JohnnyD

Are you saying that I did NOT have to kill all those babies? What about the kittens? I'm so confused.

Also, part of the deal is that the records would not have to be maintained in the US and be subjected to US authorities. ?????????? How can people be perfectly ok with illegal wire tapping as a measure to ensure national security and yet be ok with not having records of what is coming into and going out of our own ports. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

How much more do you need, or do you think the 9-11 comission report is one big lie as well? It is clearly stated in the report that members of the UAE royal family - the same family we are proposing to manage our ports - were in terrorist training camps with OBL himself 19 months before 9/11. We also know that the family has and continues to funnel money to Hamas through "charity organizations". I will concede that the Bush family has a lot of influence with the UAE royal family at the moment, but the royal family is also known to support terrorists. What happens when that influence is gone? - In hindsight, it was a bad idea to finance and supply OBL. - In hindsight, it was a bad idea to finance and supply SH. - It is a bad idea to finance and supply any entity that supports terrorists. When are we going to learn?

Excerpt from 9/11 Commission testimony of CIA DIRECTOR GEORGE TENET, Eighth Public Hearing, Wednesday, March 24, 2004, Hart Senate Office Building, Washington, DC CHAIRED BY: THOMAS H. KEAN MR. FIELDING: Well, yesterday we talked about the three events in '98 and '99 where there were occasions that it looked like there might be an opportunity, which then in each instance was deemed not to be operational. And the one that I find the most intriguing and the one that's been labeled as perhaps the lost opportunity more than any was the February '99 hunting camp, I guess it's been described, and the desert camp. And yesterday in the staff statement that was read, we were told about that and we were told that the intelligence seemed pretty strong, and that the preparations were made and then the strike was called off, and -- although the lead CIA agent in the field felt that it was very reliable intelligence. I guess, was there anything unique about the intelligence or the circumstances that necessitated that decision, and who made that decision? MR. TENET: I don't have a recollection of the uniqueness of the intelligence in question at the time. I'm going to go back and provide that for you. In fact, I'd like to go back and try and package up all the data at my disposal when we were thinking about these issues. I believe this was a collective decision. I also believe this target went away because the camp was ultimately dismantled. So in reading through your staff inquiry, your staff notes on this, I can't recall who made the call, but I know we were all in the same place about it, Mr. Fielding. MR. FIELDING: Yeah. Well, I would appreciate that on behalf of the Commission if you could do that because it seemed that this -- when the intelligence was so good, and that by the time the camp was dismantled days and days had passed. So I would appreciate -- MR. TENET: There's also a question, I believe, as to whether bin Ladin was inside or outside the camp -- MR. FIELDING: Of course. MR. TENET: -- it was a complicating issue in this whole thing -- and whether he was there or not. So there's a second complicating factor here. The third complicating factor here is, you might have wiped out half the royal family in the UAE in the process, which I'm sure entered into everybody's calculation in all this. But in any event, I would like -- I will try and reconstruct the data as best I can, in terms of what I had in my possession at the time. MR. FIELDING: I would appreciate it. Thank you. And thank you for your testimony. I see that little red light is on. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Click Here for the full transcription: http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing8/9-11Commission_Hearing_2004-03-24.htm Excerpt from 9/11 Commission Staff Statement #6, Eighth Public Hearing, Tuesday, March 23, 2004, Hart Senate Office Building, Washington, DC CHAIRED BY: THOMAS H. KEAN: The Desert Camp, February 1999. During the winter of 1998-99, intelligence reported that Bin Ladin frequently visited a camp in the desert, adjacent to a larger hunting camp in Helmand Province of Afghanistan, used by visitors from a Gulf state. Public sources have stated that these visitors were from the United Arab Emirates. At the beginning of February, Bin Ladin was reportedly located there, and apparently remained for more than a week. This was not in an urban area, so the risk of collateral damage was minimal. Intelligence provided a detailed description of the camps. National technical intelligence confirmed the description of the larger camp, and showed the nearby presence of an official aircraft of the UAE. The CIA received reports that Bin Ladin regularly went from his adjacent camp to the larger camp where he visited with Emiratis. The location of this larger camp was confirmed by February 9, but the location of Bin Ladin's quarters could not be pinned down so precisely. Preparations were made for a possible strike, against the larger camp, perhaps to target Bin Ladin during one of his visits. No strike was launched. According to CIA officials, policymakers were concerned about the danger that a strike might kill an Emirati prince or other senior officials who might be with Bin Ladin or close by. The lead CIA official in the field felt the intelligence reporting in this case was very reliable. The UBL unit chief at the time agrees. The field official believes today that this was a lost opportunity to kill Bin Ladin before 9/11. Clarke told us the strike was called off because the intelligence was dubious, and it seemed to him as if the CIA was presenting an option to attack America's best counterterrorism ally in the Gulf. Documentary evidence at the time shows that on February 10th Clarke detailed to Deputy National Security Advisor Donald Kerrick the intelligence placing UBL in the camp, informed him that DOD might be in a position to fire the next morning, and added that General Shelton was looking at other options that might be ready the following week. Clarke had just returned from a visit to the UAE, working on counterterrorism cooperation and following up on a May 1998 UAE agreement to buy F-16 aircraft from the United States. On February 10th, Clarke reported that a top UAE official had vehemently denied that high-level UAE officials were in Afghanistan. Evidence subsequently confirmed that high-level UAE officials had been there. By February 12th, Bin Ladin had apparently moved on and the immediate strike plans became moot. In March, the entire camp complex was hurriedly disassembled. We are still examining several aspects of this episode.

7 or 8.

It is a state owned company. The same state that supplied 2 of the Sept. 11 hijackers, a constant supply of money to Hamas and was one of the three nations to officially recognize the Taliban as an official governing entity. What could go wrong? The Dept. of Homeland Security will be around and we all know how well they protect our borders, not to mention how well they have already proven to be at natural disasters. The Lybian government has renounced terrorism. I wonder how long it will be before we allow them to manage our airports?

Also depends on what state you're in. You can set up a single member LLC for $0.99 in Colorado in less than an hour. Of course more than one member in the LLC and that is an entirely different animal.

A priest endorsing ID. Shocker. Not a bad article all in all, but to say that evolution is completely random and not science - maybe he should brush up a bit. FWIW - I am an athiest, but I do believe creationism and other religious theories should be taught in school - in a religion class. I think it is an important part of a well rounded education to try to see the view point of lunatics who have been killing each other for centuries in the name of their gods (which encompasses pretty much all races and religions).

Won't forget.

and don't forget to use the work fuck.......often.

Maybe try a girl who will not list senior prom as one of the high points of her year.

Marriage is not now and has never been a religious institution. A religious figure head may or may not preside over the ceremony, but the marriage is not legally valid unless it is approved by the state. If you are to end a marriage, you don't do it in church. You go to court and file divorce documents with the state. It is even possible for two people who don't believe in god at all to get married. edit to actually address something: the correct way would be to continue to leave religion out of it and remove government from it as well and let it be what it truly is: an agreement between two people that is unique at every instance.

Agreed that it was a good decision for you for a host of reasons and in your situation, I would very likely have done the same. I'm assuming the original poster is at the end of his first enlistment and is just starting to get his real adult life under way. Thanks for your service.

Do NOT do this unless you are willing to pack up your quasi civillian life and walk away from it. Personally, I never liked the reservists and never understood it. Do it or don't. - No offence to reservists. I had a number of peers get out and go into the reserves. Eventually they all quit. One got called to active in the middle of a semester. One got recalled and divorced.

Yep, and from right where your profile says you are now. I will say there is nothing secure about a USMC paycheck except it doesn't bounce and it sucks! For some, the grass is greener. Others find it is not and go back. I used the GI bill to get my degree - at night while working a full time job. The job and a TI rating paid for what little time I could spend jumping. To me, it was completely worth it. YMMV

Imagine my surprise as well. Thing is, it was a flat out lie, just like at least half of what any other politician says. This one just never made national news - I mean really, its only a few people and all. The only reason I know is because I work nearby. This didn't even make the local news! (I do listen to Fox News on the radio in the am - go figure). edit: this is off thread topic, but still telling. maybe this should be its own thread.

Hot off the press: Budget Shortfall Forces Renewable Energy Laboratory to Lay Off 32 Staff Tuesday, February 7, 2006 Golden, Colo. — The U.S. Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) reduced its staff by 32 people today to help meet a $28 million budget shortfall. Twenty-seven are regular staff, and five are temporary employees. Of the 32, eight were research staff and 24 worked in support positions. Congressionally directed projects, or earmarks, reduced the budget available to the Department of Energy for funding renewable energy and energy efficiency research at the Laboratory, leaving $28 million less in operating funds for NREL for fiscal year 2006. The Laboratory made substantial cuts in other areas, including travel, outside contracts and other operating expenses, before reducing staff. Regular staff affected by the layoffs will remain on payroll through Feb. 10 and will receive severance pay and job search help. Research programs affected by the layoffs include biomass, hydrogen and basic research. NREL Director Dan Arvizu, in a message to staff, said, "I appreciate how you have all responded to the challenges placed before us. NREL should now focus on the new opportunities and challenges that lie ahead." NREL is the U.S. Department of Energy's primary national laboratory for renewable energy and energy efficiency research and development. NREL is operated for DOE by Midwest Research Institute and Battelle. For further information contact NREL Public Affairs at (303) 275-4090. NR-0306

No worries. Judging by your wingloading, my stuff will probably fit, so if you don't get yours back and want to pick some stuff up cheap, throw me a pm.

How big are you? How big is your head? I have a bunch of stuff that has been sitting for years.

Probably right. And then if you also told them you could make light in a glass tube, get in a flying machine, jump out further up than they can see and float to the ground with a sheet over your head and land unharmed, my guess is they would club you over the head, call you a demon and burn you at the stake. While you're at it why don't you tell them women should be allowed to work and vote, black people should be free and Indians are really good people if you just get to know them. Give it a try and check back in.

Nothing but some stuff that some people disagree with. Hence, they label him a moron rather than say that they just disagree with him. -- Who's the moron here?--

Sorry, my bad. Very big of you to use someones death announcement to take a shot at his brother.

Bummer. I hope when you die, some person of no consequense won't call you a fuckin' moron because they don't agree with your brother. Condolences.

Of course. Just a guy doing what he has to do. Just like his American counterpart. Until we can effectively change our policy, we will not be able to change our actions.

My point is that you shouldn't be put on trial for murder and face life in prison for following those orders. -- We have to treat the disease, not the symptoms --