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"another part of DB's Grudge)..." Knoss has stated below:

Knoss states: Crap - I have found NO TRUTHS in anything you have said. I am protecting NO ONE, but do protect myself against people like you who consistently twist things to meet your own needs or your twisted mine. Please STOP using footprints - again you have NO footprints! You do NOT have any written documentation or photos - you have NOTHING. Footprints was NOT part of your vocabulary until I spoke of the footprints we are chasing. A footprint leaves an impression - one can SEE. You have NOTHING anyone can see other than your twisted story which has evolved from phone conversations and emails with me and others. Every post you make just buries you deeper and deeper in your own excrement. It would be fruitless to follow any lead on the BYU pin as that only exists in your mind. PRESENT (1) ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE - JUST ONE THAT WARRANTS anyone expend one minute doing so. You presented "pictures' of Mac and it was obvious only a sick mind would even present something so "obviously" concocted. You also continue to repeat the story claiming Duane wore make-up and his hair was bleached blonde. That would have created a FREAK - an attention getter. His complexion was anything but pale - you can't even reconcile yourself about that when pictures have been present that PROVE you are contocting the make-up story. Amongest the contenders for Cooper only KC would have needed make-up to make him appear darker. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[RED]NOTE PICTURE ATTACHED: TAKEN OF OLD DUANE AND I. NO MAKE UP NEEDED. REMEMBER HE IS VERY OLD IN THIS PIC AND NOTE - I HAVE MEDIUM TO FAIR OLIVE COMPLEXION.[/RED] Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

PROVE you spoke to Geoffry and when! If he sent you and email - post it here. You are the one who cost Grey his interview with the Co-pilot....now who is dispicable? Geoffry tried to find the new article about the ex-wife you accused of having committed a crime. You were insistent to Grey this was in a newpaper, but NOTHING was found. I asked the ex specifically about you and about the theft - she denied any knowledge. There is also NO arrest record - that has been checked out using all of the aliases. Arrest records are easy to find if you live in the county and are willing to dig into the archived files. I can hear it now - the FBI expunged the new article and the arrest record. We are all able to predict what your next move and claim is going to be. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger stated: Why are you guy disputing Tom on this? He saw the clip and photographed it. The reflection of the tie with the flash of the camera was my first gut feeling. As I studied the images you guys posted - I was even more convinced of this. Since Tom also states this to you Georger, it is obvious you guys love to over analyze things. Do your own experiment with a high grade camera and flash or stobe. Use any old tie tac you can find and a woven textured tie - you will get the same results. Shadows and flaws in the casting and the texture of the tie along with its own shadow creating these "images". Use a loop and look at some of your own jewelry - this is a given. My fantasy - it reads - Kress! YOU guys know I am joking, but JT and Knoss will twist this into something altogether different.

Georger - go to BED you are seeing things: You just made the statement below: Georger, georgie if I looked REAL hard I could get Kress out of that - a company Duane's wife worked for in several locations. But, it is not numbers. Do you realize the size of the surface you are taking about and if it was stamped with any kind of marking it would be smooth and obvious. You guys are looking for messages in the clouds. Speaking of which I did see today - very briefly an ancient crucifix upside down in the clouds. The clouds around a very blue sky formed this image - one of those moments you wish you had a camera in hand. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

One can make anything of a shadow or mirrored reflection (which is what I think it is). If I wanted to force this I could say I see a F and R and K - get my point? They are the mirrored reflections created with the light of the camera on the medal in the shadow of the tie.

I don't think that is numbers on the clip. I have turned it upside down and side ways. I think it appears to be a reflection of the tie grain as it shadowed in the light of the camera. Note grains in tie match what some are saying are numbers. You don't have 8's upright and then lieing on their side. As for the Interlock Nut and Bolt, you sure did BUG me about it and wanted to know the name of the company. Why even brother to ask a question if you aren't interested...in any answer I gave. I told you I thought maybe they were contractors - and I assumed you were going to investigate the origins of the company to see what the made and for whom. Perhaps they made parts for planes. We can be sure that Weber had some kind of association with planes - why did he have a plane window piece he used as a paperweight? You Mr. J.W speak with Forked tongue. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Taping of the ears I suggested since everyone made a big deal out of Duane's ears in a prison photo. No consideration was made for the release photo which did NOT show the Dumbo Ears the thread joked about. I had also talked to you about this - yet now it was "others" as you tell it. A prison haircut also contributes to the allusion of large ears. The ex-wife admitted to dying Duane's hair and that is obvious when you look at some 1968 and 1969 photos versus the 1970 photo. Now you are tooting this was said by "others". Yet, Doug Pasternac would be able to view his notes and prove this was conversations he and I had regarding Duane and his ex-wife. Now you have even added to your repretoir of "evidence" a camo chute compliments of this thread. I have repeatedly told you that Duane never bleached his hair - it would have been obvious since he did NOT have a jail-house complexion and the color of his eyes being so very very dark. He would have looked like a freak - and freaks get attention. The picture I attached showed his complexion in the dead of winter and having not seen a beach in almost 2 yrs. Note his arm and my arm (I have a medium complexion and I am NOT fair). The picture shows his natural complexion and AS LIGHT as he ever was during the 17yrs we spent together. Get a life Knoss and GET OUT of MINE! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I have been on the phone since I got up this morning. It is believed we have put Duane in Cames around 1945 to 1949. All we need is ONE picture - not just some old guy's comment "I think that might be him" as so many witnesses have stated over the yrs regarding "other" suspects. Duane was running with some other guys - and now that we tracked two of them to one point - a point Duane told me a lot about and we have the "others" also at this location during this critical time. 3 names well known in the Smokejumpers had personal contacts with a specific location as did Duane and the other 2 guys. JT did NOT investigate one thing I asked him to do - NOT one thing. The more we find the more this seems like a cover-up. Now the government needs to prove it wasn't a cover-up so, what else can they blame it on? One could say a sloppy investigation by the FBI. Either way NONE of this looks good for the FBI - if it goes beyond the FBI then our government is hiding secrets even after 40 yrs...and that is a a BAD thing. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Knoss Stated: DUANE WEBER DID NOT NEED TO CHANGE HIS COMPLEXION. HE WAS NEVER FAIR AND HIS SKIN SOME WOULD CALL GREEK TO LATIN AND WHEN HE HAD LOTS OF SUN IT COULD BE A GOLDEN DARK TAN ALL THE WAY TO A MAHAGONY COLOR. Knoss has obviously NOT viewed the actual photos of Duane. Especially photos that show he and I together and the difference in the tones of our skins. Knoss speaks of things he knows NOT. The attached was made during Christmas of 1979 - his complexion even in the dead of winter and having not been to Florida for a few yrs - was darker than mine. I have other pictures, but no way to show my complexion versus his without revealing more of myself than I chose to do so...plus I have NOT scanned those photos and prefer to keep somethings about my life PRIVATE. GOD, If you really really exist Please deliver me from this demon who calls himself Knoss. Please - this man destroys everything in his path and he doesn't care who he hurts to obtain his goal. If he really knew or thought Weber was Cooper - he has done all in his power to negate otherwise. He is nothing more than a MOLE in the Cooper case whose only job is to attack and destroy any evidence that might be available to prove Weber was Cooper. Knoss NEVER even met Weber because if he did - he would know his complexion better than that. [RED]Duane's complexion would vary due to exposure to the sun and areas - but Weber was NOT fair complexed. The first exposures of the yr to beach sun would leave him with this Indian/Latin look and then as his exposure to the sun increased the Indian/Latin took on darker colors in the rich mahogany realm - too much sun and the ash would come to the surface, but never obliterated the golden/olive undertones.[/RED] Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

No one keeps a secret forever. Duane Weber was in the The Dalles and Washougal. Damn the FBI! Damn them for throwing my life away because they couldn't do their damn job. Maybe they did their JOB. Maybe their job was to cover it all up. Apple Orchards, smokejumpers, airstrips and mentors. He was right there in the middle of it all. Damn our DAMN Government - Damn them! That is a tie tac in the picture and it looks like the one the FBI has. I told them everything they needed to know to put Weber in those locations, but they never picked up a phone or sent a guy to these places...no one investigated the things I told them. I didn't know how to dig thru the old county records and files nor did I have the time or money.

The money came from one bank and was kept on hand for such an occasion. As for Carr's statement - he was just speaking in a language that the younger generation could understand. Bet he does NOT know what a Recordak machine was! I admit I do not know what a Recordak is. TODAY: Married Duane WEBER March 27, 1978 So today if my math is correct would be our 34th Anniversary. TOMORROW: Duane Weber died March 28, 1995. If my math is right he died 17 yrs ago. This has been a long battle and I am tired. I try to let go, but when individuals enter FALSE information about what I have said and about Duane Weber, I have to speak up. Very tired of fighting the elements of a certain poster. The TRUTH about where the name CaretakerAl came from: I told BK about the caretaker of the Ledbetter property on Lake LaCames. I kept quizing him for information and told him things Duane mentioned to me on the trip - this was BEFORE I went to WA. in 2001. The moment I saw the house and the lake "I thought was a river" I was able to start putting the pieces of the trip together. (Note that JT had claimed I was on the river and that Duane had doubled back on me. A deliberate deception on his part, but why?) Had it NOT been one female truck driver who I call Angel Udell and 5 citizens of WA - I would NOT have found the Lake or the Mansion in 2001. I had witnesses who experienced my discovery and know the crew for the documentary took me to other places for their benefit and at the direction of JT. If JT had been truthful to the media and to the FBI about what I was describing - this old crime would have been solve LONG ago. Back to the care taker of the Ledbetter property. I begged the FBI to find out who the care taker was during the yrs 1944 to 1949 and also from 1962 to 1966 as those would have been the yrs that Duane had a relationship with the caretaker. When Duane showed me this house - he talked about the Care Taker and that he used to know him. Duane even mentioned other structures on the property that I could not see. Duane was VERY familiar with the property. On Lake LaCames was at one time a point with 3 fishing cabins on it. Only the remains of one still existed in 1979. In 2001 the point was still there, but a Red building was there. The director of the Curry Youth Camp further up the road told the undercover detective and me that if we had walked around the red build we would have seen the remains of that one cottage. He asked if I saw the Lilly Pads - because the area in 1979 had a steep incline to the lake per my memory. He said just beyond those lilies there was a steep drop off. A lot had changed from 1979 to 2001. Then in 2010 when I went back the red building was gone and the lake was even higher and the point no longer existed. Strange - JT insisted NONE of the above existed. Does NOT one of you find this ODD. I do! I don't know what to make of it, but you can bet another voice in this thread will make what I have just said into one of this fairy tales with distorted information. He needs to understand that I have told this story before in this thread and it has never changed. Finding who the CARETAKER of the Ledbetter properties was and his name is one of the most valuable clues to finding Duane's history in WA. Why could the FBI have NOT investigated this part? Because it was a footprint they wanted left alone! Note another poster incorporates my words into his vocabulary and his story. This is how he incorporated CareTaker into his story. He will deny this! Knoss and JT are cut from the same mold. They are a conspiracy all by themselves. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

You NEVER knew Duane Weber and if did YOU would KNOW what you said is just a bunch of CRAP. He detested fruity drinks! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Perhaps "camo" was a poor choice of words here. It appears to me that the chute is a tannish color and consistent throughout. By that I mean it looks like the color came from being dyed. If the color came from being buried in the ground, I think it would not be consisent throughout and there would be whiter and/or darker areas showing in the canopy. Old Lady Knowledge: When I was a girl on a farm in the 40's and 50's my mother used to dye sheets and other items. From what I remember of these dyed items - I believe that Robert99 is probably correct in stating the item was dyed. I do NOT feel like trying to find an old photo of the chute, but did the cords not also appear to have this dusty pinkish/tan color or where they white? I agree that something that has been in the ground would discolor in streaks and other odd patterns. Just OLD WOMAN questions. I know nothing about chutes and how one would dye one. Just curious about the color of the cords. I don't try to down load the U-tube stuff - only have dial-up. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Don't waste your time with Knoss's Milk Can Story. There was NO diary on the river - other than the one at Tena's Bar. Don't feed the Troll and that is all he his. He Trolls for Cooper and destroys every thread and site he has gone to. One site banned him - he called himself CareTakerAl on that one. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

You ARE NOT the only one seeing it - but, how the hell do we get the FBI to do anything about it. Our best bet is Coss at this point or someone in the Amboy area. There is a bar on the corner - go up there and see if those two old timers are still around. They might talk for a drink or two. Go talk to the locals who have lived there all of their lives. You do realize that if that chute was on that plane - that it points right at Duane. Don't forget the airstrip not far from there and the fact that Duane knew the nephew of a woman who was connected to that airstrip. Took me to where she used to have a shop in Biggs or Rufus. Her nephew ran a motel in the same area (Rufus or Biggs). Both individuals connected to the airstrip near Amboy! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Betcha everyone ignores this post but me. This is what I have tried and tried to tell about Duane's background. Flying in and out of Missoula, The Dallas and Redmond. On our trip Duane told me about Missoula and the fire. Another time after 1988 - I think there was a huge fire in the mid West and Duane mentioned that he knew some of the guys who worked in that area (I don't remember where the fire was). He was glued to the TV during those few days - and he mentioned a couple of names, but they didn't stick in my mind. On our trip in 1979 to WA he talked about "the guys" - Duane may have been using another name. He had Dusty tattooed on his arm. He had relatives by the name of Wenz or Wentz in the WA, OR and ID area. He was too familiar with airplane to ground communications, plus an old friend in Atlanta was an air traffic controller at the airport. He told me about this friend when we were dating, but I don't remember anything other than what I just said. We met August of 1977 and married in March of 1978. So the guy would have been working there while we were dating. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

YOU have NO Conception of the facts of this crime. You keep changing your story to FIT what anyone says in prior post and I for ONE am fed up with it. This is FUN and GAMES to you, but there many of us who are dead serious about what we are doing. I am fighting a time clock, so will you please get LOST and stay LOST. Why don't you take a trip to WA. State and learn WHY the things you rant on about are NOT justified. There are those in this thread who have put lots of hard work in to providing the information they have presented. You, Knoss have destroyed any reason anyone would want to come to this thread other than to argue with you - regarding the things which are obviously figmentations of your illusive mind and imagination.

I can even tell you were he gets MAC from. Duane worked for a guy whose last name had Mac in it and was often refer to as Mc or Mac. Mac was a very honest upstanding resident of WA. I mentioned Mac in one of my conversation (I was stupid enought to believe Knoss might actually be real). Knoss probably knew Duane from prison, a bar, a party or perhaps not at all. Only one thing I ever found - was that Duane and the ex did go to Bloomington for about 6 wks. Everything else Knoss has claimed he had drudged up out of the gutters of his mind. NOT one word has he been able to prove. The only thing Knoss has succeeded in doing was getting the FBI to stop investigating Weber. I do know Duane was involved in "something" besides the small time criminal he was known to be. Duane's connection to these things came out of CO and TX and AZ. Duane Weber knew Paperlegs Petersen and his connections go all the way to a journalist by the name of Anderson. Duane was also a snitch...and because of his demeanor and prison record a great mole in the underworld. Why when he took me certain places - there were certain people he could NOT introduce me to, because they knew him as another name...he would go find them by himself and leave me else where. I can hear the ringing of the bells on that one - it is like having my head in the tower while the bells are being rung. "Oh, he knew them under his alias and was hiding that from you." Explain how the ex met and knew Weber in 1962 as John Collins and yet he didn't get the John Collins SS number until 1963? Why and how did Weber know some of the guys supposedly involved in Watergate? I actually met 2 of them - now that is spooky! What and who was Ed Huran and why is there no record of his employment with the very same company Duane worked for - why did the FBI refuse to even find or talk to him? Why did the FBI look the other way regarding everything I had told them. A man Duane and Ed worked for was KNOWN to hire and support ex-cons...and had lots of connections - this part still rattles my cage a little. Especially since I know certain individuals came up deceased (supposedly by suicide) because they knew too much. It was strange that Duane talked to me about these 2 individuals. I didn't get the connection then - but I do now. How and Why did Duane know both of these individuals - even casually or as the door-man in a hotel. Duane Weber was a snitch while he was in New Orleans - that is a given...but not a snitch for the MOB, but for someone who was trying to protect and do no harm. Duane blended into the background in N.O. and he wanted to do something right in his life - he got his chance and he took his chances - how the hell does anyone think that Duane Weber walked on a Jefferson sentence with a Commutation of Sentence... a 5 time felon - walks right out of prison - UNBELIEVABLE! Absolutely unbelievable! If there is anyway you guys swallow the story about Jefferson or Knoss's story then you need to go to Az and see about that Bridge. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber