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> I mean if there was some major problem with the metal cables that was taking lives regularly but there isn't. Are you saying that we're adding something "new" (and this is a key word) to an allready working system that interracts in a predictable manner within it's average usages without having any *need* for it? Do we have any other inovations like this out there that are driven by other things than necessity? Hmmm, out of curiosity ... what do you think is driven by other things than necessity on wings and dolphin containers? Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

> The chances of your reserve handle coming out are slim. ... not to me ... my velcro is new and shit and my low profile finds his way out ... even on the exits. One might be tempted to say that the chances of having shitty Velcro on a new rig are low too but it happen to me. > Taking the emotional argument out of the equation Can I keep the imaginary argument that you've brought at least? The tazz devil? I like it. I have an imaginary tazz devil too. He jumps out of a Cessna and snag his spectra coord in something sharp enough from the door frame. He's name is Snagallot, Sir Snagallot and he likes to chew on Cessna doors. Which one has a bigger probability of snags Metal or Spectra? (this is not a rhetorical question, I have no idea, I haven't tested this and I hate using personal hunches) Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

This is genius !!!! Can I still this and propragate it under the freestyle publishing rights of BillVon? Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

Are you saying that if few lines are snagged over the reserve handle that has a metal chord and one is trying to cut the lines there's only one possibility (not probability) to happen and that's to deploy your reserve in the mess? I'll say that the possibilities are more than one and their probabilities depends on the mind set of the person, the cutting strength needed to cut a snagged line from the main (that is now over the reserve handle) and the strength needed to deploy the reserve with the metal thingy. If those strength are tangible not the same to our jumper and if the person is in the right mental state he will feel a higher resistance when he snags the metal chord and say WTF? and he would take a look to see WTF. Altitude left will only change his mind set. I also think that we're trying to kill a mosquito with a sledge hammer. I've never seen CRW guys having a cool container with all the cool gadgets. The reserve handle is rarely used. But I'm a person that jumped, I had my reserve handle getting out of the velcro and flapping around and I was fine. I've noticed only on landing and in that 1 min of flying nothing happen. It didn't felt wow this is soo bad because nothing happen in that minute. I've stop jumping till I fix the velcro but in my world having the reserve handle floating is not necessarily bad just something you want to avoid because it increases your chance of getting injured or killing someone. I've stopped jumping for this reason only. I have a small profile reserve handle with the metal thingy line. Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

I have wings, I like wings. Compared with my old dolphin I get this differences: - I can move and run more easy. My wings is articulated. - It stays (doesn't splip) on my upper body even when the chest strap is not routed. - It feels confortable on the upper body with a lose or tight chest strap. - I can arch even when I tighten my chest strap a lot. - I didn't put a spandex BOC and now I regret it. The B. Germain pilot packing method that is anti horse shoe doesn't help with my current BOC. If I extract my bridle at a certain angle (left) it will create a bump in the pilot chute. This worked pretty well on my dolphin. - I can't jump it anymore because my friends are telling me that I'm going to die or kill someone with the bad velcro I have on the reserve handle. The reserve handle poped out of velcro in freefall and now nobody whants to jump with me ... and I understand them. I wish I could fix the damn velcro or a senior rigger but no... I have to get to the master rigger for a velcro job. Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

When paraflite was up&running they had this HiGlide parachute for military service called PARIS (like a deployable paraglider). Along with technical data they published the graphs that you requested (polar curve, etc). Most of the data was done to show that on night jumps with 0 visibility there's a good chance of surviving the landing in brakes. About 3 years ago I was on the same quest as you so I've save them. Meanwhile paraflite teleported to zodiak and the web site is down. See the attachments. Edit to add: From the polar curve you can get some interresting information: - In no wind on toggles the greatest glide is around half brakes. This might be true for every skydiving canopy. - With increased WL the glide ratio goes down in full speed. This might be true for PARIS only. If you're interested in learning about the polar curve follow this guy http://www.jdburch.com/glidercd/aerodyn.htm Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

There's no real need for that formula in the world we live. It doesn't help you much. Even if you have the speed how would you use it? Let's say the forward speed in deep brakes is X. This number can't give you any real informations at all. At the end of the flare, which is a dynamic process, the forward speed is different than X. In the process of flare, depending on how you flare the canopy (stages, time spend in each stage and in between), you'll have different speeds (the AoA and the WL will increase diferently in diferent flare types). Even if you find the number X for forward speed at the end of the flare it only going to tell that is within your running speed. We all know this because we land parachutes in nowind, crosswind or downwind (hehehehe). However, starting running from a confortable harness is not that confortable, in the begining. Esspecially when your body is tilted backward by the canopy moving back at a higher AoA. Let's go on the other side and lets say that X is higher than your running speed. What then?

... and you brought the punch line of this thread!!! Thank you!!! yes !!!! Freaking amazing ... Interresting exit, in my head the people in the exit should have face the rotated 180 but this one seems interresting enough ... man 6 points ... I can't believe they kept the booties

It's a good start :) Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

Fingers crossed ... and thank you mister! Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

Do you know any videos or the name of that formation?

So we did this 3way hybrid with a hanger in full stand. We've launched the formation as a 3way star with the hanger holding to our chest straps instead our grippers. On exit, in 6 sec the formation turned to back from a mistaken exit. We were really stable with the belly to sky like a fish that swims odd, geeking at each other and amazed that we are stable in this configuration. After 4-5 sec of laughing we've collectively turned the formation to belly which seamed really easy to all of us and went ahead with our hybrid which was fun. But this mistaken exit made me wonder if we can begin a formation on back then move it while still attached to each other to belly and then back to back? There are possibilities there with back donuts and then belly donuts that might be interesting to play with. How can we do a good attached exit for a 3 way back formation? (I’m sure we’re going to mistake it into a good belly exit but might be still fun to try

After his prev experience this is not worrying at all. What the canopy means to you is something he will discover with more jumps. Now (at this point) canopy means only safe landings to him and it's totally fine. It's a good start if you think about it! I have a feeling that he is not taking it light - the canopy flight that is. I think it is something that always stays in his mind/world and you can see that from his actions/posts quite clearly

You know that Bill is reading from time to time DZ.com?

1500 because under 1500 I'll also go to silver instead of main. Makes things more easy. I also put the auditiv last warning on 1500. But that's just me! Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

Wow ... that's good. Take care buddy! See you in Skyventure Montreal. BTW we have 2 tunnels close to Montreal. There's an outdoor opened ... mwahahahahahaha mwahahahaha .... Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

Then my friend your next step is clear ... and near

Dude, After I've broke my ankle I've upsize to 230 and I had great landings and I've did more with my canopy. You're going to learn faster and you'll downsize when you're ready!!! Upsizing is a GREAT idea with only downsize:you're going to ground yourself more because of the high winds. When you're going backwards is really no fun (think scary)! Does it makes any sense to you what I'm saying? Edit to add: Ignore the 230 number. It's just a number that made sense in my frame of reference. The idea is upsize! When you get back ask for the bigger wing they got and ask them to tell you when the high wind is too much

A good landing [check] after the landing he is good (unharmed, walking). A good technique ... do you really want to promote that way of landing/flaring to other students as a good techique that they'll use on sport canopies and common used WL? He seems to be light 150 pounds on something like 280 or 300 sqft. Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

Hey Shah, I can relate 100% to what you are experiencing right now. There's is a device like the one you're thinking of but only better. You favorite instructor and a radio. Insist on it every jump!! Jump the same rig all the time until you learn to flare and pay him one jump on that rig to try it. Decide with him how long (2sec, 3sec) the flare should be and have him tell you when to start. This works!

Totally agree with ya. The same thing happens in longboarding. You have 3 ways of braking Bail Out (limited by your running speed) Foot Brake (at high speed it will turn in a speed wobble due to the change of center of mass when leaving the tuck position) and slides (which are hard to learn but they work like magic at high speeds). All of those methods are fun to learn

I see what you mean. Man, I was in the same mental state few years ago. Analyzing and doing things with my brain. It comes from my other passion (that now is fading ). My advice is to practice how to shutdown your thinking and just feel. If flare would have been unrisky you will never truly love landing when, YOU alone got it ... and not when you do it mechanically when a device tells you so. A good landing it's a great compliment for you!! Be honest to the experience of flare and you'll naturally shut down your brain. You'll also have to find ways to get rid of the fear that is in your head from the previous landings and B. Germain teaches that when you admiring you are not afraid. It took me some time but that is soo true and is soo easy to find yourself admiring the sky when you fly so it's all cool yo! Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

> fully commiting to the flare That is it!!! I've flew a Nav200 this weeked and when I've flared higher in the sky I've felt that .... man this baby needs a lot of strength to be flared. It hurt a bit. When I flare I rotate my arms sideways because I find it easier to do a symetric flare (it's a personal thingy). It also makes me feel more the presure of the flare. And I think if I'm half brakes in the sky (doing the cross) people will know from distance that I'm in half brakes wanting to separete from group so they'll do a dive. Anyway ... So this Nav had a lot of pressure in the flare. At landing time I didn't feel the high presure anymore. I was immerse in the flare that I didn't pay any attention to what my arms felt. I was feeling how my trajectory changed with every input, the ground passing fast under me and I was waiting for the moment when it feels right to start running. I love no wind days for that experience. I don't know if this story helps you in anyway but I think that flaring you can only learn by flaring. A radio will make your learning process safer. Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

Yes, that is totally true and can't be debated. However the skyhook is designed more for the probable problems that happens more often (spinning malfunctions, etc). This one has a small probability to happen to you/me/avarage skydiver. So the problem saved/problem made ratio is still good