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Skydiving, for me, is immersing and discovering in a honest new world, to which I connect in different way that this one and I share this new world with friends and a friend is not someone who flies well in sit but someone who knows why s-he's there, just like me. ... and I can go a lot more into the details of this world

Right engine failed. Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

I was not in the plane when it happen, my roomate was there and jumped out. The DZ is Parachutism Adrenaline from St-Jerome (a very nice place with great people) and the pilot can give you more information. I've 1st jumped from Navajo at parachutism Victoriaville 2 years ago. I sugest contacting them too. A bunch of nice people

I have like 50 jumps out of Navajo. It's a great plane. Is not your usual easy-to-lunch-4ways airplane like the twin otter or the caravan, you'll need to put a bit more attention in the exit but is great just because is not boring. There's a lot more wind speed at exit (100 knots) and this gives more control in the 1st sec (if you're ready for it ) Tracking jumps out of navajo are fun. We never had any problem with the horizontal stabilizer but we don't have so many wingsuits pilot there (they might be more affected). Inside is a very comfortable plane, climbs fast, descents not as fast as a twin or a caravan but fast enough to give 30 min back to back. My DZ started with Cessnas, then they bought a Navajo, this year a 2nd one and the business bloomed a lot. We also had an engine failure at 1500 feet which finished OK for everybody. IAD exit for students and bail out for regulars. Plane landed OK with 1 engine back to the LZ

Time has passed and now I'm in a state where I'm puting my attention into the future, into fixing this instead of understanding why. I'll buy soon a pillow reserve handle. I don't want this all back and forth and back and forth, I just want to fly my sabre2. Things didn't work out smoothly maybe because of me, maybe not but the only thing that I can now do to help someone else is to tell wings about this and give up on the metal handle. I'm focusing on my main parachute my sabre2. I know that there are different risks with pillow I don't know them all and probably nobody does but still there are people out there who get along fine with pillows. My appologies to everybody who felt bad from my actions and thanks to everybody who put time into this thread. Regards, Jean-Arthur Deda. Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

Hi Terry, I will not do that

Great Idea, I'll do this tomorrow

OK, I see, the free fabric is there by design. For me, this doesn't change the fact the the expected behavior (secure the reserve handle) is not there. I mean even if everything is OK according to the manual/design but it doesn't do what was suppose to do there's still a problem (an error), right? If the next rigger tells me this is OK according to the design so there's nothing he can do, I will put an elastic band around the MLW and reserve handle, paint it in ways that makes it hard to be noticed and jump it like that. I will make sure that the elastic band breaks at forces close to what is needed on Javelin and I'll prefer my ugly rigging than an official approved rigging that doesn't work. Anyway, maybe my logic has flaws but ... thanks for listening and thanks for the advices. Edit to add a section of the rc pocket: Black MLW Blue Velcro Orange Extra web Green reserve handle - around 1 cm diameter, low profile reserve handle. Only with velcro on velcro the force needed to peel the velcro is the same as on the cutaway handle. When I put the handle inside (all the way inside) the force needed to detach the reserve handle when pulled from the lower part is significantly lower than when pulled from the higher part. Maybe the handle is the problem? Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

Hi Everybody

> But you should have to push a bit to get the handle in the pocket. Not at all. It slides in really easy. I'll try on my friends rig. Thank you RiggerPaul you should contact the manufacturer and your dealer to see if they can help. That's the thing I've tried to avoid thinking that is going to take too much time. Funny how life showed me that shortcuts are not really working. Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

Hi RiggerPaul, Everything you've said is true. Is very easy to extract the handle from the velcro even with the pinky finger. If I compare the strength needed to remove the handle from the velcro with the strength needed to do the same thing on my friends rig I'll aproximate that mine is like 20% of the normal strength (even compare with the one I had on my dolphin). > Not all riggers are the same, that is true. But I don't personally know any rigger who would intentionally tell you wrong information. And here is where I'm lost too. I can't make any sense of this experience. > It sounds to me like there is a communication problem between you and your rigger - that he doesn't understand that you are having a serious problem with your rig. Yes and no. Yes because when I've left the rig at the DZ it was a busy day there (he's working in a tandem factory doing tandems) and I couldn't speak with him personally but I've shown to the main tandem packer (also a rigger but not a master rigger) how easy is to remove the handle. No because my roomate (a good friend who I trust) went jumping to this DZ and he spoke with this rigger and *SHOW HIM* how easy is to remove the handle from the MLW. They've argued about this subject. So the only way I can make sense of this story is to imagine that the rigger really thinks its safe to jump my rig and because we were newbies to rigging he thinks he's right and us wrong (which my be true, but then again 2 times in one day ... this didn't happen on my old dolphin). I will take my rig to another rigger and I will keep doing this until I get the same pulling strength as I had on my old dolphin or what my friends have on Javelin and Talon FX. I'm using my friends rigs as base line for the pulling strength. The only thing that I know in this moment is that I don't trust that rigger and I'll keep this lack of trust until I can find a way to explain his answer to me (I am wrong that strength is OK or he wanted to get rid of a problem that eats time and make more tandems). Are there any regulations or guide lines regarding how big the pulling streght should be? Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

I guess I'm just too angry

Look out guys, don't believe only one rigger! I got this new wings container that has some bad velcro and the reserve handle is finding it's way out of the velcro during free fall (belly). It happen 2wice. Brought it to a rigger and he goes to fix this it takes me 2 hours and the velcro is good enough to me, I've put it in and it stayed there. Reality doesn't agree with him. So trust not your rigger, take you gear personally, use the rigger as a way to tech yourself things what you don't understand yet and do realize that there are more than 1 riggers out there and each one of them see things differently. Some of them are riggers for the wrong reasons like this one that I know. I will provide the name on PM request because I think the every one of us should be hold and told when we do something wrong so that we'll correct and make this a better world. Regards, Jean-Arthur Deda. Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

It's confortable. True. The risers are closer to your head and I get riser slaps on camera jumps more easy compared with Javelin (for instance). I have to put my head down and I don't like that. The Free-Fly pilot chute is another thing that bothers me. It has 2 inch of line between the apex and the handle. I wish that the handle was built on top of the PC apex. Don't go for the cordura BOC. I don't like it anymore. I think spandex is better. Remember, this is my post so all these are my oppinions.

Now, that I'm seeing more of that experience, I'm not sure I have the skills to do something good with it. Thank you very much for the offert though

Thank you Ms. Wings, So they slow you down but ... how do they feel compare with the slick free-fly suits? Do you feel you have less control range or more or the same? (Criptical question, I know ) Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

Hey Guys, I got this stupid cotton belly fly suit with no booties and it gives me what it feels like a binaray range (lift or no lift). I mostly free fly with tunnel suits but the old-school 1Olav clown suit really atracts me

You don't have to popup to land well. I like the way you've wrote that Very visual! "/\/\" = bumpy ride, turbulance "|" = stall . |-. = me taking a leak Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

Don't you mean experienced? Psssst... We are as old as we feel Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

> Sorry but loving what you doing and loving teaching isn't enough . . probably necessary but not sufficient. Well, honestly, you can only validate this conclusion if you live it from inside because someone saying "I love doing this" doesn't necessary means that he does. If this is honestly true for you it means that you don't have the love of teaching and that's OK in my world ... but please don't say this like its the ultimate truth because is not and people who love teaching will be offended. And no, I'm not talking about the instructor who coached detached from behind the glass. Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

I disagree with you! I've wrote a big mail explaining my perspective but at the heart of it an instructor is good if he loves doing and teaching. A natural skydiver that is an instructor can invent new moves but he has to learn new teaching methods from the non natural ones(and this is not an easy process). A non natural skydiver can invent new teaching methods but he has to learn new moves from natural ones (and this is not an easy process). I see it as a balance: The easier it is for you to discover something new the hard it will be to explain it. The harder it is to do it the easier it will be to explain it once you've made sense of it. Notice that "something new" is the key word here to understand my perspective! I've also seen coaches, coaching from behind the glass and students flying mentis without needing it and doing less points than what they usually did in the box man. Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

> he difference between him and you? He realizes that the fact that he "got it" and I didn't doesn't make him a better skydiver/instructor/coach/person than I am. To me, this makes all the sense in the world. This is the quality every instructor should have. A natural skydiver is not a good instructor/coach/mentor even for others natural skydivers because (s)he can't relate to what they are experiencing when they don't succeed the 1st time they try something. Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

> Landed 10m from the peas. No way! This is cool! Did you had to put a lot of effort for this to happen? ... how do you steer? Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

Thanks for taking the time. Already contacted a master rigger and now ... now I'm waiting to find a ride Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!

So how is it to jump a round? Did it felt safe? Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls!