a man connected to Weber - by the name of Roach. 5. Any trace of his connection to the man known to me as Ed Horan...the man just doesn't exist. 6. Duane's connections to JMWAVE organization was NEVER investigated by the FBI. They never spoke to the man he loaned 5K to back in 1972 - how did Duane get that kind of money to loan his boss and why? 7. Who was Tommy Gunn and what was his relation to Duane Weber. 8. Tony Wong also knew Weber during a time frame Duane knew Tommy - remember Tommy called Duane - "John". 9. Why didn't the FBI interview the children involved in Duane's life from 1962 to 1972? All I have is my voice and my key board and limited funds to conduct the investigation into the background of Weber. I have done what I can do and now after 16 yrs there is little I can do other than hope for a miracle that this crime will be solved. Those who came forward 40 yrs ago, 30 yrs ago,20 yrs ago and 10 yrs ago - none of us have access to those names and files. How many links could have been there which would have traced back to one common suspect. The FBI did not keep those kind of records and now after 40 yrs not one agent would ever be able to find the needle in the haystack. I wish there was some way to put my memory of that trip in 1979 on a film and have recorded the things Duane told me and showed me. If I told another story about that - trip, NO one would ever believe a word I have said before (if anyone even believes what I have said). I did touch on our trip to Tahoe and the things he pointed out along the way - so very strange that now these things seem important. Not sure if I did this in the thread or some place else, but it has been said in the past. Remember Duane left me at THE DALLES for 5 1/2 hours on our way to Seattle. Never knew where he went. When we left Seattle to Vancouver and then to Portland we drove along the Columbia on the OR. side until we reached a road that would take us to Mt Hood (Mt or town - I don't know).. This is when we turned around and headed back toward Portland and he announce we were going to Tahoe. I asked if we could afford it and he told me they gave him a cash bonus at the meeting in Seattle - (bull - they gave him a check and I found this in the tax records). Heading back to Portland we turned ( I left the old Osha Map in Ca in 2004 so the marked route is forever gone). This was a map I marked of the places we went to on our way to Tahoe. This map showed the entire 1/2 of the USA with little detail of course - but it is all I had. I will have to do the detail on this trip later. I have some place I have to be in a little while. Some one might want to dig up the place I retraced this trip before just to be sure.

The Ghost of D.B. Cooper by Skyjack71 should be written, but Knoss will NOT part of it. He did NOT know Weber other than thru a brief encounter regarding something Knoss has never revealed to his wife nor his children. I assure you it had NOTHING to do with chutes nor Norjack. I regret the day I ever allowed him to have my number or make any communications. He never passed the truth test and sunk his teeth into almost every HOOK I put infront of him. I reeled him in and found he was crappie and threw him back. Now when I put the boat in the water - it doesn't take long for him to find me....and then he keeps trying to jump into the boat. Wish there was another Cooper Pond. This one is getting shallow - like the one (I used to have) in my backyard. A few yrs ago there were some decent fish in it. Now it has become no more than a nuisance because of the marsh plants filling it in. A small alligator left a larger (pond or lake) just down stream and stuck around for about 2 yrs. Now I think even he has left because I no longer see his footprints. Did see a Crane a few days ago - we used to have one all the time, but after the oil spill he was covered in OIL. I call the wild life and I never saw him again. The new one is much smaller....but, have only seen him that one time. Probably just checking things out. When the Pond was not maintained the crappie and marsh took over and it no longer supports new wildlife. Our Pond with 15 homes around it has no name. Think I just named it tonight - Cooper Pond. Georger: I like Flute music - such as Paul Zimmer's Echoes of the Soul and then there is Kenny G. There is just something so very peaceful about flutes. Of course I do listen to some classical and my oldies but goldies. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Knoss has managed to trash this thread just like he has every internet site he as left his foot prints in. This man lives in a world of fantasy. You have heard his story or stories and seen the absurd photos he prints and his claims of being the record keeper for "Norjak" (note Norjak did NOT exist until after the investigation started) yet refuses to produce the documents he has claimed for yrs to be in possession of. His claims of a judge who granted him some sort of priviledges - such as esponging records that never existed to start with. Geoffrey Gray actually was pulled into this and went to speak to the Judge. Gray is the one who needs to expose Knoss in this thread - but, his information is his and his only to release or sit on. Geoffrey spending time with Knoss cost him the Co-pilot interview and Knoss is why the Co-pilot no longer takes communications regarding the incident. Knoss has made life for everyone's life who he has touched - miserable. Knoss and Knoss alone is responsible for many individuals refusing to become involved..even when they actually have something real to contribute. Every contact you guys make available in this thread - Knoss harasses them to death...as he did to me (before the thread & before I had a computer) and Grey and Pasternak and the FBI. KNOSS is WHY the FBI stopped investigating Weber. When Knoss posts pictures others have traced to actual individuals on the internet claiming they are McCoy - and claims McCoy calls him on the phone....we all know McCoy is dead...this is going too far. Knoss claims McCoy's death was faked - yet, we all KNOW that is not true. He has harassed the family of McCoy and McCoy's widow moved on with her life. She has children and grandchildren and great grand children - all of who have been harassed by Knoss at one time or another. The survivors where NOT even safe from Knoss on their face books. Telling minors a family member was actually alive and not dead was stepping WAY over the line. Right now I am disgusted the attacks Knoss made (regarding the survivors of McCoy) were allowed to continue for as long as they did. When individual come to this thread they expect of find the quality of post made in the past and now there seems to be no reason to visit this thread. As for myself - I try NOT to go off into fantasy land and to stay solid in what I have told - but, I suppose that alone makes me sound as "Looney" as Knoss. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber